Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution
Ok, good news, between the indomitable Partha and myself (mostly Partha, I was just testing), we managed to identify the problem and Partha was able to fix it and provide a working build. Fault finding eventually got us to running $ locale which on my machine resulted in LANG and LC_ALL being blank whereas Partha's machine offered LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL= After running $ export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 $ cd /ApplicationS/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS $ ./gimp-bin It came up in German and following $ export LC_ALL=gd.UTF-8 it came up in Gaelic. Partha diagnosed that The previous default you had was C which mean gtk will always provide you an English interface. Partha's current build has some fix that means that the dropdown now shows all languages and implements them correctly. I don't know what Partha technically did, perhaps he can comment on the technicaly solution in his build? Michael __ *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution
On 21.9.2014 at 2:22 PM Michael Bauer wrote: Ok, good news, between the indomitable Partha and myself (mostly Partha, I was just testing), we managed to identify the problem and Partha was able to fix it and provide a working build. Fault finding eventually got us to running After running $ export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 $ cd /ApplicationS/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS $ ./gimp-bin This means to have to set the language outside GIMP in a terminal window and seems to partially bring back the language black magic we removed from the build because it was unmaintainable. Partha, did you also try commit ef0ef921b8dcb49ee82acba6540b69e6617c65d9 I presented in my message from 14.09.14 at 3:08 P.M.? It works for me in an environment without access to the build prefix. Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution
No, you don't need to do that. The language black magic is not involved. I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x script and modified for my builds. So, I set the language in the script and you all set. The script obviously creates a local environment and so it does not interfere with the User Interface language. Without the language setting, GTK will set the locale to C and Gimp will not be able to change it. With a language setting, GTK is happy and Gimp is happy. Sven, no, I didn't use commit. I know what you did there but I don't think it's necessary. Thanks, Partha On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 8:45 AM, scl scl.gp...@gmail.com wrote: On 21.9.2014 at 2:22 PM Michael Bauer wrote: Ok, good news, between the indomitable Partha and myself (mostly Partha, I was just testing), we managed to identify the problem and Partha was able to fix it and provide a working build. Fault finding eventually got us to running After running $ export LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 $ cd /ApplicationS/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS $ ./gimp-bin This means to have to set the language outside GIMP in a terminal window and seems to partially bring back the language black magic we removed from the build because it was unmaintainable. Partha, did you also try commit ef0ef921b8dcb49ee82acba6540b69e6617c65d9 I presented in my message from 14.09.14 at 3:08 P.M.? It works for me in an environment without access to the build prefix. Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution
On 21.09.2014 15:22, Partha Bagchi wrote: I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x script and modified for my builds. We want that users can select the language in the GIMP preferences, though. -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX - solution
An they do as Michael mentioned at the start of this thread. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 21.09.2014 15:22, Partha Bagchi wrote: I use a script to launch Gimp and make all the libraries available. The script is inspired by Simone's 2.6.x script and modified for my builds. We want that users can select the language in the GIMP preferences, though. -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
17/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: In both cases, the App menu shows mixed languages: the primary one from System Preferences and the user selected one well? I?m still not convinced. Why? Every supported OS X language is automatically detected, if there?s a localization in GIMP. Jugding by the problems Parthia is having getting *German* to work on my version of Mavericks, I'm not even sure about that bit The current implementation mixes languages. GIMP mixes languages already, whichever OS/locale permutation you're one (except for English of course) since the brushes/textures are unlocalizable And I find it confusing to offer an application specific way to set localization because it?s one of the main concepts of OS X to have these settings in one central place, namely System Preferences, and that this system wide setting should be respected by all applications. Sorry, with all due respect, that is a shackle, not a feature for many locales and I suspect was implemented in OSX by monolingual speakers of English, French or German where l10n support is generally very good. Even bilingual speakers of larger languages do not like this aspect of OSX. It is arrogant beyond belief by an OS to assume it has the right to force a user into a particular linguistic behaviour. And finally, the comandline still allows switching langugage in both builds, yours and mine: ?LANG=your_locale open -a Gimp' Sure, if you're a developer. But normal users don't mess with the command line. We have this issue with Freeciv and the few users who have tried have generally given up, it's just uber-geeky for most and fairly inconvenient. Incidentally, that command does not work, at least not on my machine. Michael ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Yes, sorry, Dyirbal was the wrong language, I meant Pitjantjatjara actually but I had just read something (unrelated) regarding Dyirbal and got wires crossed in my brain. Michael 16/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: Certainly been an interesting topic, and I was moved by the above statement to read