Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
On Friday, 8 Jun 2001, David Monniaux wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Austin Donnelly wrote: But, we're talking about *paper* here. A4 for me is the same size as A4 for another user, surely? There are only a limited number of paper sizes in existence, and they should all be available system-wide. That's not true. Users have things like that fancy letter paper that I buy at Flammarion, which have weird sizes. They have stickers, envelopes, and other things on which they want to draw logos. Ok, fair enough. But even these fancy letter papers are standard sizes, otherwise they wouldn't fit on standard sized envelopes. The paradigm could also encompass screen dimensions, like 16x16 icon or advertisement bar at top of MyStartup.com. Good idea. Note that banner ads are also standard sizes, though. Why then do we have a per-user unitrc? I'm not sure unitrc is a good example. Again, it's something that could easily be system-wide, not per user. Gimp already has quite a bit of infrastructure for per-user settings, so its easier to do things this way. Maybe a sensible set of system defaults and allowing users to override them on the (very) rare occasions they need to. Robert's point about printable area differing from printer to printer is interesting; I hadn't considered that. It depends what you want to use the paper size for, I suppose. Austin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
On Friday, 8 Jun 2001, David Monniaux wrote: I've been trying to contact libpaper's author, but to no avail so far. libpaper is old (1996) and does not offer per-user paper formats. Furthermore it does not allow interactive modifications. But, we're talking about *paper* here. A4 for me is the same size as A4 for another user, surely? There are only a limited number of paper sizes in existence, and they should all be available system-wide. Maybe I don't really understand what you're trying to do. The PostScript Red Book has a section on media selection which describes how a PostScript interpreter picks the paper size/color/headed to print on. It might be useful. Austin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 19:37:38 David Monniaux wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Austin Donnelly wrote: But, we're talking about *paper* here. A4 for me is the same size as A4 for another user, surely? There are only a limited number of paper sizes in existence, and they should all be available system-wide. That's not true. Users have things like that fancy letter paper that I buy at Flammarion, which have weird sizes. They have stickers, envelopes, and other things on which they want to draw logos. They also want to be able to do things like be able to print out multiple copies of the same image on a page with crop marks. This would be fairly similar to printing out out labels except that the size would be user defineable. But this is page layout it is not image manipulation putting this in gimp would mean you couldn't use it for other apps. It would be more usefull as a stand alone program and leave gimp with just the basic print plugin it has at the moment. Being able to set the canvas size easier would be a boon though. i.e a cd sized (and shaped) canvas. The paradigm could also encompass screen dimensions, like 16x16 icon or advertisement bar at top of MyStartup.com. In the future: We could also add things such as background color of the paper, or a default letterhead - the user could then place his or her drawing according to the background color or letterhead. Why then do we have a per-user unitrc? David Monniauxhttp://www.di.ens.fr/~monniaux Laboratoire d'informatique de l'École Normale Supérieure, Paris, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer rob ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
Hi, rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But this is page layout it is not image manipulation putting this in gimp would mean you couldn't use it for other apps. It would be more usefull as a stand alone program and leave gimp with just the basic print plugin it has at the moment. please bear in mind that the print plug-in already has some of this functionality. We should at least contact the gimp-print people and ask what thoughts they have already put into this and what they have come up with. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 09 Jun 2001 00:47:28 +0200 rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But this is page layout it is not image manipulation putting this in gimp would mean you couldn't use it for other apps. It would be more usefull as a stand alone program and leave gimp with just the basic print plugin it has at the moment. please bear in mind that the print plug-in already has some of this functionality. We should at least contact the gimp-print people and ask what thoughts they have already put into this and what they have come up with. I've read through these messages (at least since I noticed the comments about paper sizes), and I'm trying to understand exactly what problem people are trying to solve. I'm not familiar with libpaper, so I don't know what this is all about. Could someone fill me in? The print plugin (actually, the entire package) does support custom paper sizes, at least on printers that allow it; some printers don't allow it. However, there was this comment: But, we're talking about *paper* here. A4 for me is the same size as A4 for another user, surely? There are only a limited number of paper sizes in existence, and they should all be available system-wide. The physical paper size of A4 is standardized; the area that can actually be printed on varies by printer. Again, since I don't know what the problem is, I don't know whether this is an issue. -- Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works. --Eric Crampton ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Austin Donnelly wrote: But, we're talking about *paper* here. A4 for me is the same size as A4 for another user, surely? There are only a limited number of paper sizes in existence, and they should all be available system-wide. That's not true. Users have things like that fancy letter paper that I buy at Flammarion, which have weird sizes. They have stickers, envelopes, and other things on which they want to draw logos. The paradigm could also encompass screen dimensions, like 16x16 icon or advertisement bar at top of MyStartup.com. In the future: We could also add things such as background color of the paper, or a default letterhead - the user could then place his or her drawing according to the background color or letterhead. Why then do we have a per-user unitrc? David Monniauxhttp://www.di.ens.fr/~monniaux Laboratoire d'informatique de l'École Normale Supérieure, Paris, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
David Monniaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been trying to contact libpaper's author, but to no avail so far. libpaper is old (1996) and does not offer per-user paper formats. Furthermore it does not allow interactive modifications. I think we should do something ourselves (maybe being compatible with libpaper for /etc/papersize). I don't know what file format to use: an obvious choice would be something like The gnome-print library already handles this for you. No need to reinvent the wheel. Federico ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paper sizes [request for comments]
Hi, David Monniaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think of coding something for paper sizes. That's what I propose: - a set of predefined paper sizes (ISO and US) - user-definable sizes - the default paper size is set according to the locale (country) where the user is. Any comments? How to do this cleanly? AFAIK there is libpaperg which does just that. Someone should evaluate if it would be useful for The GIMP and integrate it if it is. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
