Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
Sven Neumann wrote: I wonder why you need both hands on the tablet. The pros that I have seen working with GIMP always had one hand on the keyboard and the other hand holding the tablet pen. I don't want to offend you in any way, I just would like to understand why using the tablet and the keyboard at the same time is not an option for you. This workflow may be ok with certain types of uses/users (for example photo retouching with a small tablet), but personally when I'm drawing (main thing I use the tablet for with GIMP) I want, as when I draw on paper, to keep the tablet aligned to my main monitor and keep a proper body/arm position. As I'm right-handed, the only places for the keyboard to be would be in my case between the monitor and the tablet (where I actually keep it) or to the left of the tablet. So the ESC key would be in either cases too far away and require tiring and unnecessary stretching of my left arm. Most tablets have usually a few (4-8 or more depending on the model, some may have less) shortcut keys and a touch ring/strip. So the left hand (or right hand for LH users) is usually not just lying on the tablet doing nothing but has access to a limited set of quickly and comfortably reachable keys. It's true that one of them could be mapped to the select none option, but depending on the user and/or tablet, this shortcut might have to be sacrificed for other, more used, ones. All this without even talking of tablet PCs, tablet monitors, or users who use their tablet on their lap like if they were drawing on a sketchbook. In these cases keyboard access can be rather inconvenient and thus limited to the minimum possible. -- SHIRAKAWA Akira ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
hi all, peter sikking wrote: what I am missing is a direct way to end the selection state. another thought: when selection masks get disposed frequently, this points at possible improvements in other places, IMHO. Stroking circles as an example: the task is finished once the circle is visible -- in my mind, but not so for GIMP, as i have to get rid of the selection afterwards. Genuine geometry tools shurely work better here than throw-away selection masks. Complex selection masks, on the other hand, like a hair cut-out, tend to survive in form of layer masks or alpha channels. I'm not really shure: are there other common workflows which build selection masks that are more complex than just a rectangle and still dispose the mask afterwards? regards, yahvuu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: I wonder why you need both hands on the tablet. The pros that I have seen working with GIMP always had one hand on the keyboard and the other hand holding the tablet pen. I don't want to offend you in any way, I just would like to understand why using the tablet and the keyboard at the same time is not an option for you. After some of these replies, just wanted to say that this describes *exactly* how I work. In addition to the actual drawing/editing I also need to track email and web pages, so I need to be able to jump between kb+pad and full kb easily (pretty much just drop the pen into my lap and start typing). I'd like to ask the folks who do not keep a hand on the keyboard: how do you save files? How do you enter text into GIMP? Do you not use modifier keys when selecting/drawing? I find that just about everything I do (in any drawing program) requires both hands - but I would like to hear more about how others work. Thanks, Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re branding ....
vabijou2 wrote: Christopher Howard-3 wrote: Its about having a product you aren't afraid to advertise. . As soon as I say GIMP, you can see the doubt on their faces, because they associate the word with being weak or lame. I agree with this. Many people shy away from using products that aren't mainstream, and have little to do with (or knowledge of) open source software alternatives. There is nothing about the current name that inspires confidence or denotes competence. I think that the time to change the name would be when a release comes out that has an option to run in a single window. This is a major change that people have requested for some time and this new configuration is sure to be discussed widely on the internet. That version could be called something like Gimp+. Over time this might become shortened in blogs, forums, etc. to G+, and then a later major release could use that as the name. The whole time, Wilber the mascot would remain basically the same to provide continuity. I'm no ad wizard so I don't claim this is the best naming strategy, but I think it provides an example of how the rebranding process could go. If the devels ever did come over to the other side on this issue, the coolest way to go about picking a new name would be a contest. For example, have a web page where people suggest a name or vote on a list of names. Then the devs could pick from the top 5. Imagine the publicity and recognition the project would get the moment word got out about the contest! It would be on every blog and news site in the FOSS universe! -- Christopher Howard http://indicium.us http://theologia.indicium.us signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] ceci n'est pas une selection...
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 09:29 -0800, Patrick Horgan wrote: Yea!!! Seems like an obvious idea now that I've heard it that would make tablet user's lifes more happy:) Although, if you think about why I would be wanting to get rid of the selection, I'm probably going to have to scale or select another layer or something that is also less than optional. If we could have two little buttons it would be much better. The first, the aforementioned selection canceler, and the second, something that does the same toggle as hitting TAB. I love the TAB keyboard shortcut, but to use it I usually have to set down my tablet and reach over to the keyboard, which breaks the flow. I wonder why you need both hands on the tablet. The pros that I have seen working with GIMP always had one hand on the keyboard and the other hand holding the tablet pen. I don't want to offend you in any way, I just would like to understand why using the tablet and the keyboard at the same time is not an option for you. One hand on the tablet and the other on the pen doesn't leave a third for the keyboard. Have to set down the tablet or the pen, and since I usually use my left hand for TAB, and for the tablet, it's the tablet that's set down. I have the tablet, a wacom, in my left hand. I imagine that I could set the tablet down and still use it, but it doesn't feel right. Maybe if I had a bigger tablet? The keyboard goes up to the edge of the desk, where would I put the tablet but holding it? You've really confused me Sven. My insecure side says maybe I'm using my tablet wrong? But seriously holding it works like holding a tablet for me--it's natural. Patrick Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
