Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Jenny wrote: >> Here is my draft proposal >> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARZjTPkuA386ZGRmY3JteG1fOTRoZmJ4cm1keg&hl=en >> thanks, >> Jenny > > No, that was not even in the same ballpark as the idea. Integration > with gimp was said to be optional but the project is for a paint tool > in gimp sense. Like paintbrush tool or airbrush tool using gegl as the > back end. The aim of this idea is the creation of that back end with > optional GIMP integration. That back end should support paths with > outputs and rendering of those paths either using stamping of a bitmap > or some other sort of creation of a stroke(for example the kind ink > tool in gimp uses now). Essentially an implementation of paint core in > gegl. Note that there already is code in GEGL that could serve as a starting point/inspiration that does stroking of paths using bitmaps/potato stamps with a procedurally generated brush, as well as a minimal experiment testing it. Since performance of GEGL based things in GIMP is going to be hampered by the lack of native use of GeglBuffers it probably makes sense to also be able to experiment with such new infrastructure outside GIMP. -- «The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed» -- William Gibson http://pippin.gimp.org/http://ffii.org/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Jenny wrote: > Here is my draft proposal > https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARZjTPkuA386ZGRmY3JteG1fOTRoZmJ4cm1keg&hl=en > thanks, > Jenny No, that was not even in the same ballpark as the idea. Integration with gimp was said to be optional but the project is for a paint tool in gimp sense. Like paintbrush tool or airbrush tool using gegl as the back end. The aim of this idea is the creation of that back end with optional GIMP integration. That back end should support paths with outputs and rendering of those paths either using stamping of a bitmap or some other sort of creation of a stroke(for example the kind ink tool in gimp uses now). Essentially an implementation of paint core in gegl. -- --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
Here is my draft proposal https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ARZjTPkuA386ZGRmY3JteG1fOTRoZmJ4cm1keg&hl=en thanks, Jenny On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 21:40 +0800, Jenny wrote: > > But... it is on the idea list, names "Basic gegl based paint tool". > > It's on the idea list for gimp - i.e. a gimp paint tool that's based > directly on gegl, I would think was meant. Maybe one that lets you > apply gegl operations to a brush-sized area as yo u"paint", rather > like brushes in Krita (a KDE drawing/painting program). > > There's a certain amount of flexibility around the GIMP projects, but > I rather think they do actually have to involve GIMP :-) > > Liam > > -- > Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ > Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ > Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org > > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 21:40 +0800, Jenny wrote: > But... it is on the idea list, names "Basic gegl based paint tool". It's on the idea list for gimp - i.e. a gimp paint tool that's based directly on gegl, I would think was meant. Maybe one that lets you apply gegl operations to a brush-sized area as yo u"paint", rather like brushes in Krita (a KDE drawing/painting program). There's a certain amount of flexibility around the GIMP projects, but I rather think they do actually have to involve GIMP :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
But... it is on the idea list, names "Basic gegl based paint tool". On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > On 03/27/2010 01:25 PM, Jenny wrote: > >> Thanks Matin's feedback. :) >> >> Another question: could developing a stand alone but gegl-based >> application be a GSoC project? >> > > I'm not a GSoC authority, but my guess is "no". > > > / Martin > > > -- > > My GIMP Blog: > http://www.chromecode.com/ > "GIMP 2.8 development still under control" > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On 03/27/2010 01:25 PM, Jenny wrote: > Thanks Matin's feedback. :) > > Another question: could developing a stand alone but gegl-based > application be a GSoC project? I'm not a GSoC authority, but my guess is "no". / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ "GIMP 2.8 development still under control" ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
Jenny wrote: > GEGL shipped an GUI application for test, with which user takes many > OPs on the default image. But this application can not load images. > > I want to write a user-friendly GUI for GEGL as my GSoC project. I > think this application should provide many drag-able "block"s, where > each block assigns an operation. User drags blocks and connects them > to process image. Kinda like the simulink > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulink > ). > > Expecting feedback. the graph/boxes and hoses/visual programming metaphor will one day be in GIMP, because we have 'researching cutting edge image algorithms' in the vision. but it is certainly not how I see anybody creative or production working. that is much more hands-on, a continuation of the way you see right now in GIMP: hand-tools, a free combination of selections + filters/operations + layer techniques. the graph thing can be added _after_ all of these normal things have been adapted to GEGL. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
Thanks Matin's feedback. :) Another question: could developing a stand alone but gegl-based application be a GSoC project? Thanks, Jenny On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > On 03/27/2010 12:26 PM, Jenny wrote: > > GEGL shipped an GUI application for test, with which user takes many OPs > > on the default image. But this application can not load images. > > > > I want to write a user-friendly GUI for GEGL as my GSoC project. I think > > this application should provide many drag-able "block"s, where each > > block assigns an operation. User drags blocks and connects them to > > process image. Kinda like the simulink > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulink). > > > > Expecting feedback. > > IMHO, GEGL should only be a great image processing library, not an image > processing library + an advanced UI tool. Also being the latter adds > considerable maintenance and development burdens, making it harder to > focus on the core functionality. It'd be fine to create an external > project that has a GEGL dependency though, of course. > > / Martin > > > -- > > My GIMP Blog: > http://www.chromecode.com/ > "GIMP 2.8 development still under control" > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On 03/27/2010 12:26 PM, Jenny wrote: > GEGL shipped an GUI application for test, with which user takes many OPs > on the default image. But this application can not load images. > > I want to write a user-friendly GUI for GEGL as my GSoC project. I think > this application should provide many drag-able "block"s, where each > block assigns an operation. User drags blocks and connects them to > process image. Kinda like the simulink > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulink). > > Expecting feedback. IMHO, GEGL should only be a great image processing library, not an image processing library + an advanced UI tool. Also being the latter adds considerable maintenance and development burdens, making it harder to focus on the core functionality. It'd be fine to create an external project that has a GEGL dependency though, of course. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog: http://www.chromecode.com/ "GIMP 2.8 development still under control" ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
GEGL shipped an GUI application for test, with which user takes many OPs on the default image. But this application can not load images. I want to write a user-friendly GUI for GEGL as my GSoC project. I think this application should provide many drag-able "block"s, where each block assigns an operation. User drags blocks and connects them to process image. Kinda like the simulink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulink). Expecting feedback. Thank you, Jenny On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/27/10, Jenny wrote: > >> But as far as I know, gegl has had a GUI. > > Not any more :) > > Alexandre > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [GSoC] About the idea: Basic gegl based paint tool
On 3/27/10, Jenny wrote: > But as far as I know, gegl has had a GUI. Not any more :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
