() Thien-Thi Nguyen ttn-mXXj517/z...@public.gmane.org
() Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:23:08 +0200
But, this code is buggy.
Silly programmer!
What is the bug (as discerned from this discussion)?
Why stop at one?!
What was the fix? What is the long-term fix if any?
Oh stop this condescending
I think we disagree on the bug. My sense is:
- Some of us don't believe that GHM is unwelcoming to anyone, and that any
reasonable attendee would feel comfortable and welcome here.
- Some of us believe that attendees should ignore being treated unkindly if
it occurs, and attend regardless of how
Sorry, I should have replied directly in terms of the code you'd written,
with the patches each group would want. My reader didn't show the code
in-line.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jim Blandy j...@red-bean.com wrote:
I think we disagree on the bug. My sense is:
- Some of us don't
I don't want to reopen the discussion, but at least this has to be
answered correctly, before we forget this and then one year from now
people find strange stuff in the archives.
On 2014-08-15 at 16:36, genium wrote:
Do you mean Free Software and LGBT movements share the same goals, and
should
On 2014-08-12 at 12:21, Luca Saiu wrote:
I'm surprised by all these attempts of avoiding offense at all costs.
Well, “offense” is not the right word. The correct words would be
“harassment”, “aggression”, “oppression”, “discrimination”,
“sexism/racism/lgbt-phobia/agism/cashism/class shaming”,
ref: https://fr.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pierre_Berg%C3%A9
On 2014-08-15 12:28, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
No, it doesn’t limit freedom of speech, because “freedom” of limiting
someone else freedom isn’t a freedom, but a power
Do you mean Free Software and LGBT movements share the same goals, and
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:15:50PM +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
Agreed. However having a policy that forbids _any_ humor that may be
offensive to _anyone_ (as it happens with the current policy) to
prevent a problem that never happened in the whole history of the event
Are you really sure you are in the 1%?
Depends on your definition, but among US taxpayers I have enough income
to be in the top 1%.
Well, it's not like the imagery hasn't been widespread even before,
including by Walt Disney with Scrooge McDuck :D
Yep :0/
And yet, big Corps (certainly not
It takes a constitution of steel, or a principled rejection of
relentless input from outside, for a woman to survive and thrive in
yesterday's hacker culture.
You are claiming that women are feeble persons with no means of
standing up and saying their voice in `yesterdays culture' and
Hi Bastien!
I love the icon!
Heh yes, Uncle John Gnubags is fun :)
I enjoy when someone makes fun of me in a gentle or educating way*,
and when a community does its best to include everyone by making it
clear that fun is fun, not harassment.
Agreed. However having a policy
On Aug 13, 2014 5:14 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote:
It takes a constitution of steel, or a principled rejection of
relentless input from outside, for a woman to survive and thrive in
yesterday's hacker culture.
You are claiming that women are feeble persons with no means
Let's stop wasting time on this right now and discuss it on Sunday,
as expressed a couple times already.
Thanks,
Sylvain
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 07:09:58AM -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
On Aug 13, 2014 5:14 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote:
It takes a constitution of steel, or a
On Tue 12 Aug 2014 12:21, Luca Saiu posit...@gnu.org writes:
I've always thought that what counts is the *intent* of the speaker;
http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/intent-its-fucking-magic/
By the way: if something is illegal then it's already prohibited and you
don't need any
On Aug 13, 2014 2:14 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org wrote:
You are claiming that women are feeble persons with no means of
standing up and saying their voice in `yesterdays culture' and need
your help in todays, you are also assuming that women are some perfect
beings that never make
Hi Jose,
I love the icon!
I enjoy when someone makes fun of me in a gentle or educating way*,
and when a community does its best to include everyone by making it
clear that fun is fun, not harassment.
I won't be there in Munich but I already miss it.
All best,
* I include myself in the
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On 08/13/2014 11:14 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
It takes a constitution of steel, or a principled rejection of
relentless input from outside, for a woman to survive and thrive
in yesterday's hacker culture.
You are claiming that women are
Luca Saiu posit...@gnu.org writes:
On 2014-08-13 at 23:13, Niels Möller wrote:
Luca Saiu posit...@gnu.org writes:
If by mistake I offend a listener, I will apologize.
Problem is, if you do that, and it happens to be the nth time the
listener is treated in a similar way, he/she won't tell
On 2014-08-13 at 23:52, John Sullivan wrote:
I think what you are criticizing would indeed be objectionable but is
not the way such policies work. Any disputes will still be resolved by
the event organizers.
