Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
e-mailed me on Mon Dec 11 01:26:48 2000 (Re: "Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)") >- One can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the >"esc" key. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. Along the same lines, "Enter" should always activate the "Okay", unless a selection menu (like the font selection menu in the Dynamic Text plugin) is currently active. This bugs me quite a bit, as well as a lack of the "Esc" functionality described above. -- Nem W Schlecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Empyreal Technologieshttp://www.emptec.com/ "Perl did the magic. I just waved the wand."
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
I guess someone is completely unsatisfied with his sexual life, and though written in a profoundly stupid way, I think Mr. timecop has mentionend some facts that I have also considered worth to be changed: - Tab order on most dialogs is not perfect - 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. - One can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" key. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button. I personally think bothering 'bout things like EXIT or QUIT is idiotic itself. Costumizable shortcuts are a great thing and shouldn't be abolished. Maybe Mr. TIMECOP would have been taken more seriously if he had written his complaints not in a way that obviously applies most to his behaviour ... idiotic! -- ZÄR HORST Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a
I can't address all the issues, but there's an easy one I can. |* I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard. Hardly any of the | menus have keyboard shortcuts. You can add all the menu shortcuts you want. They're completely customizable. Given the number and potential mixes of plugins, this is a reasonable solution. Oh, and if you expect anyone to consider your ranting professional, you'll need to work on your language and presentation. It was one of the most unprofessional I've seen. -Miles
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
Hi, Zachary Beane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:31:13AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a > > contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever > > happened to uniform interface? > > I'm sure assistance in redesign would be greatly appreciated. Mocking > up sane designs would be extremely helpful. I'm pretty sure that we can live better without timecops assistance. A lot of people that work a lot with The GIMP have contributed their ideas of a nice and usable GUI and should continue to do so. We all know that we can still improve a lot, but we can certainly do better without people like him. Salut, Sven
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
Hi, Ask politely next time. Go away! bye, --Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * When I press Alt-F and then "x" on my keyboard, The Gimp doesn't exit. > * I see completely fucking useless tearoff menus on top of every > menu. They get in the way, sometimes tear off by mistake, and in > general seem to be designed to annoy the fuck out of the user > * I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard. Hardly any of the > menus have keyboard shortcuts. > * None of the dialogs have keyboard shortcuts. And I don't mean a > shortcut to bring up the dialog. I mean keyboard hotkeys to navigate > inside the dialog from control to control. > * Tab order on most dialogs is idiotic. > * 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. I > want to press enter in the "New Image" dialog and expect it to go away. > Don't blame GTK, that you can't activate a default button when you are > inside of a entry. Fix it. Gnome people fixed it, not that it was the > best way to do it. > * I can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" > key. Adding code to do this would be so simple I am curious why nobody > bothered to do that. It should naturally default to activating dialog's > "Cancel" button. > * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a > contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever > happened to uniform interface? > * Configurable menu shortcut keys? Who the fuck uses that? I would > rather see consistent menu hotkeys so I can do Alt-F-X to exit the > application rather than be able to customize what key I press to save > the image. Another useless feature, in my opinion. > * Did I mention that tearoff menus either need to go away, or be > configurable by the user, with ability to completely disable them? I > understand that whoever designed tearoff menus used to sleep dreaming > about motif and CDE, but still, not everyone is nuts like that. > > I have been a long time gimp user since like version 0.9-something, and > contributed some code even back in 1998, but this is getting out of > hand. I was hoping close to the 1.2 release someone would at least bother > looking into the human interface features of this program. I appreciate > how cool the program is as far as features go, but if it's unusable by > your average joe user, nobody will like it. All of the things I mentioned > above are very easily fixable, even if that means adding extra code to > handle it. Menu hotkeys are absolutely necessary, and for god's sake dont > fucking use "Quit", its E-X-I-T, not QUIT. Look at any professional > application. Also, may I suggest reading "Designing User Interfaces" on > your favorite MSDN mirror. While 100% of you are going to balk at the > fact its about Windows, it's very interesting reading nevertheless. Of > course, implementing most of the things mentioned there would require > rewriting GTK and it's idiocy regarding keyboard control, but at least > some things could be done. > > tc. this is NOT a troll, but a increasing concern I have about all GUI > applications created for Linux. > > -- > $B!&!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!&(B > timecop at japan.co.jp | $B#O#ADL?.%5%S!<%93t<02q I thought everything that Linus Torvalds is involved with was divine > perfection? Must be a problem with NEC and Sony -about Crusoe recall > $B!&!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!&(B
Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)
On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:31:13AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * When I press Alt-F and then "x" on my keyboard, The Gimp doesn't > exit. Ctrl-Q works though. Ctrl-Q (and Ctrl-W and some others) are standard for the Macintosh, and acceptable IMHO. > * I see completely fucking useless tearoff menus on top of every > menu. They get in the way, sometimes tear off by mistake, and in > general seem to be designed to annoy the fuck out of the user I haven't had that problem, but it would be nice if they could be disabled, I suppose. > * I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard. Hardly any of the > menus have keyboard shortcuts. I'm sure a reasonable new default menurc would be accepted for GIMP. [snip] > * 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. I [snip] > * I can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc" > key. Adding code to do this would be so simple I am curious why nobody > bothered to do that. It should naturally default to activating dialog's > "Cancel" button. Both good ideas. > * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a > contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface. What ever > happened to uniform interface? I'm sure assistance in redesign would be greatly appreciated. Mocking up sane designs would be extremely helpful. > * Configurable menu shortcut keys? Who the fuck uses that? I would > rather see consistent menu hotkeys so I can do Alt-F-X to exit the > application rather than be able to customize what key I press to save > the image. Another useless feature, in my opinion. I quite like this feature and use it a lot, and I know that many of the people I know who use GIMP a lot appreciate the feature. [snip] > tc. this is NOT a troll, but a increasing concern I have about all GUI > applications created for Linux. You can say it's not a troll all you like, but giving point-blank demands (without any corresponding offer of aid), mixing arbitrary judgement calls (Quit is unacceptable? Says who? Bowie J. Poag?) in with reasonable suggestions, swearing, and generally being an ass, may cause the reader to think otherwise. Zach -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zachary Beane http://www.xach.com/
