Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable"tear-ablemenus"
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 06:24 am, Joseph Heled wrote:
> Your remark about "focus policy" sent me to the KDE control center - and
> yes, it is a focus problem of sorts. I was running with "focus strictly
> under mouse" (CC/Look & Feel/Window Behavior/Focus). When I Change that to
> "Click to Focus", the menu remains until the window focus is lost. Would
> you do me a favor and see under which policy you run and if you get the
> same problem if you switch to another policy? (actually all you have to do
> is to detach a menu and switch focus by clicking on another window).
>
> Still, the menu disappears after a focus lose and does not return. This can
> be either a KDE bug or GTK bug.
I have now tried both options ("focus strictly under mouse" and "click to
focus") in KDE 3.2.3 without problems: I can tear off menus and they receive
focus when under the mouse / I click on them (depending on the setting). They
do not disappear magically. In short: works perfectly.
I consider it unlikely that we will easily find the exact cause of the problem
(could be deep inside Qt), and even if we do, the fix could be non-trivial.
Depending on how much you want working tear-off menus (beside other
advantages of newer KDE versions), an update of KDE and/or Qt would therefore
still seem to be the easiest way to fix the problem. For instance (assuming
the worst possible outcome of an attempted KDE update), backing up my entire
system and doing a complete re-install would cost me approximately 12 hours,
maybe more, but not more than 15 hours. I guess that this is still nothing
compared to locating the problem and fixing it, but I could of course be
wrong (with both).
Markus.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable"tear-ablemenus"
Hi, Joseph Heled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Still, the menu disappears after a focus lose and does not > return. This can be either a KDE bug or GTK bug. > > gimp 1.2 (under gtk 1.2) has no such problem since the menu has its > own window, i.e.comes up with a title bar of it's own. The detached menus certainly get window decorations here (using sawfish) so this is most likely a bug in the KDE window manager then. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable "tear-ablemenus"
Hi, Markus Triska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I guess that if no one else has this problem, it is a kde problem. > > That would also be my guess. I've been using Gimp with KDE 3.[012] for some > time, and although I (contrary to you) never ran into anything that I knew > should work but didn't, there surely were moments that made me doubt the > cleverness of its focus policy. Gnome 2.6.(2, currently) works better for me > with regards to that, so I recommend that you give it a shot (if possible) > and see if the problem remains, to narrow down the range of imagined > possibilities. It should be sufficient to try a different window manager, you shouldn't have to completely switch your desktop to make that happen. But then, I don't know how closely the KDE window manager is integrated with their desktop. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the default focus policy on KDE nowadays? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable"tear-ablemenus"
Hi, Your remark about "focus policy" sent me to the KDE control center - and yes, it is a focus problem of sorts. I was running with "focus strictly under mouse" (CC/Look & Feel/Window Behavior/Focus). When I Change that to "Click to Focus", the menu remains until the window focus is lost. Would you do me a favor and see under which policy you run and if you get the same problem if you switch to another policy? (actually all you have to do is to detach a menu and switch focus by clicking on another window). Still, the menu disappears after a focus lose and does not return. This can be either a KDE bug or GTK bug. gimp 1.2 (under gtk 1.2) has no such problem since the menu has its own window, i.e.comes up with a title bar of it's own. And I have no other gtk2 program which brings up detachable menus ... Gnome is not an option right now. Even the installed one is broken after I updated the libg/gtk 2.4. I can't allow an upgrade the kill my KDE, which can happen :( -Joseph > That would also be my guess. I've been using Gimp with KDE 3.[012] for some > time, and although I (contrary to you) never ran into anything that I knew > should work but didn't, there surely were moments that made me doubt the > cleverness of its focus policy. Gnome 2.6.(2, currently) works better for me > with regards to that, so I recommend that you give it a shot (if possible) > and see if the problem remains, to narrow down the range of imagined > possibilities. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable "tear-ablemenus"
> I guess that if no one else has this problem, it is a kde problem. That would also be my guess. I've been using Gimp with KDE 3.[012] for some time, and although I (contrary to you) never ran into anything that I knew should work but didn't, there surely were moments that made me doubt the cleverness of its focus policy. Gnome 2.6.(2, currently) works better for me with regards to that, so I recommend that you give it a shot (if possible) and see if the problem remains, to narrow down the range of imagined possibilities. Markus. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable "tear-ablemenus"
Please, by all means, update GTK+. Lots of bugs have been fixed in the 2.4 series and still using 2.4.0 is sortof lightheaded. Life is sort of slow with a 56K modem. Updated gtk+, glib and atk. The problem remains $pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0 2.4.4 $pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 2.4.4 I guess that if no one else has this problem, it is a kde problem. I know there is a kde-3.0.5 available for RH 8.0, but I doubt something as obscure has been fixed in such a small upgrade. -Joseph ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