more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyirbal_language With five (5) speakers of this language, the mind takes a flight of fancy, imagining the Dyirbal tribal elders spending many a day and sleepless night bemoaning the lack of their language support in gimp. While we might be moving away from the days of bandwitdh filtering along a rusting fence wire, it still seems appropriate to have language specific programs. Owen ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Von: Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org But the really big problem is for locales not supported by the OS, many medium to small locales fall into this category. If someone localizes GIMP into, for the sake of argument, Dyirbal (one of the bigger Australian languages), then they are stuffed unless the application offers a manual UI language selection because the OS certainly doesn't offer Dyirbal. In fact 95% of the world's 6000 languages are not supported as locales by most OS. I hadn't thought about that, even. I wonder what the official stance of Apple is there (some carefully worded we care about market share probably). Simone, I hope this can convince you to not remove that code from GIMP? P.S. Simone, are there are any other changes like this, ones that greatly alter how your build works compared to a non-modified one? -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Simone, I hope this can convince you to not remove that code from GIMP? well ... we’re talking about two use cases: a) a user wants to use GIMP in some other language than OS X itself. b) a user wants to use GIMP in some language, that neither OS X supports, nor any other native (not from Linux ported) OS X application In both cases, the App menu shows mixed languages: the primary one from System Preferences and the user selected one well… I’m still not convinced. Why? Every supported OS X language is automatically detected, if there’s a localization in GIMP. The current implementation mixes languages. And I find it confusing to offer an application specific way to set localization because it’s one of the main concepts of OS X to have these settings in one central place, namely System Preferences, and that this system wide setting should be respected by all applications. And finally, the comandline still allows switching langugage in both builds, yours and mine: ‚LANG=your_locale open -a Gimp' Anyway, I’m thinking about it … P.S. Simone, are there are any other changes like this, ones that greatly alter how your build works compared to a non-modified one? Well, that depends on what you mean by „greatly alters“. If it’s something like: it works, whereas the non-modified doesn’t, there are a few (very platform specific ones, indeed) and of course, there’s one right-out-of-hell-patch regarding the save/export behavior. Here they are: working dock menus, standard OS X shortcuts for Hide, Hide others, Quit, Fullscreen, Print, Scanner support via Image capture, open location, locally installed help, preserving EXIF/IPTC when saving JPEG / TIFF, opening EPS, and some minor tweaks (as completely got rid of Carbon in all libraries, using system provided Python, Gatekeeper code signing, QuickLook for xcf, and a lot of plugins, a typical Mac user can’t compile itself) Regards Simone ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Well, for those whose locales are supported, that still removes user control over the UI language. Not a good idea. But the really big problem is for locales not supported by the OS, many medium to small locales fall into this category. If someone localizes GIMP into, for the sake of argument, Dyirbal (one of the bigger Australian languages), then they are stuffed unless the application offers a manual UI language selection because the OS certainly doesn't offer Dyirbal. In fact 95% of the world's 6000 languages are not supported as locales by most OS. It's actually fairly common to have a UI language selection in applications but I can see why users of bigger languages might miss it if they rely on force-locale. VLC, WordPress, GCompris and Opera (the browser) have one for example, Firefox offers single-locale downloads i.e. you download a specific language build, LibreOffice has locale dmgs you can install manually for specific locales. It's *particularly* bad on iOS (which isn't the issue here but just to illustrate) - although there ARE Gaelic localizations of Opera Mini and WordPress for iOS, users cannot access them because the apps do not offer such a manual choice and rely solely on force-locale. Michael 15/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: Indeed. It isn?t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don?t know about a native application having its own language selector. Regards Simone Karin ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:22:15 +0100 Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: snip localizes GIMP into, for the sake of argument, Dyirbal (one of the bigger Australian languages) Certainly been an interesting topic, and I was moved by the above statement to read more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyirbal_language With five (5) speakers of this language, the mind takes a flight of fancy, imagining the Dyirbal tribal elders spending many a day and sleepless night bemoaning the lack of their language support in gimp. While we might be moving away from the days of bandwitdh filtering along a rusting fence wire, it still seems appropriate to have language specific programs. Owen ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Am 11.09.14 um 16:33 schrieb scl: Are more people experiencing this effect? Hello, no answers? Is there anybody else experiencing the effect that the build from http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ shows only two languages in the language selector listbox? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Hi Sven, I’ve downloaded your build and I’m experiencing the exact same issue. The language selector only shows system language and en_US. And it seems to me, that your build is picking up languages from OS X System Preferences, and even uses all other languages in System Preferences as fallback, if the primary one is not complete (as for Gaeilge) BTW, I’ve never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does. Regards Simone Am 14.09.2014 um 08:13 schrieb scl scl.gp...