Re: Modifier keys (second call for votes)
Hello Sven This is Karins vote. She I think circle restricts is the best. It gives you a better control of what you are doing and it simply feels better. She would also love if you could make it snap to guide as I suggested in my mail yesterday. Cheers Olof On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, I haven't got many responses to my last mail (two votes to be exact), so I ask you once again. Speak up now or be quiet later!! Please check out CVS and test the blend tool (or apply the patch included in my previous mail). Then decide which way you prefer: Holding Shift restricts you to 15 degrees and puts the endpoint on the circle you are defining with your mouse and the startpoint. Holding Ctrl restricts you to 15 degrees too, but puts the endpoint on a rectangle defined by your mouse and the closest 15-degrees angle. The question is not which key to use (I'm planning to use Ctrl for it), but which way of constraining movements to 15 degrees feels better. This only applies to the line draw mode of the paint tools and to the blend tool. Now vote!! Salut, Sven
Re: Modifier keys
Sven Neumann wrote: What a perfect mess!! Suggestions on how to make this useful and consistent are welcome... Opinion: I feel it would be reasonable to create unified set of modifier keys... Shift is always a positive thing (add, copy...) , Ctrl is always the opposite (remove, cut...) and Alt is always the alternative (different target...) For example in the move tool shift+click would create a copy of the current selection and move it. Ctrl-click would just move the current selection (default action, even without the modifiers) and Alt-shift/ctrl-click would make the action to affect the current layer instead of the selection. This should be consistent thrue-out the whole gimp (including plug-ins) and even thrue-out the whole GNOME... -- Jukka Rajala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.saunalahti.fi/rjala/
Re: Modifier keys
Austin wrote on Tuesday, 09 Nov 1999: Again, I'd recommend someone finding out what PhotoShop's modifiers do, and just blatantly copy them. I have two reasons for this: a) people used to PS will like this. b) some team at Adobe has already done usability testing - we can reuse their work. I have looked everywhere on the photoshop CD but there is no document describing the shortcuts in short. With Photoshop came a reference card and if someone wants to make it in a ascii table, I can send her/him a picture of it (but beware: it's in german). On the Adobe Website I have found a document called crossprod.pdf (214034 Byte) that show's CROSS PRODUCT KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS for Adobe Photoshop 5.0, Adobe Illustrator 8.0 and Adobe PageMaker 6.5 maybe this is a good starting point. If you can't find this doc at Adobe I can mail it or ftp it to a common place. BTW: AFAIS photoshop isn't consitent at all with keybindings -- but I don't use PS but Gimp ;-)) Yours Uwe -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~koloska/ ---- right now the web page is in german only but this will change as time goes by ;-)
Re: Modifier keys
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, well, we already agreed that the modifier keys need some rework. I volunteer to do the job, but I don't want to start hacking before we have discussed the issue and found a suitable solution. So, to start the discussion, here's a list of the current state. Many thanks to Sven Riedel who helped to create this list: snip.. Also, please inform me if this is list is wrong or incomplete. Salut, Sven Nice list. Let's make it messier. There is also the (unwanted) relationship between Preferences Categories/Interfaces/Image Windows. "Disable Cursor updating" which disables all select modifiers as well. [see #2568: [gimp-bug] key modifiers not working for selections with cursor update off] I'm tasking myself to address this bug, probably this weekend. Be good, be well Garry
Re: Modifier keys
Blend: Shift 15 degrees steps Ctrl horizontal Alt vertical Ctrl+Alt diagonal (45 degress) A question: then shift does all, no? I think everyone is capable of moving the mouse around 15 degrees steps. I am not saying to remove the others, just to know that I only need on key here. What a perfect mess!! Suggestions on how to make this useful and consistent are welcome... Also, please inform me if this is list is wrong or incomplete. For things related to directions I will do all two keys: - first to do lines - second (that can be hit with the first one if user wants) to make lines at 15 degrees (you can paint diagonal, vertical and horizontals with this, except if you hands shake a lot). And all tools that can be used to paint straight lines should use that keys. If the tool by definition only does straight lines, first key is not used for anything (except if all the rest mods has been used). Just decide which key is "line" and which "15 degrees line". And as many will say, what about coping Photoshop keys if they sound logical? Because I hope they do and are not a mess like Gimp's. Does anybody have the list or a URL? GSR