Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread David Gowers
Hello!

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Jochen Cichon j...@vfnet.de wrote:

 Hi,

 am sorry for posting this, because the NEW feature to have an empty
 window is maybe very nice...

 But how can I get back the old layout?!

 So only the toolbox (with menu) without that anoying emtpy window... ;)

 Sri for that folks... but most times I have the toolbox on my screen,
 and just drag/drop some images into it to edit them.
 (so afterwards just close the window...)
 Actually I close that empty window and gimp will close also... ;(

That's right.
I don't see the problem, though; you can still do just the same thing.
open images, work, close images, open images, work, close images..


 ps: hopefully there will be a way to bring that back via config,
  [ ]  only open toolbar... or something
The only way to do that is to downgrade to 2.4. There is no option
(nor will there be an option added in the foreseeable future)

David
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread norman

 am sorry for posting this, because the NEW feature to have an empty
 window is maybe very nice...
 
 But how can I get back the old layout?!
 
 So only the toolbox (with menu) without that anoying emtpy window... ;)
 
 Sri for that folks... but most times I have the toolbox on my screen,
 and just drag/drop some images into it to edit them.
 (so afterwards just close the window...)
 Actually I close that empty window and gimp will close also... ;(
 
 ps: hopefully there will be a way to bring that back via config,
   [ ]  only open toolbar... or something
 
There is a way to do this because I have done it. Unfortunately, I have
forgotten how but I am sure that Rolf Steinort at www.meetthegimp.org
would know the answer.

Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread norman
 snip 

 That's right.
 I don't see the problem, though; you can still do just the same thing.
 open images, work, close images, open images, work, close images..

Are you sure that this is correct? I am convinced that I use the latest
Gimp with Ubuntu 8.10 and that I do not have the window referred to. I
do not wish to start an argument but I am almost certain that Rolf
Steinort, in one of his videos, explained how to get rid of the window.
I will try to find the time to search it out.

Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread Alec Burgess

norman (nor...@littletank.org) wrote (in part)  (on 2009-02-11 at
04:14):

  am sorry for posting this, because the NEW feature to have an empty
   window is maybe very nice...
  
   But how can I get back the old layout?!
  
   So only the toolbox (with menu) without that anoying emtpy
 window...  ;)
  
   Sri for that folks... but most times I have the toolbox on my
 screen,
   and just drag/drop some images into it to edit them.
   (so afterwards just close the window...)
   Actually I close that empty window and gimp will close also... ;(
  
   ps: hopefully there will be a way to bring that back via config,
 [ ]  only open toolbar... or something

 There is a way to do this because I have done it. Unfortunately, I
 have
 forgotten how but I am sure that Rolf Steinort at www.meetthegimp.org
 would know the answer.


Are you talking about adding the line:
(toolbox-wilber no)
to gimprc, normally at (in Windows XP) C:\Documents and 
Settings\{username}\.gimp-2.6\gimprc


This suppresses Wilbur drop-area at the top of the toolbox - not needed 
because the entire icons area in the toolbox is a drop-area?


However, this does not suppress the empty-image-window.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread David Gowers
Hi,

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:15 PM, norman nor...@littletank.org wrote:
  snip 

 That's right.
 I don't see the problem, though; you can still do just the same thing.
 open images, work, close images, open images, work, close images..

 Are you sure that this is correct?

  I am convinced that I use the latest
 Gimp with Ubuntu 8.10 and that I do not have the window referred to.

Well, you probably have 2.6.1, and I'm convinced myself that there is
no way for you to not have this window.
(there is actually one way, which is complicated and involves
autodetecting 'no-image-window' and hiding it when it exists. I guess
if someone is desperate enough, they could try that 9_9)


 I
 do not wish to start an argument but I am almost certain that Rolf
 Steinort, in one of his videos, explained how to get rid of the window.
I'm completely certain that he explained how to do something that
gives the illusion of this (but doesn't actually change anything
much), I recall it was basically just a way to have the toolbox and
docks over the image window (which struck me as cute but of no
particular advantage) ; And I'm equally sure that the
'empty-image-window' is always the toplevel GIMP window (meaning if
you close it, you are closing GIMP) and this isn't optional.

Mainly because I've been subscribed to and paying attention to the
gimp-developer mailing list for a long time, and also, while the
'transient-docks' option was introduced in 2.4 (maybe this is what you
are thinking of), no new gimprc options were introduced in 2.6, other
than the one Alec mentioned (according to the results of 'grep -r -e
gimprc -i ChangeLog.pre-2-6 -C 3 |less')

IIRC people have already asked for the ability to change this, and
received very definite responses along the lines of 'no way, not going
to happen.'.

David
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: norman nor...@littletank.org

 I do not wish to start an argument but I am almost certain that Rolf
 Steinort, in one of his videos, explained how to get rid of the window.
 I will try to find the time to search it out.

Size and position of the no-image-open window is saved across sessions.


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Gimp start - empty window - old toolbar

2009-02-11 Thread norman
 snip 

 Are you talking about adding the line:
 (toolbox-wilber no)
 to gimprc, normally at (in Windows XP) C:\Documents and Settings
 \{username}\.gimp-2.6\gimprc
 
 This suppresses Wilbur drop-area at the top of the toolbox - not
 needed because the entire icons area in the toolbox is a drop-area?

That is exactly what I meant, thanks. 

 However, this does not suppress the empty-image-window  

That is true, but, if I recall correctly, there always was an
empty-image-window.

Norman

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