Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
On Monday, November 5, 2007, 21:38:52, Richard Hirner wrote: What about an option somewhere in the GIMP menus: Open brushes folder which opens the appropriate folder with Explorer / Nautilus / whatever needed? That would be one solution. -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ There's never time to do it right, but there is always time to do it over. -- Weskimen's Law ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:21 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, November 5, 2007, 21:38:52, Richard Hirner wrote: What about an option somewhere in the GIMP menus: Open brushes folder which opens the appropriate folder with Explorer / Nautilus / whatever needed? That would be one solution. Better yet, just put it in the program files folder. This is the Windows norm for such files. Jernej, it was suggested here that the Gimp for Windows page could be updated to use the new Gimp.org look. Can I be of help with that? Michael ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
On Tuesday, November 6, 2007, 19:45:16, Michael Grosberg wrote: Better yet, just put it in the program files folder. This is the Windows norm for such files. No, it isn't. User's files belong to the user's profile directory - not just that, but you can't write to Program Files as a normal user at all (this is especially enforced in Vista, where even Administrators are normally running with reduced privileges, unless the program specifically requested to be elevated, and user clicked away the UAC prompt). Jernej, it was suggested here that the Gimp for Windows page could be updated to use the new Gimp.org look. Can I be of help with that? I won't mind - web design just isn't my forte :) -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. -- The Inapplicable Law ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
Hi, On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 21:55 +0100, Michael Schumacher wrote: There is a project called CREATE which does have a spec for resource/asset directory organization, I hope to be able to use it for the visible user stuff, at least. I suggest that you also have a look at the basedir specification at freedesktop.org. There are already utility functions in GLib to access these and other directories. If the XDG spec collides with the Create spec, then this collision should be resolved first. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
Michael Schumacher schumaml at gmx.de writes: My suggestion for GIMP 2.6 - and the only thing I feel able to contribute to - is the reorganization of the user directory. Not sure about the standards on Linux, but in Windows, if we take a hint from the likes of Adobe or Autodesk, user-modifiable program resources (such as: brushes, maps, plugins, gradients, etc) are either in C:\program files\appname\whatever or in C:\Documents and Settings\username\application data\appname\whatever. For photoshop, both are used - resources that come with the app are in the program files folder, and user-saved settings are in the application data folder. Putting resources in the user's my documents folder is bad form - this is a folder for *documents*, not resources. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
2007/11/5, Michael Grosberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Schumacher schumaml at gmx.de writes: My suggestion for GIMP 2.6 - and the only thing I feel able to contribute to - is the reorganization of the user directory. Not sure about the standards on Linux, but in Windows, if we take a hint from the likes of Adobe or Autodesk, user-modifiable program resources (such as: brushes, maps, plugins, gradients, etc) are either in C:\program files\appname\whatever or in C:\Documents and Settings\username\application data\appname\whatever. For photoshop, both are used - resources that come with the app are in the program files folder, and user-saved settings are in the application data folder. Putting resources in the user's my documents folder is bad form - this is a folder for *documents*, not resources. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
On Monday, November 5, 2007, 11:23:55, Michael Grosberg wrote: Putting resources in the user's my documents folder is bad form - this is a folder for *documents*, not resources. While I agree that putting resources in My Documents is a bad thing, the problem with Application Data is that it's a hidden folder, which normally isn't accessible. -- Jernej Simončič http://deepthought.ena.si/ Never say oops in the operating room. -- Law of Local Anesthesia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 08:02:10PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I agree that putting resources in My Documents is a bad thing, the problem with Application Data is that it's a hidden folder, which normally isn't accessible. What about an option somewhere in the GIMP menus: Open brushes folder which opens the appropriate folder with Explorer / Nautilus / whatever needed? -- Greetings, Richard ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
Hi, On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 20:38 +, Richard Hirner wrote: What about an option somewhere in the GIMP menus: Open brushes folder which opens the appropriate folder with Explorer / Nautilus / whatever needed? There can be more than one brush folder. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] GIMP 2.6: user directory reorganization
My suggestion for GIMP 2.6 - and the only thing I feel able to contribute to - is the reorganization of the user directory. Currently, the configuration (*.rc) and resources (brushes, scripts, ...) are stored into a .gimp-x.y dir in the users HOME. There are a few general problems with this approach, though: - the directory is hard to reach, either because it is hidden (on unixoid systems) or at a place that is hard to access (USERPROFILE on Windows). - while there's no big problem with the rc files being in a hidden directory (except for a few obscure options, we got an ui for them), this is bad for scripts, brushes, patterns, plugins, etc which are installed and modified by the user more frequently There are also some platform-specific problems: - on Windows, the actual user profile directory itself is almost meaningless to the user (and the administrator, as far as backups are concerned). The various subdirectories are far more interesting. * the configuration is expected to be in APPDATA\appname * all files the user cares about are (or should) be located in the My Documents (yes, I know that this is localized and can be obtained in another way) directory * some files should be located in Local Settings (usually excluded from backups) We do have some bug reports about it, providing suggestions and some background info. I'll need any information about any changes on Vista and about anything special on OS X. The proposed steps are: - categorize the existing directories into * hidden config * visible user stuff * local stuff (i.e. not part of roaming profiles) - decide about the best directory for each group, per platform - implement any changes necessary to have the files there (i.e. set the right paths during user install, provide new variables for the global rc templates, ...) There is a project called CREATE which does have a spec for resource/asset directory organization, I hope to be able to use it for the visible user stuff, at least. Regards, Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
