Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
My Windows 8.1 system has a Windows/System32, presumably for 32-bit .dlls I would imagine that moving the .dlls from your 64-bit GIMP installation into the System32 folder might not be too successful. I would also suggest that the disgruntled user doesn't know what they are talking about. Kevin Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 20:07:16 +0300 From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com CC: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1 To be fair, we got one quite disgruntled user recently who said exactly this: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? Alex On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
Windows has generically used System32 folder for system DLLs (64-bit Windows keep 64-bit DLLS in the System32 folder). The 32-bit DLLs are stored in WOW64. So, there is no reason that Gimp, sorry GIMP would not work if DLLs are located in the System32 folder. Having said that, I personally think it's bad practice for software to store DLLs in System32 folder. Given Windows DLL search algorithm, software should keep their DLLs in their own folder or within their folder hierarchy. On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, we got one quite disgruntled user recently who said exactly this: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? Alex On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
I understand there are patches out there that make Windows 8.1 “look like” (i.e. behave similarly) to earlier (non-swipable) versions of Windows. These patches are to make upgrades to Windows 8.1 from Win 7 more palatable. Maybe they are creating this problem? Burnie On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, we got one quite disgruntled user recently who said exactly this: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? Alex On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
I don't know what patch you are talking about? There was shell available that provide the start button for Windows 8. However, Windows 8.1 does not need that since you can easily access your desktop from the home screen. Window 10 (currently in preview mode) will make this irrelevant. On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Burnell West burnie@icloud.com wrote: I understand there are patches out there that make Windows 8.1 “look like” (i.e. behave similarly) to earlier (non-swipable) versions of Windows. These patches are to make upgrades to Windows 8.1 from Win 7 more palatable. Maybe they are creating this problem? Burnie On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, we got one quite disgruntled user recently who said exactly this: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? Alex On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
On Saturday, April 11, 2015, 19:07:16, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? System32 is only intended for libraries that are part of the OS. Any installer that puts it's own DLLs there is broken. The problem here is that while gimp.exe and it's libraries are in bin\, the plugins are in lib\gimp\2.0\plug-ins\. GIMP does set the environment to have bin\ directory in PATH, but if there's a DLL with the same name as one used by plug-ins in System32, it'll take precedence (DLL search order on Windows is executable directory, System32 [SysWOW64 for 32-bit programs on 64-bit Windows], System, Windows, current directory, %PATH%). Since System32 has precedence over %PATH%, the plugins may stop working if an older version of library is installed in System32. For this reason, I suggest that once the plugin API is broken (GIMP 3?) that the plugins on Windows move to the bin\ directory, possibly with a different extension than .exe (or maybe a double extension - .plugin.exe?). This way they'll always use the libraries that ship with GIMP. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Machines should work. People should think. -- IBM Pollyanna Principle (IBM'S Incorrect Principle) ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? Regards, Mr G.Sunderland ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
Hi, my name is Sam and I have been involved in several projects ranging from art classes in public schools to local art communities around Austin. I am a Linux person and use Gimp for everything. I keep running across the same problem though. The name Gimp is offensive to people and suggests inferiority to Photoshop. In my experience, institutions would much rather pay for a professional product than teach a class to children involving gimps. Which is also inappropriately associated with BDSM sex. Either way it's looked at. A product called Gimp can't be used by a public or private school. Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions? Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a solid graphic manipulator. The bad branding is causing many people in my art communities around Austin to avoid Linux in general. What are the plans on renaming and success? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Sam Bagot wrote: The name Gimp [...] suggests inferiority to Photoshop. Yes, some people tend to overthink :) In my experience, institutions would much rather pay for a professional product than teach a class to children involving gimps. In my experience, institutions are all different. Some will refuse to use GIMP, some will rename desktop icon or even patch out the offensive name through out GUI, and many others will use it as-is. A product called Gimp can't be used by a public or private school. It can, it has been, and it will be. What are the plans on renaming and success? None whatsoever. Personally, I have no particularly bad feelings (as if they mattered) about renaming the app, but I've spent probably a week reading threads on this GIMP is a horrible name topic by now, with maybe a hundred new name suggestions, and I've yet to see one, just one sensible name replacement that wouldn't look like IT people trying to be funny. Alex ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
On 04/11/2015 06:54 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Sam. Sam Bagot (dsm...@gmail.com) wrote: Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions? Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a solid graphic manipulator. The bad branding is causing many people in my art communities around Austin to avoid Linux in general. What are the plans on renaming and success? Basically our approach is to redefine what Gimp means. In the vast majority of the world Gimp refers to the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, the alternate interpretation is unknown to most people in the world. Renaming Gimp would hurt our brand badly and is not an option. If it is a problem in your local area (some areas in the US typically) that is unfortunate, but we need to rely on your powers to explain that we're helping in getting rid of the derogatory interpretation of the term Gimp. There is no denying that in the US (the entire US, not geographically limited), the name Gimp sounds odd and has unfortunate associations that have nothing to do with image editing. I was told on IRC that the name is not Gimp or gimp but GIMP, Gnu Image Manipulation Program. If you always refer to GIMP instead of Gimp, the name is more obviously an acronym and some of the unwanted mental associations don't spring so easily to mind. It might help if GIMP developers and the GIMP website consistently use the word GIMP instead of Gimp/gimp (the website already mostly does use GIMP, but the logo on the home page is lower-case). If teachers and school administrators balk at the name, perhaps they could think of it as an opportunity for some sensitivity training. The English language is full of perfectly fine words that have unfortunate connotations. If we stop using words just because someone might be offended by the connotations, we will run out of words altogether. Best, Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
To be fair, we got one quite disgruntled user recently who said exactly this: This is Windows 8.1, As I already said, your installer puts all the .dll files in the bin folder. They won't work there. I have to move all of them to the Windows/System32 folder where they belong. Now, as some of team members pointed out, System32 sounds like he's on Windows 98 (with Windows 95 habits) rather than on 8.1. But is it correct to out .dll files there? And if it is, why would GIMP not work then? Alex On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp in private schools and educational institutions
Hi Sam. Sam Bagot (dsm...@gmail.com) wrote: Is there any thought on salvaging the marketing effort and renaming this product so that it can be taken seriously by people and institutions? Also, a big barrier to entry adopting Linux for people is a solid graphic manipulator. The bad branding is causing many people in my art communities around Austin to avoid Linux in general. What are the plans on renaming and success? Basically our approach is to redefine what Gimp means. In the vast majority of the world Gimp refers to the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, the alternate interpretation is unknown to most people in the world. Renaming Gimp would hurt our brand badly and is not an option. If it is a problem in your local area (some areas in the US typically) that is unfortunate, but we need to rely on your powers to explain that we're helping in getting rid of the derogatory interpretation of the term Gimp. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Windows 8.1
Yes. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Guy Sunderland guysunfish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. Simple question: Does GIMP work on Windows 8.1? Regards, Mr G.Sunderland ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
