Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-26 Thread norman

 You might try creating a new white layer and placing it at the bottom  
 of the layerstack to show the regions where your image is transparent.
 
At last I am beginning to understand. The white shows where before there
was the grey and white squares layer. Brilliant thank you.

Norman



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[Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread norman
I would like to be able to produce a black and white negative image from
an ordinary colour image. The effect I would like to produce would be to
imitate what one would get if you took a colour, positive transparency
and made a contact print on to either orthographic or lithographic film.
Thus, blue would be black and red would be clear and transparent. Have
you any suggestions how to approach this using the Gimp, please.

Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Thursday 25 October 2007 10:18, norman wrote:
 I would like to be able to produce a black and white negative image
 from an ordinary colour image. The effect I would like to produce
 would be to imitate what one would get if you took a colour,
 positive transparency and made a contact print on to either
 orthographic or lithographic film. Thus, blue would be black and
 red would be clear and transparent. Have you any suggestions how to
 approach this using the Gimp, please.


Colors-Components-Decompose (elseqwhee if you are on gimp 2.2, b ut 
still decompose)

and pick only the Hue  channel.

You cna tehn use colors-curves, or colors--levels to equate your 
previous blue to black and your previous red to white.

js
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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread Leon Brooks GIMP
On Thursday 25 October 2007 23:18:04 norman wrote:
 I would like to be able to produce a black and white negative
 image from an ordinary colour image.

I'm lazy, so desaturating on luminosity works well enough for
me. If I wanted to alter the colours, I'd put the image through
a colour-map first.

For example, I have a shot of an evolutionary sequence which
runs from a little ape-like fellow through Magnon to a normal
human standing tall, who then picks up a rake  starts to bend
down again as a result,  so on through a jackhammer until he's
sitting worshipfully at a computer keyboard.

I boosted the blue (Colours, Curves) a fair bit, then desaturated
that for a slightly sharper-looking monochrome image.

Not sure why artists do this, but the modern-man figures were
all Caucasian,  boosting the blue up fairly strongly, emphasised
the contrast between these fellows  everyone else up to Mr
Cro-Magnon, inclusive, who all had fairly mid-range colours..

Cheers; Leon
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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread norman

  I would like to be able to produce a black and white negative image
  from an ordinary colour image. The effect I would like to produce
  would be to imitate what one would get if you took a colour,
  positive transparency and made a contact print on to either
  orthographic or lithographic film. Thus, blue would be black and
  red would be clear and transparent. Have you any suggestions how to
  approach this using the Gimp, please.
 
 
 Colors-Components-Decompose (elseqwhee if you are on gimp 2.2, b ut 
 still decompose)
 
 and pick only the Hue  channel.
 
 You cna tehn use colors-curves, or colors--levels to equate your 
 previous blue to black and your previous red to white.

Thank you for that. I cannot see a channel labelled as Hue, perhaps I
am looking in the wrong place. I am using Gimp 2.4.0-rc3.

Would it then be possible to actually have the white areas transparent?
Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread norman

 snip 

 Decompose you image to RGB components.
 In the new image, hide the red and green layers.
 Add a layermask to the blue layer, initialized to a Grayscale copy of  
 the layer.
 Fill the blue layer with black.
 
 OPTIONAL: Most orthochromatic film would respond to some extent to  
 green, so repeat the last two steps on the green layer, make it  
 visible, and set its opacity to a relatively low value (0-30%).

This is very interesting and to a learner like me not too complicated.
Perhaps I did not do it quite right but I have what appears to be an
overlay of small black and white squares. How do I get rid of that?
 
 This method is a bit crude, but should provide something not entirely  
 unsuitable. A more accurate approach would probably entail applying  
 appropriate curves to the different color channels.

Crude or not it looks very effective and a good starting point. Thank
you.

Norman



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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread saulgoode
There should be no white in the resulting image. When you decompose to  
RGB (Colors-Components-Decompose), you end up with a grayscale  
image with three layers -- one each for the red, green, and blue  
components.

When you add the layermasks, you are basically making the the black  
parts of the layers transparent and the white parts opaque. When you  
fill the layer with black, you convert the opaque parts to black.

The end result is a layer consisting of black parts and transparent  
parts (your lithographic negative). There should be no white in your  
image.

Perhaps you could describe the steps you are taking which produced an  
overlay of white and black squares?

Quoting norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 This is very interesting and to a learner like me not too complicated.
 Perhaps I did not do it quite right but I have what appears to be an
 overlay of small black and white squares. How do I get rid of that?

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Re: [Gimp-user] colour to black and white

2007-10-25 Thread saulgoode
Oops, I just realized that what you describe may be attributed to the  
fact that GIMP will display a dark gray/light gray checkerboard to  
indicate transparent regions. Perhaps you have created your lithograph  
correctly but misinterpreted this representation of transparency.

You might try creating a new white layer and placing it at the bottom  
of the layerstack to show the regions where your image is transparent.



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