Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-30 Thread Tobias Jakobs
Hello! On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 00:30, Nathael Pajani g...@nathael.net wrote: David Gowers a écrit : These are dockable. And we can create as many windows as we want, with groups of these tabbed inside. This is customization. The main menu (http://www.nathael.org/Data/main_menu.jpg) should

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-30 Thread Nathael Pajani
Hi all! Tobias Jakobs wrote : On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 00:30, Nathael Pajani g...@nathael.net wrote: These are dockable. And we can create as many windows as we want, with groups of these tabbed inside. This is customization. The main menu (http://www.nathael.org/Data/main_menu.jpg) should

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-30 Thread Simon Budig
Nathael Pajani (g...@nathael.net) wrote: Right. Because I do not see why there are now two windows at startup. Yes, you pointed to the wiki explanation already. It seems you are all OK for this empty unuseful window at Gimp startup Please don't confuse your opinion with facts. This window is

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-30 Thread David Gowers
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Nathael Pajani g...@nathael.net wrote: Hi all! The number of lines of code has nothing to do with what is important. Gnome is a UI Window managers are UI GIMP is an Image Manipulation Program The User interface is here to allow access to it's capabilities as

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-29 Thread Martin Nordholts
Nathael Pajani wrote: You are making a comparison to the Linux kernel that is completely inadequate Point of view. The whole point was about stable interfaces, and saying to the users to move back to the previous version if they did not like the changes (what if kernel developers started

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-29 Thread Nathael Pajani
David Gowers a écrit : Hello Nathael, Hi ! Nice to have a constructive answer from time to time :) Removing customizability is best. I'm not kidding. Customizability is what happens when you can't figure out how to make the program behave sensibly in 99% of situations. Every point of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-29 Thread David Gowers
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Nathael Pajani g...@nathael.net wrote: David Gowers a écrit : Hello Nathael, Hi ! Nice to have a constructive answer from time to time :) Removing customizability is best. I'm not kidding. Customizability is what happens when you can't figure out how to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-29 Thread Guillermo Espertino
The more I read this, the more I feel that a solution like the present in Inkscape (wich is not precisely an example of a great interface) would be a one-time solution for everyone. Just to see what I'm talking about, open a new Inkscape session, go the the right edge of the window and drag the

[Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-28 Thread Nathael Pajani
Hi all, Yes, a long one once again. You may be accustomed by now. But I hate being shallow-minded. As the subject changed, I think it is interresting to reflect the change in the mails subject, but this is a follow up of the Re: [Gimp-developer] Dockable Dialogs Should be Dockable Everywhere

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-28 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Nathael Pajani wrote:   Sorry, but the GIMP user interface sucks and that urgently needs to   change. Has there been a survey about this ? http://www.mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2006/11/creating-user-scenarios-with-gimpteam.html http://gui.gimp.org/

Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp interface changes

2009-03-28 Thread David Gowers
Hello Nathael, On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Nathael Pajani g...@nathael.net wrote: Hi all,   It appears that your only problem is that things are changing. Sorry, but you   will have to get along with that. We are not going to stop ourselves from   changing the GIMP user interface to