@gmail.com: Am 11.09.14 um 16:33 schrieb scl: Are more people experiencing this effect? Hello, no answers? Is there anybody else experiencing the effect that the build from http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ shows only two languages in the language selector listbox? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list — stay hungry, stay foolish ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Hi Sven, I’ve downloaded your build and I’m experiencing the exact same issue. The language selector only shows system language and en_US. thank you for reporting back. It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried both - revoking read permissions from the original build prefix and - renaming the original build prefix. In both cases I only see 'System language' and 'English (en_US)' now in the listbox. Reverting these changes brings the other languages back immediately (without restarting GIMP). This would also explain to me why Partha and users of his build have the same issue (see his mail from 11.09.14 12:35 PM). I'm just trying to make the code in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c?h=gimp-2-8#n124 relocatable. Perhaps that would fix it. And it seems to me, that your build is picking up languages from OS X System Preferences, and even uses all other languages in System Preferences as fallback, if the primary one is not complete (as for Gaeilge) Oh, where in the code did you see this? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Am 14.09.14 at 11:40 AM scl wrote: On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: The language selector only shows system language and en_US. thank you for reporting back. It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried both - revoking read permissions from the original build prefix and - renaming the original build prefix. In both cases I only see 'System language' and 'English (en_US)' now in the listbox. Reverting these changes brings the other languages back immediately (without restarting GIMP). This would also explain to me why Partha and users of his build have the same issue (see his mail from 11.09.14 12:35 PM). I'm just trying to make the code in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c?h=gimp-2-8#n124 relocatable. Perhaps that would fix it. Resolved fixed. commit ef0ef921b8dcb49ee82acba6540b69e6617c65d9 Author: Sven Claussner sclauss...@src.gnome.org Date: Sun Sep 14 14:43:58 2014 +0200 Bug 721482 - Make language codes relocatable Although all translation files are in the OS X bundle GIMP didn't recognize other languages than the system's language and English (en_US) on OS X on other machines. It searched the language code file from the iso-codes package (iso_639.xml) in the build prefix which is usually not existing on other machines. This commit puts that file into the OS X bundle and makes GIMP search for it there. app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c | 2 +- build/osx/gimp-2.8-python.bundle | 2 ++ build/osx/gimp-master-python.bundle| 2 ++ 3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) --- I tested under the circumstances as shown above to reproduce the fancy effect and it workes fine here. BTW, I’ve never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does. Well, that's indeed a point why we provide an extra language selector while the user can already set the language in the operating system resp. desktop environment. This is questionable not only on OS X, but on all systems. Especially on OS X we currently have the effect that the language of most of the UI is set in our selector, but the language of system specific menu items from the App menu can only be set in the OS X' system preferences. The convenient way for users to set the language consistently is to use 'System language' in GIMP, set the desired language as primary language in the system's preferences and restart GIMP. From a technical point of view the language information is something that has to be provided by the application framework to make sure all applications based on it behave the same. Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Am 14.09.2014 um 15:08 schrieb scl scl.gp...@gmail.com: BTW, I’ve never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does. Well, that's indeed a point why we provide an extra language selector while the user can already set the language in the operating system resp. desktop environment. This is questionable not only on OS X, but on all systems. Especially on OS X we currently have the effect that the language of most of the UI is set in our selector, but the language of system specific menu items from the App menu can only be set in the OS X' system preferences. I’m not quite sure if I understand you correctly. Do you mean, that without the language chooser code, the language of some App menu items and other menu items is different? This does _not_ happen with my build. As I’ve written, my build only relies on System Preferences. I’ve completely disabled the language chooser code and of course have added some patches to read System Preferences. And, well, all App menu items and all other menu items show up in the same language, I’ve chosen in System Preferences. Well, if some strings are not translated in e.g. Gaelige, then the second language setting in System Preferences is chosen, then the third and so on. The convenient way for users to set the language consistently is to use 'System language' in GIMP, set the desired language as primary language in the system's preferences and restart GIMP. Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well. From a technical point of view the language information is something that has to be provided by the application framework to make sure all applications based on it behave the same. And AFAIK, even your build should now that GIMP uses gtk-mac-integration word without the language selector. I not, try my patches and rewritten library. Regards Simone — stay hungry, stay foolish ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well. It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language. This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences? -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 14 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de mailto:schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well. It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language. This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences? Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector. Regards Simone Karin ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language. This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences? Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector. This selector has been added to GIMP to address this issue, as your system is set to language X, therefor you apparently want to use your apps in this language didn't exactly turn out to be what all users want on the Windows platforms, at least. And it isn't actually easier on Linux platforms, either, users there might just have been more versed with eh, I'll just run it as LANG=mylanguage gimp ). -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