I didn't consider the clause at the discretion of the organizers; I
have to concede
Luca Saiu posit...@gnu.org writes:
I guess you're correct: a person who is very easily offended won't be
willing to communicate.
I'm trying, but I'm probably not making myself clear enough. If a single
person is offended once at a conference, that's a kind of personal
conflict. I don't think
PS: for those interested, I may perform the talk off-event in
case we find a suitable place, we will see..
Well Iâd find better to directly see a talk which isnât based on
human discrimination/offense/aggression rather than still having a
potentially nasty thing happening
Alfred: very, very well said.
--
Luca Saiu http://ageinghacker.net
* GNU epsilon: http://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
* Vaucanson: http://vaucanson-project.org
* Marionnet: http://marionnet.org
Offensive or overly explicit sexual language or imagery
is inappropriate during the event, including
presentations. [...]
If I had to guess, I'd say that this is part of a long-term
conversation in the GNU community about what makes it a welcoming
or
At Tue, 12 Aug 2014 03:51:09 -0400,
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
PS: for those interested, I may perform the talk off-event in
case we find a suitable place, we will see..
Well I�d find better to directly see a talk which isn�t based on
human discrimination/offense/aggression
PS: for those interested, I may perform the talk off-event
in case we find a suitable place, we will see..
Well I'd find better to directly see a talk which isn't based
on human discrimination/offense/aggression rather than still
having a potentially nasty
You're trolling. Normally, I would ignore you, but I wanted to write
for the sake of others, who might think that you represent the
prevailing view.
Neal
On 2014-08-12 at 11:11, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
You're trolling.
No, he's not.
He convincingly showed that the policy as it stands prevents the kind of
harmless jokes we commonly use.
I remember another from an old speech by Richard, explaining what
technical knowledge is by a comparison:
*
It is always easier to attack the person than the argument.
Alfred M. Szmidt, le Tue 12 Aug 2014 05:06:45 -0400, a écrit :
It is not absurd at all, can you explain _what_ is offensive, exactly?
Can you make a rational, strict and consistent decision, based on the
currently worded policy, that does not change between conference
organisers as to what is
At Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:22:07 +0200,
Luca Saiu wrote:
On 2014-08-12 at 11:11, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
You're trolling.
No, he's not.
He convincingly showed that the policy as it stands prevents the kind of
harmless jokes we commonly use.
You call them harmless, because you are not
Luca Saiu, le Tue 12 Aug 2014 11:22:07 +0200, a écrit :
* knowing some marvelous sexual technique *is* technical information,
and educating people about it is good for society. Preventing people
from disclosing such information is morally unacceptable.
Sure.
But the GHM is not supposed
Alfred M. Szmidt, le Tue 12 Aug 2014 05:45:33 -0400, a écrit :
Yes, that's all blurry and irrational, but that makes sense, for
human relations; they're not programs with non-ambiguous meaning.
Then it would be simpler, more rational and less blurry, to simply
write:
Be Nice, if
On 2014-08-12 at 11:39, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Luca Saiu, le Tue 12 Aug 2014 11:22:07 +0200, a écrit :
* knowing some marvelous sexual technique *is* technical information,
and educating people about it is good for society. Preventing people
from disclosing such information is morally
On 2014-08-12 at 11:37, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
If you are offended that the hacking community is
becoming more diverse, that's your problem.
I'm not. Why do you imagine people being offended by everything?
Now that I'm thinking of it, your allusion about me not accepting
diversity *is*
Luca Saiu, le Tue 12 Aug 2014 12:21:54 +0200, a écrit :
I'm surprised by all these attempts of avoiding offense at all costs.
I've always thought that what counts is the *intent* of the speaker;
Err, well, unfortunately, no. Somebody feels offensed by what she/he
experiences, not by what was
Hey Alex!
Since I do not desire to be dennounced, prosecuted and finally
sanctioned or expelled from the event (especially considering the
physical pain and inconvenience of attending due to my very recent
accident) I withdraw my intention to lecture Introducing GNU Posh
Does Posh have a web page?
Neal
Does Posh have a web page?
No. The project is not public yet. I wanted to introduce it to the
folks at this GHM.
On 2014-08-11 at 19:37, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
From http://www.gnu.org/ghm/policy.html:
Offensive or overly explicit sexual language or imagery is
inappropriate during the event, including presentations.
Participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled
from
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