Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-31 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 17:46 +1030, David Gowers wrote: > > GEGL is doing that. > GEGL is not doing that. GEGL certainly has display-pyramid code, but > GIMP does not currently use GEGL's implementation, it has it's own > (app/base/tile-pyramid.c) Oops, sorry, I must have misunderstood soemthing p

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-31 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 17:46 +1030, David Gowers wrote: > As far as I understand it, each step of the image-pyramid is produced > by averaging every 2x2 pixel square from the step above it. If the > zoom matches exactly one of the stored pyramid levels, it is used > directly in the display.. O

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-31 Thread David Gowers
Hi Liam, On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 01:44 +0100, Joern P. Meier wrote: > [...] >> By the way, what kind of downscaling is used for the view zooming? > > GEGL is doing that. GEGL is not doing that. GEGL certainly has display-py

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-30 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 01:44 +0100, Joern P. Meier wrote: [...] > By the way, what kind of downscaling is used for the view zooming? GEGL is doing that. I have found that for scanned engravings, where I often scale down to 11% or smaller, that GIMP 2.6 is not only much faster, but usually has much

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-30 Thread Joern P. Meier
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 23:52 +0100, Joern P. Meier wrote: > >> The new Gimp 2.6 "Cubic" option usually yields too bad quality to >> be considered (I won't even begin with "Linear"). > > I guess you are running into bug #556248 here (which will be 'fixed' > in 2.6.2).

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 23:52 +0100, Joern P. Meier wrote: > I don't think the performance is the biggest issue. However, the results > of current (i.e. Gimp 2.6.x) downscaling are. > > In Gimp 2.4 I could use the "Cubic" Option which resulted in a little > blurring, but that could be fixed wi

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
Claus: You wrote: > I don't want to say much about what type of interpolation is good > for what and when, since I don't have the knowledge that for. But 2 > things I'd like to comment: > 1.) No more interpolation Options? > David Gowers mentioned: "Do we even need to offer a choice of > algor

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Joern P. Meier
Hi, I don't think the performance is the biggest issue. However, the results of current (i.e. Gimp 2.6.x) downscaling are. In Gimp 2.4 I could use the "Cubic" Option which resulted in a little blurring, but that could be fixed with a judicious use of the "Sharpen" filter. So in the end, it yielde

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:06 +0100, Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla) wrote: > I just can repeat myself, the old routines were "good enough" for most > cases/people, so I would like to see the option, to use it alongside > the new code. This could be easily (from a user's perspective ;-) > done, by

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 21:03 +0100, Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla) wrote: > But this benchmark represents, what an "average" user notice at first: > Gimp 2.6 needs much more time, and doesn't deliver that much more > quality. Sorry, but your benchmark doesn't show a dramatic slowdown. The impact

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla)
Hello... All the responses make clear to me, that there is quiet a lot do do about scaling in gimp ;-) I just can repeat myself, the old routines were "good enough" for most cases/people, so I would like to see the option, to use it alongside the new code. This could be easily (from a user's

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla)
Hello... No, my benchmark was NOT intended to come close to yours ;-) My main interest was the time it takes for processing. I only tested ONE image, not several in several resolutions... Its clear to me, that different scale factors can/will result in different quality of images. But this b

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 13:07 +0100, Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla) wrote: > Benchmarking GIMP Scaledown Performance: > > Scale layer from 5000x5000px -> 2500x2500px: This particular case (downscaling by 50%) is broken in GIMP 2.6.0 and 2.6.1. A workaround is in SVN and will be in the 2.6.2 rele

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
David Gowers writes: > ... > It is certainly possible. As Sven pointed out, we should probably > first address the craziness of using interpolation routines (linear, > cubic, lanczos) for downscaling. Do we even need to offer a choice of > algorithym for downscaling (Box filter of appropriate

Re: [Gimp-developer] Scaling in Gimp 2.6 is much slower than in Gimp 2.4

2008-10-29 Thread David Gowers
Hi, On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Claus Berghammer (Bugzilla) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Gimp Developers, > > Sven Neumann asked me to move this thread from the Users mailinglist, to > developers. The original discussion can be found here: > http://www.nabble.com/Scaling-in-Gimp-2.6