I don't think it's a Windows thing. :) On Windows, the language is handled in app/language.c which all works out nicely at the moment (even if it's a hack) On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language. This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences? Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector. This selector has been added to GIMP to address this issue, as your system is set to language X, therefor you apparently want to use your apps in this language didn't exactly turn out to be what all users want on the Windows platforms, at least. And it isn't actually easier on Linux platforms, either, users there might just have been more versed with eh, I'll just run it as LANG=mylanguage gimp ). -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Simone, It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language. If you are packaging the iso-codes, you should be able to see and set the default Gimp language without changing system language. Thanks, Partha On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Simone Karin Lehmann sim...@lisanet.de wrote: On 14 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.de mailto:schum...@gmx.de wrote: On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote: Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well. It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language. This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences? Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector. Regards Simone Karin ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Am 14.09.2014 um 23:27 schrieb Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com: Simone, It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language. yes, I know. I meant that my builds don’t support setting the locale within GIMP. And, I disabled the code intentionally. If you are packaging the iso-codes, you should be able to see and set the default Gimp language without changing system language. I don’t see a need for this. Two UI elements to set the application localization are IMO more confusing than useful and don’t confirm to the OS X guidelines (ok, ok, I know, GIMP is just a port not an OS X application, and there should be as few as possible platform dependent code). Nevertheless, IMO native Mac applications should respect the user’s settings in System Preferences, and if you’re really such an advanced user who want’s to run GIMP in a different locale than your system locale, you can still do this, as Michael said, in ‚the Linux way‘ via Terminal by typing LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 open -a GIMP And, if I understand Sven correctly, you’ll get a mixture of languages in the App menu, if the system preferred language differs from GIMP’s language selector. So it’s still a hack. BTW, this is just the same as if you use the above command line. You’ll get the same mixture of languages. Ok, you have an UI element for this whereas I use the command line… ;-) (SCNR) Regards Simone Karin ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
I have two locales under System Preferences Language Region: Gàidhlig (Scottish Gaelic) English I've tried a few other pemutations and there's some odd stuff going on. First, no matter which locale I set, it only ever shows 2 in the dropdown. I tried German, which brings up GIMP in German but still only offers System default English in the GIMP settings. Now here's where it gets weird. I decided to add Gaeilge (Irish) and put it above Gàidhlig in the OS settings: Gaeilge (ga) Gàidhlig (gd) English (en) When I restart GIMP, it comes up in Gaelic (gd)! The only way I managed to get it to fire up in Irish was by removing gd from the OS locales list. Irish is not translated to a high % but still I don't see why it should bring up gd if you set ga above gd. I'm on 10.9.4 by the way, just in case that's important. Michael PS: sorry for the moan, I can see now that this is fortunately not intentionally like this, I apologise for over-reacting a bit, it just happens too often that unsupported or less supported locales like ours are 'forgotten' 12/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect? Kind regards Sven -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
I updated 2.8.14 McGimp last night to include the language codes. Could you please re-download and test that your language (in fact all languages) are visible to you? Thanks, Partha On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: I have two locales under System Preferences Language Region: Gàidhlig (Scottish Gaelic) English I've tried a few other pemutations and there's some odd stuff going on. First, no matter which locale I set, it only ever shows 2 in the dropdown. I tried German, which brings up GIMP in German but still only offers System default English in the GIMP settings. Now here's where it gets weird. I decided to add Gaeilge (Irish) and put it above Gàidhlig in the OS settings: Gaeilge (ga) Gàidhlig (gd) English (en) When I restart GIMP, it comes up in Gaelic (gd)! The only way I managed to get it to fire up in Irish was by removing gd from the OS locales list. Irish is not translated to a high % but still I don't see why it should bring up gd if you set ga above gd. I'm on 10.9.4 by the way, just in case that's important. Michael PS: sorry for the moan, I can see now that this is fortunately not intentionally like this, I apologise for over-reacting a bit, it just happens too often that unsupported or less supported locales like ours are 'forgotten' 12/09/2014 13:00, sgrìobh gimp-developer-list-requ...@gnome.org: That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect? Kind regards Sven -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.xn--igidhlig-0ya.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp- developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
