Re: [Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIAPhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Kevin Myers
On 8/6/05, Gottfried Zojer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But is anybody aware if there is somebody working on a project to bring
> Gimp to run with the AGEIA PhysX chip ( is there any documentation about
> how to use the NovodeX v2.2 SDK in combination with a Gimp plugin
> Thanks for any feedback


> On 8/6/05, "michael chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The GIMP performs 2D image manipulation, not 3D physics manipulation.
> None of the features in the PhysX chip apply to what GIMP does, so
> it's highly unlikely that any of the filters or plugins use this chip.
> He is probably referring to the 3D effects that can be done via plug-ins.


Michael's comments are not necessarily correct.  Varying intensities over a
2D area can in fact be considered as a 3D surface, and the mathematics of 3D
surfaces could potentially be quite useful for 2D image processing tasks.
In fact, such 3D surface mathematics are already being used by a number of
the plug-ins, even though many folks may not realize it.  Consider a
gaussian filter for example.  Having written several plug-ins myself, I also
don't agree with Sven's comments regarding plug-ins.  There isn't any reason
that I can see why a plug-in couldn't be written that would make use of
specialized hardware to perform some type of image processing.

I'm not familiar with the details of the AGEIA chip's capabilities, but
there are certainly other chips out there (e.g. DSP chips) that could
potentially be useful to speed up certain image manipulation tasks (e.g.
noise reduction, compression, other types of filtering).

s/KAM


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[Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread michael chang
On 8/6/05, Gottfried Zojer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But is anybody aware if there is somebody working on a project to bring
> Gimp to run with the AGEIA PhysX chip ( is there any documentation about
> how to use the NovodeX v2.2 SDK in combination with a Gimp plugin
> Thanks for any feedback

The GIMP performs 2D image manipulation, not 3D physics manipulation.
None of the features in the PhysX chip apply to what GIMP does, so
it's highly unlikely that any of the filters or plugins use this chip.

He is probably referring to the 3D effects that can be done via plug-ins.

If you wish to speed up the performance of The GIMP, get a faster CPU,
and more, faster memory.  A faster hard disk (maybe small, high-speed
SCSI disk) [or a partition of such a disk, used when the disk is not
being used for other activities] used exculsively for The GIMP may or
may not also improve performance.

None of these statements are guaranteed to be true, and are merely
speculation.  Take with a grain of salt.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Adam D. Moss

Leon Brooks wrote:

http://www.ageia.com/technology.html

I'm guessing that it will do math-intensive processing really, really 
fast, and that Gottfried is wondering if GIMP is structured to offload 
such easily.


All of the classes of problems that the chip solves, with the
probable exception of collision detection, resolve to fast
approximation of solutions to systems of linear equations, so
I imagine that this is what most of the silicon is dedicated
to.

This is of very limited use to GIMP.  A significantly better
question would be whether GIMP can leverage OpenGL hardware
for filtering and rendering, particularly one of the (increasingly
excellent and pertinent) schemes for pixel shaders.  (The answer,
incidentally, is 'no, not yet'.  I don't know whether this becomes
harder or easier in a GEGL world.)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Leon Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Would you mind to provide us with a little more information, such as
>> a link that explains what chip you are talking about and how such
>> hardware relates to GIMP?
>
> Google on PhysX says:
>
> http://www.ageia.com/technology.html
>
> I'm guessing that it will do math-intensive processing really, really 
> fast, and that Gottfried is wondering if GIMP is structured to offload 
> such easily.

He asked for info about using this from a GIMP plug-in so either he
misunderstands the concept of plug-ins or that is not his question.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Leon Brooks
On Saturday 06 August 2005 19:34, Sven Neumann wrote:
> "Gottfried Zojer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> But is anybody aware if there is somebody working on a project to
>> bring Gimp to run with the AGEIA PhysX chip ( is there any
>> documentation about how to use the NovodeX v2.2 SDK in combination
>> with a Gimp plugin

> Would you mind to provide us with a little more information, such as
> a link that explains what chip you are talking about and how such
> hardware relates to GIMP?

Google on PhysX says:

http://www.ageia.com/technology.html

I'm guessing that it will do math-intensive processing really, really 
fast, and that Gottfried is wondering if GIMP is structured to offload 
such easily.

Cheers; Leon

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Re: [Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

"Gottfried Zojer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> But is anybody aware if there is somebody working on a project to bring
> Gimp to run with the AGEIA PhysX chip ( is there any documentation about
> how to use the NovodeX v2.2 SDK in combination with a Gimp plugin 

Would you mind to provide us with a little more information, such as
a link that explains what chip you are talking about and how such
hardware relates to GIMP?


Sven
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[Gimp-developer] AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK(NovodeX v2.2 SDK) AGEIA PhysX chip physX SDK

2005-08-06 Thread Gottfried Zojer
Hallo to all,

Maybe a bit a off topic question.
But is anybody aware if there is somebody working on a project to bring
Gimp to run with the AGEIA PhysX chip ( is there any documentation about
how to use the NovodeX v2.2 SDK in combination with a Gimp plugin 
Thanks for any feedback 

Rgds

Gottfried
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