Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread Alan Horkan

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, David Neary wrote:

> Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> > According to http://registry.gimp.org/changes?max=15 the last change to
> > a plug-in was done only a couple of days ago - so it seems the registry
> > works at least for some people.
>
> Perhaps, but there are several things which should be possible
> which aren't.
>
> First, the majority of the plug-ins in the registry appear to be
> abandonware - 1.0 plug-ins that have never been updates to 1.2,
> never mind 1.3/2.0. We need a way to clean out the cruft (or at
> least hide it away).
>
> Second, the registry could do with a ranking system to have the
> most common and/or popular plug-ins appearing on the top of the
> lists of plug-ins. The only sorting system I've seen is
> alphabetically, which severely limits the usefullness of the site.
>
> Third, it is not possible to attach patches for existing
> plug-ins to a plug-in without being a plug-in maintainer. It
> would be nice if this were easier to do, perhaps with a comment
> system? Although I guess an inscription system makes some
> sense...

This functionality sounds a lot like MozDev, which has a very useful list
of active projects, or Sourceforge (or Gnu/Savannah/Whatever).

Changing to a full blown project management system might make things
easier to manage in the long run.

Something to consider at least.

- Alan H
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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread David Hodson
Carol Spears wrote:

http://wiki.gimp.org/ is a nice holding place until the other
> stuff gets ironed out, imo.

OK, I've put DBP up there because I think it's the most useful.
I might add some others later. Let me know (or, I guess, just
edit it) if I've done something horribly wrong.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread Adam D. Moss
David Neary wrote:
> Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
>>According to http://registry.gimp.org/changes?max=15 the last change to
>>a plug-in was done only a couple of days ago - so it seems the registry
>>works at least for some people.
>
> Perhaps, but there are several things which should be possible
> which aren't.
>
> First, the majority of the plug-ins in the registry appear to be
> abandonware - 1.0 plug-ins that have never been updates to 1.2,
> never mind 1.3/2.0. We need a way to clean out the cruft (or at
> least hide it away).
>
> Second, the registry could do with a ranking system to have the
> most common and/or popular plug-ins appearing on the top of the
> lists of plug-ins. The only sorting system I've seen is
> alphabetically, which severely limits the usefullness of the site.
>
> Third, it is not possible to attach patches for existing
> plug-ins to a plug-in without being a plug-in maintainer. It
> would be nice if this were easier to do, perhaps with a comment
> system? Although I guess an inscription system makes some
> sense...
Fourth, there needs to be a way to recover your password or
something!  My plugins died in the registry because the ability
to update them was locked to an account that I'd forgotten
the password to.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread David Hodson
David Neary wrote:

I'm not sure the plug-in registry likes anyone :) Who *is*
responsible for maintaining it?
Ingo is listed as the contact, and his email address is there.
I did get a reply from him when I was having problems (in May this
year), but we couldn't solve them. (Or maybe I lost interest.)
(BTW, sorry I replied to you instead of the list.)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread David Neary
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> According to http://registry.gimp.org/changes?max=15 the last change to
> a plug-in was done only a couple of days ago - so it seems the registry
> works at least for some people.

Perhaps, but there are several things which should be possible
which aren't.

First, the majority of the plug-ins in the registry appear to be
abandonware - 1.0 plug-ins that have never been updates to 1.2,
never mind 1.3/2.0. We need a way to clean out the cruft (or at
least hide it away).

Second, the registry could do with a ranking system to have the
most common and/or popular plug-ins appearing on the top of the
lists of plug-ins. The only sorting system I've seen is
alphabetically, which severely limits the usefullness of the site.

Third, it is not possible to attach patches for existing
plug-ins to a plug-in without being a plug-in maintainer. It
would be nice if this were easier to do, perhaps with a comment
system? Although I guess an inscription system makes some
sense...

> > In the meantime, as Carol suggested it might be an idea to use
> > the wiki to collect these kinds of external resources, in the
> > absence of a registry which gets updated.
> 
> Hmmm... another duplication of effort? Why have two places to store user
> committed plug-ins? Wouldn't the time be better spent on say,
> maintaining registry.gimp.org?

Sure - "In the meantime" was meant to be "until the plug-in
registry is maintained". I would still like to know who is
running the site. Is Ingo still active on it?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:01, David Neary wrote:
> I'm not sure the plug-in registry likes anyone :) Who *is*
> responsible for maintaining it?

According to http://registry.gimp.org/changes?max=15 the last change to
a plug-in was done only a couple of days ago - so it seems the registry
works at least for some people.

> In the meantime, as Carol suggested it might be an idea to use
> the wiki to collect these kinds of external resources, in the
> absence of a registry which gets updated.

Hmmm... another duplication of effort? Why have two places to store user
committed plug-ins? Wouldn't the time be better spent on say,
maintaining registry.gimp.org?

Sincerely,
./Brix
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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-23 Thread David Neary
David Hodson wrote:
> I really don't have the time to take on a maintenance job - I have
> too many of my own projects to finish. Plus, I don't think that the
> plugin registry likes me. I have some very old plugins there, but
> every time I try to update them I can't get access.

I'm not sure the plug-in registry likes anyone :) Who *is*
responsible for maintaining it?

In the meantime, as Carol suggested it might be an idea to use
the wiki to collect these kinds of external resources, in the
absence of a registry which gets updated.

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-21 Thread Carol Spears
http://wiki.gimp.org/ is a nice holding place until the other stuff gets 
ironed out, imo.

carol

David Hodson wrote:

I've got a bunch of plugins on my website, a couple of which
are reasonably stable and mature. (OK, so they're built against
1.2 at the moment.) Who decides on the offical plugin list?
For the interested, check out wideangle, degrain, and DBP (and
maybe Cineon/DPX, although that's fairly specialised) at:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/




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Re: [Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-21 Thread David Neary
David Hodson wrote:
> I've got a bunch of plugins on my website, a couple of which
> are reasonably stable and mature. (OK, so they're built against
> 1.2 at the moment.) Who decides on the offical plugin list?

The official plug-ins are the ones in the main GIMP CVS
repository. In general, a plug-in will get accepted if it's (1)
reasonably bug free, (2) doing things like data access in a
gimpish way, and (3) has an official active maintainer. Oh, and
(4) is useful :)

Unfortunately, several plug-ins which have in the past been
included in the main GIMP distribution, and have then "lost"
their maintainer, giving a rather big maintenance headache. Also,
plug-ins weren't always bug-free when accepted. There was a time
when we were pretty promiscuous about what we accepted (before my
time...)

Because of the aforementioned maintenance, the standards have
been somewhat raised. However, several plug-ins have been
accepted into 1.3.

> For the interested, check out wideangle, degrain, and DBP (and
> maybe Cineon/DPX, although that's fairly specialised) at:

Would you be interested in helping keep the plug-in registry
up-to-date? It's a job that needs doing, and I honestly don't
know who was responsible for that before... I know that Carol was
also interested in maintaining a list of 3rd party plug-ins,
perhaps you could get talking to each other?

Cheers,
Dave.

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[Gimp-developer] How do I get a plugin into the offical release?

2003-09-21 Thread David Hodson
I've got a bunch of plugins on my website, a couple of which
are reasonably stable and mature. (OK, so they're built against
1.2 at the moment.) Who decides on the offical plugin list?
For the interested, check out wideangle, degrain, and DBP (and
maybe Cineon/DPX, although that's fairly specialised) at:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/
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