The outcome is still the same, only 2 locales shown (Default and English) and it comes up in English either way :/ Michael 12/09/2014 13:33, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: I updated 2.8.14 McGimp last night to include the language codes. Could you please re-download and test that your language (in fact all languages) are visible to you? Thanks, Partha -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
In your tmp folder, there should be a file called rungimp-2.8-2014-series-of-numbers.log. Can you tell me if you seeing any errors in this log other than dbus? Thanks, Partha On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: The outcome is still the same, only 2 locales shown (Default and English) and it comes up in English either way :/ Michael 12/09/2014 13:33, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: I updated 2.8.14 McGimp last night to include the language codes. Could you please re-download and test that your language (in fact all languages) are visible to you? Thanks, Partha -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Here's all of the log: Executing Gimp 2.8 at DATE: 2014-09-12 TIME: 13:44:40 Dir is /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS Appdir is /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app Could not remove /tmp/pb2.8 ls: /tmp/pb2.8: No such file or directory Linking /Applications/Gimp-2.8.app to /pb2.8 ... ... Done Could not rm /tmp/lib ls: /tmp/lib: No such file or directory Hello - About to run Gimp - Standby CWD is /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS Strip out the argument added by the OS... Cannot spawn a message bus without a machine-id: Unable to load /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or /etc/machine-id: Failed to open file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id': No such file or directory (gimp-bin:288): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class 'GeglConfig' has no property named 'cache-size' Michael 12/09/2014 14:17, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: In your tmp folder, there should be a file called rungimp-2.8-2014-series-of-numbers.log. Can you tell me if you seeing any errors in this log other than dbus? Thanks, Partha -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Hi Partha, Thanks for that... it installed ok but I feel like I'm about to go through a why-oh-why moment (not your fault). So I installed it, it comes up in English, so I go the the UI option where, hooray, I find a Language option. Immediately followed by a groan because it offers me System Language and English. What is a person supposed to do if they're on a locale which Apple doesn't support? Like 99% of the world's languages... And I'm also dismayed that in spite of my many emails to the list where I tried to make triple sure that all was going smoothly for .14, we've hit this stumbling block. Really not happy right now. I've googled around a bit but I *really* can't promote this to people and tell them to mess around with shell scripts. This shouldn't happen and there is no need to mess with any script. I will check into it. But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me? Yes, the fix is quite easy if there is a problem. Michael 11/09/2014 01:05, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: You can download a build from my page www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite. If you do, let me know if you have issues. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Hi Michael Thanks. On my slightly older MacBook (which has a version of OSX which does not support gd at all) I have the same problem, only [System language] and [English] are on offer. I borrowed a friend's newer Mac where you can set gd as the locale (though it doesn't actually change the UI language), GIMP does now come up in Gaelic. However, I went to check the Settings and oddly enough (in Gaelic), it offers me [System language] and [Gaelic (en-US)]. Two questions, why - since there IS a manual UI language selection menu - are there only 2 locales on offer, default and English? Surely the mo, po or whatever format files GIMP uses to provide the UI are not *that* large that they cannot be included? And why is Gaelic shown as [Gaelic (en-US)]? Minor bug possibly? The toolbars are not visible when the program starts but when I hit the yellow button to minimize the GIMP window, it minimizes and (automatically) maximizes again but this time with the toolbars on top. Everything else seems to be working but I'll play with it a bit more. Michael 11/09/2014 01:59, sgrìobh Michael Schumacher: We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available athttp://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Michael B., I am confused. Which version of OSX do you have? My version supports Snow Leopard to Yosemite. I just checked and here is a screenshot from 2.8.14 (I am running Yosemite): http://www.partha.com/images/screenshots/Gimp-2.8.14-Language-screenshot.jpg Can you send me a screenshot or tell me how it looks on your system? Also, it's possible your system does not have the iso-codes necessary for the language display. If so, we can easily (I think) fix this. If you are using my version, you can also leave me a message on my website or also post on gimpchat.com. Thanks, Partha On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Hi Michael Thanks. On my slightly older MacBook (which has a version of OSX which does not support gd at all) I have the same problem, only [System language] and [English] are on offer. I borrowed a friend's newer Mac where you can set gd as the locale (though it doesn't actually change the UI language), GIMP does now come up in Gaelic. However, I went to check the Settings and oddly enough (in Gaelic), it offers me [System language] and [Gaelic (en-US)]. Two questions, why - since there IS a manual UI language selection menu - are there only 2 locales on offer, default and English? Surely the mo, po or whatever format files GIMP uses to provide the UI are not *that* large that they cannot be included? And why is Gaelic shown as [Gaelic (en-US)]? Minor bug possibly? The toolbars are not visible when the program starts but when I hit the yellow button to minimize the GIMP window, it minimizes and (automatically) maximizes again but this time with the toolbars on top. Everything else seems to be working but I'll play with it a bit more. Michael 11/09/2014 01:59, sgrìobh Michael Schumacher: We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available athttp://download.gimp.org/ pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
