Re: [Gimp-developer] RFC: three questions for the LXF article

2006-05-11 Thread Alan Horkan

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Michael J. Hammel wrote:

 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:52:24 -0600
 From: Michael J. Hammel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: GIMP Developer Mailing List gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
 Subject: [Gimp-developer] RFC:  three questions for the LXF article

 If anyone wants to comment on these, please feel free.

 1. Developer Wishlist

 A lng time ago there was a wish list of features for GIMP.  Is there
 any such thing now, specifically as seen from the developers point of
 view?

Anything and everything marked as enhancement in Bugzilla?

 2. The 5 most annoying GIMP bugs

 Totally subjective, but please feel free to comment on these.  I know
 the two I've heard the most are that GIMP uses SDI instead of MDI and
 that the menus don't read like Photoshops (two that I, personally, think
 are irrelevent, but who am I to say what's relevent?).

I'd qualify that complaint a little further.  The GIMP uses CSDI, a
controlled Single Document Interface, where the Toolbox is the control
window[1] unlike the SDI used in Inkscape and various Gnome applications.
This makes the GIMP quite unusual and unfamiliarity is enough to put off
many users (but then there are other issues besides that).
The biggest supporters of this scheme are users with dual head setups or a
complex window manager (ie not Metacity or Windows).  I would not mention
the instead of MDI (Window in Window like Photoshp for Microsoft
platforms)  because that presumes too much about the best alternative.

The menus not reading like photoshop increases the learning curve allowign
users to leverage existing knowledge and makes it more difficult to reuse
all those photoshop tutorials out there.  The point I regularly make is
that I'd be a lot happier if things were _the same or better than
photoshop_ i.e. unless there was a specific reason to do things
differently they would be the same.  However the default position remains
to only copy photoshop when there is a distinct benefit to doing so.  I
don't think this is a particularly significant problem in the grand scheme
of things but it is a realtively easy complaint for users to identify and
put the blame here for other difficulties they might be having trying to
learn the software.

-- 
Alan H.

[1] The old version of Mathematica I had on windows used the menubar as a
control window.  I think Delphi did too.  Macintosh applications use the
menubar as the control window which is slightly different.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] RFC: three questions for the LXF article

2006-05-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Wed, 10 May 2006, Michael J. Hammel wrote:

  Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:52:24 -0600
  From: Michael J. Hammel [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  If anyone wants to comment on these, please feel free.
 
  1. Developer Wishlist
 
  A lng time ago there was a wish list of features for GIMP.  Is 
  there any such thing now, specifically as seen from the developers 
  point of view?
 
 Anything and everything marked as enhancement in Bugzilla?

Is this GIMP Wish list one of the following? 

http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/gimp/mjhammel/wishlist.html
http://jerhard.org/computers/contribute/gimp/wishlist/

It would be worthwhile to check if there is anything not yet in Bugzilla.


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-developer] RFC: three questions for the LXF article

2006-05-10 Thread William Skaggs


Michael J Hammel wrote:

 1. Developer Wishlist

 A lng time ago there was a wish list of features for GIMP.  Is there
 any such thing now, specifically as seen from the developers point of
 view? 

The real wishlist is the collection of enhancement requests on Bugzilla.
You can also look at some of the suggestions that were proposed as 
projects for the Goggle Summer-of-Code program, at

http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/SummerOfCode

These do not, however, include features that will depend on the GEGL
framework that is planned to be used for the next major version of
GIMP, which include effect layers, layer groups, and 16-bit-depth layers.


 2. The 5 most annoying GIMP bugs

I'll skip this one.

 6 (sic). Important bug fixes provided by non-core developers

 Anyone with input on fixes supplied by someone who just sort of came out
 of the blue?  The magazine feels this is important to encourage others
 who aren't currently actively involved in making important
 contributions.

There isn't really a hard distinction between core and non-core
devlopers, more of an exponential curve of involvement.  Also,
most of the people who are more or less heavily involved started
out by submitting a patch for something that ame to their attention:
me, for example.  If you want something more concrete, you can look
through the ChangeLog in the source code, searching for the term patch,
and you will see brief descriptions of things submitted by a couple
of dozen people who don't contribute regularly to GIMP.  The most 
common are probably fixes or improvements for plug-ins, but there are
other things too.

Best wishes,
  -- Bill
 

 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] RFC: three questions for the LXF article

2006-05-10 Thread Tim Jedlicka
I don't know the nature of your magazine/article. But you might consider7. Non-code contributors. If the goal is to get people involved, it never hurts to address those who can write plugins, tutorials, documentation,...

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