11/09/2014 11:35, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: Michael B., I am confused. Which version of OSX do you have? My version supports Snow Leopard to Yosemite. My older machine is on Leopard, the newer one is running Mavericks I just checked and here is a screenshot from 2.8.14 (I am running Yosemite): http://www..partha.com/images/screenshots/Gimp-2.8.14-Language-screenshot.jpg http://www.partha.com/images/screenshots/Gimp-2.8.14-Language-screenshot.jpg I'm not seeing that on either, I haven't got the Leopard machine here but I essentially see the same on Leopard as I'm seeing on Mavericks: http://www.akerbeltz.org/sealach/UI.png Can you send me a screenshot or tell me how it looks on your system? Also, it's possible your system does not have the iso-codes necessary for the language display. If so, we can easily (I think) fix this. I doubt that any OSX (even Leopard) would struggle with displaying de or fr .. but where would I check that? If you are using my version, you can also leave me a message on my website or also post on gimpchat.com http://gimpchat.com. The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale Leopard: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, gd cannot be selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: Not tried Michael -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote: The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Gimp relies on the pkg-isocodes data files to generate the language list correctly. Patha: Please build and ship pkg-isocodes with your gimp binaries. That should fix this issue. Sources are available here: http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/ If you already do ship pkg-isocodes (I didn't check), then this is an issue with finding those files. -- drawoc On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM, scl scl.gp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote: The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
I do package them with Windows where I think it's needed. Didn't have the need before on Macs. I will add them to the Mac version as well in case they are missing from a user's machine. Thanks, Partha On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Michael Henning dra...@darkrefraction.com wrote: Gimp relies on the pkg-isocodes data files to generate the language list correctly. Patha: Please build and ship pkg-isocodes with your gimp binaries. That should fix this issue. Sources are available here: http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/ If you already do ship pkg-isocodes (I didn't check), then this is an issue with finding those files. -- drawoc On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM, scl scl.gp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote: The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks: Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect? Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
You can download a build from my page www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite. If you do, let me know if you have issues. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: Hiya Anyone heard anything about a build of .14 for OSX? Been checking the downloads page but nothing there yet, wondering if I'm looking in the wrong place? michael -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.xn--igidhlig-0ya.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp- developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
Hi Partha, Thanks for that... it installed ok but I feel like I'm about to go through a why-oh-why moment (not your fault). So I installed it, it comes up in English, so I go the the UI option where, hooray, I find a Language option. Immediately followed by a groan because it offers me System Language and English. What is a person supposed to do if they're on a locale which Apple doesn't support? Like 99% of the world's languages... And I'm also dismayed that in spite of my many emails to the list where I tried to make triple sure that all was going smoothly for .14, we've hit this stumbling block. Really not happy right now. I've googled around a bit but I *really* can't promote this to people and tell them to mess around with shell scripts. But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me? Michael 11/09/2014 01:05, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi: You can download a build from my page www.partha.com http://www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite. If you do, let me know if you have issues. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX
On 11.9.2014 at 2:59 AM Michael Schumacher wrote: On September 11, 2014 2:34:25 AM CEST, Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org wrote: But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me? We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available at http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing. As Michael Schumacher wrote, I've made a 2.8.14 build right from the sources, i.e. with no additional tweaks, with just the standard set of plug-ins and with all the languages GIMP usually ships. It requires a 64 bit machine (Mac from 2006 and later, Mac mini from 2007 and later) and at least OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) I'm currently busy with trying to include the user manual and hopefully I can get the build done for older OS X versions, too. In the meantime please be a bit patient and good luck with the preview build. I'd be grateful for feedback if any blocking(!) bugs are found (and of course for positive feedback, too ;-) ). Kind regards Sven ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)
Just following up on this. Had a quick conversation about this on irc with mitch. apLundell reported the same problem. We both ran a trace in instruments and came up with these: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndnxmp15zngf280/Instruments2.trace.zip http://andylundell.com/temp/Gimp2.8.6_Problem_ChangingLayerVisibility.trace.zip In both cases the plateau in the timeline is the toggling of visibility on a layer (in my case, it's just a single layer visibility being toggled). This happens in both Partha and Simone's builds... OSX 10.7.5 (and 10.7.4 in my case). On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Partha Bagchi parth...@gmail.com wrote: It's probably a combination of cairo/pixman/gdk_pixbuff that is interacting weirdly with Pat's Mac. I'll test it with him to see what the cause is. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Henning dra...@darkrefraction.com wrote: The warning that said 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. isn't related. That's just there because of the version of gegl in use by the builds. Because 2.8 doesn't use gegl for most operations, that wouldn't cause your issue. Sorry, I don't know what's causing this. -- drawoc On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: To follow up, in case it helps anyone out, here is the output from the terminal when running the app: Pats-Air:MacOS pat$ ./Gimp Dir is . Appdir is /Users/pat/Downloads/Gimp-2.8.app removed /tmp/pb2.8 folder removed tmp/lib folder Hello - About to run Gimp - Standby CWD is /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS pwd is /Users/pat Strip out the argument added by the OS... Cannot spawn a message bus without a machine-id: Unable to load /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or /etc/machine-id: Failed to open file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id': No such file or directory (gimp-2.8:6567): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class 'GeglConfig' has no property named 'cache-size' /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:18: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-error-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:22: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-info-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:26: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-question-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:30: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-warning-64.png ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkWindow) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkInvisible) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkObject) ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' The only part that looks possibly suspect/related to me is the GObject-WARNING about 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. Could this be related? On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wasn't sure if I should post here, but I figure it can't hurt. I'm running OSX 10.7.5 (Lion) w/ 4GB ram, and have been primarily using two builds from Simone and Partha. (Partha's 2.8.6 build, and the latest from Simone for Lion 2.8.4 - 2.8.4p2) What I'm seeing is an incredibly slow screen/canvas redraw when doing actions that affect the entire layer. For instance, here is a small screencast of turning a layer on and off in my system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLlOJY7ZJs I've tried setting the tile cache size from 3GB to 1GB, and even down to 512MB, but it makes no difference. I've found previous posts around about color management possibly being the culprit, but I've tried it both with/without color management enabled, and it appears to make no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that if I zoom into a much smaller region, things speed up quickly. (It's actually faster to zoom in to about 300%, toggle a layer visibility or adjust curves, then zoom out - where the effect has been applied across the entire image layer, as opposed to trying to do while viewing the entire image). I saw a changelog that mentioned this might be fixed, so I'm worried I might be doing something wrong... -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)
The warning that said 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. isn't related. That's just there because of the version of gegl in use by the builds. Because 2.8 doesn't use gegl for most operations, that wouldn't cause your issue. Sorry, I don't know what's causing this. -- drawoc On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: To follow up, in case it helps anyone out, here is the output from the terminal when running the app: Pats-Air:MacOS pat$ ./Gimp Dir is . Appdir is /Users/pat/Downloads/Gimp-2.8.app removed /tmp/pb2.8 folder removed tmp/lib folder Hello - About to run Gimp - Standby CWD is /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS pwd is /Users/pat Strip out the argument added by the OS... Cannot spawn a message bus without a machine-id: Unable to load /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or /etc/machine-id: Failed to open file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id': No such file or directory (gimp-2.8:6567): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class 'GeglConfig' has no property named 'cache-size' /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:18: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-error-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:22: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-info-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:26: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-question-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:30: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-warning-64.png ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkWindow) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkInvisible) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkObject) ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' The only part that looks possibly suspect/related to me is the GObject-WARNING about 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. Could this be related? On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wasn't sure if I should post here, but I figure it can't hurt. I'm running OSX 10.7.5 (Lion) w/ 4GB ram, and have been primarily using two builds from Simone and Partha. (Partha's 2.8.6 build, and the latest from Simone for Lion 2.8.4 - 2.8.4p2) What I'm seeing is an incredibly slow screen/canvas redraw when doing actions that affect the entire layer. For instance, here is a small screencast of turning a layer on and off in my system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLlOJY7ZJs I've tried setting the tile cache size from 3GB to 1GB, and even down to 512MB, but it makes no difference. I've found previous posts around about color management possibly being the culprit, but I've tried it both with/without color management enabled, and it appears to make no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that if I zoom into a much smaller region, things speed up quickly. (It's actually faster to zoom in to about 300%, toggle a layer visibility or adjust curves, then zoom out - where the effect has been applied across the entire image layer, as opposed to trying to do while viewing the entire image). I saw a changelog that mentioned this might be fixed, so I'm worried I might be doing something wrong... -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)
It's probably a combination of cairo/pixman/gdk_pixbuff that is interacting weirdly with Pat's Mac. I'll test it with him to see what the cause is. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Henning dra...@darkrefraction.comwrote: The warning that said 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. isn't related. That's just there because of the version of gegl in use by the builds. Because 2.8 doesn't use gegl for most operations, that wouldn't cause your issue. Sorry, I don't know what's causing this. -- drawoc On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: To follow up, in case it helps anyone out, here is the output from the terminal when running the app: Pats-Air:MacOS pat$ ./Gimp Dir is . Appdir is /Users/pat/Downloads/Gimp-2.8.app removed /tmp/pb2.8 folder removed tmp/lib folder Hello - About to run Gimp - Standby CWD is /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/MacOS pwd is /Users/pat Strip out the argument added by the OS... Cannot spawn a message bus without a machine-id: Unable to load /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or /etc/machine-id: Failed to open file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id': No such file or directory (gimp-2.8:6567): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class 'GeglConfig' has no property named 'cache-size' /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:18: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-error-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:22: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-info-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:26: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-question-64.png /tmp/pb2.8/Gimp-2.8.app/Contents/Resources/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Small/gtkrc:30: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: ../Default/images/stock-warning-64.png ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkWindow) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkInvisible) ** Message: pygobject_register_sinkfunc is deprecated (GtkObject) ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GMountMountFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GDriveStartFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' ** (process:6580): WARNING **: Trying to register gtype 'GSocketMsgFlags' as enum when in fact it is of type 'GFlags' The only part that looks possibly suspect/related to me is the GObject-WARNING about 'Geglconfig has no property named 'cache-size'. Could this be related? On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Pat David patda...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I wasn't sure if I should post here, but I figure it can't hurt. I'm running OSX 10.7.5 (Lion) w/ 4GB ram, and have been primarily using two builds from Simone and Partha. (Partha's 2.8.6 build, and the latest from Simone for Lion 2.8.4 - 2.8.4p2) What I'm seeing is an incredibly slow screen/canvas redraw when doing actions that affect the entire layer. For instance, here is a small screencast of turning a layer on and off in my system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLlOJY7ZJs I've tried setting the tile cache size from 3GB to 1GB, and even down to 512MB, but it makes no difference. I've found previous posts around about color management possibly being the culprit, but I've tried it both with/without color management enabled, and it appears to make no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that if I zoom into a much smaller region, things speed up quickly. (It's actually faster to zoom in to about 300%, toggle a layer visibility or adjust curves, then zoom out - where the effect has been applied across the entire image layer, as opposed to trying to do while viewing the entire image). I saw a changelog that mentioned this might be fixed, so I'm worried I might be doing something wrong... -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] OSX Performance (screen redraw)
Hi all, I wasn't sure if I should post here, but I figure it can't hurt. I'm running OSX 10.7.5 (Lion) w/ 4GB ram, and have been primarily using two builds from Simone and Partha. (Partha's 2.8.6 build, and the latest from Simone for Lion 2.8.4 - 2.8.4p2) What I'm seeing is an incredibly slow screen/canvas redraw when doing actions that affect the entire layer. For instance, here is a small screencast of turning a layer on and off in my system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLlOJY7ZJs I've tried setting the tile cache size from 3GB to 1GB, and even down to 512MB, but it makes no difference. I've found previous posts around about color management possibly being the culprit, but I've tried it both with/without color management enabled, and it appears to make no difference. The only thing I've noticed is that if I zoom into a much smaller region, things speed up quickly. (It's actually faster to zoom in to about 300%, toggle a layer visibility or adjust curves, then zoom out - where the effect has been applied across the entire image layer, as opposed to trying to do while viewing the entire image). I saw a changelog that mentioned this might be fixed, so I'm worried I might be doing something wrong... -- pat david http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
