Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
Liam R E Quin writes: > If that's not how the terms are used, please file a bug. Done. >> Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have >> any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor. > > They work fine here, but you have to have selected some text on the > canvas. I cannot select text when the editor is active. I have to close the editor, select text on the canvas, and then [x] Use editor on the options panel. It is (still) not clear what "change baseline" is supposed to do. >> When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work >> anymore. > works here (but I have a pre-release of 2.8) although you can't select > text. Yes, not being able to select text is what I referred do. -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
On 2012-05-09 at 08:20 Johan said: > it sure looks handy and efficient. It still needs some work, though. That sums it up nicely! -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 09:20 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: > Since we now have three ways to control text properties there's a risk > of confusing descriptions. For example, the text options panel has > "Adjust line spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change baseline of > selected font". Kerning and letter spacing are not the same thing. Or shouldn't be ;-) Kerning automatically adjust spacing between letters, e.g. moving V and A closer together so that they look as if they are evenly spaced. Kerning uses data included with the fonts. Pair Kerning normally has two settings (on and off); adjusting the spacing between a specific pair of characters is also called kerning - either "every V/A pair" or "this particular pair". Letter spacing is a constant amount of space added to (or subtracted from) the glyph advance between every pair of characters. If that's not how the terms are used, please file a bug. > Several features do not seem to function properly. In particular, the > text editor seems to behave strange. Yes, the text editor does not support all of the typographical features. There was a move to remove it, but there are useability problems with removing it - especially when you have text on a path, or if your text doesn't all fit on the screen. > Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have > any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor. They work fine here, but you have to have selected some text on the canvas. > Changing it in the 'classical' tool options dialog does work. > > When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work > anymore. works here (but I have a pre-release of 2.8) although you can't select text. > In the text editor, when you want to change e.g. the font size of a > piece of text, strange things happen. For example, select the word > "quick" and then go to the font size field and use the mouse wheel. The > selection is lost and although the font size (number) changes, no text > is affected. yes. > > I consider these "first release" inconveniences that beyond doubt will > get fixed soon. Especially if you report them so the developers discover it too, and even sooner if you include a patch :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml The barefoot typographer ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
Maurice writes: > For users of the Text facility, there is a handy tutorial: > http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-text-management.html Thanks! I needed some experimenting to get used to the new facility but it sure looks handy and efficient. It still needs some work, though. Since we now have three ways to control text properties there's a risk of confusing descriptions. For example, the text options panel has "Adjust line spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change baseline of selected font". The options panel has "Adjust letter spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change kerning of selected text". The text editor seems to be consistent with the tool box overlay. Several features do not seem to function properly. In particular, the text editor seems to behave strange. See e.g. http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/uploads/3CAk4t63w4ZFPF_047osONJA.png In the text options, the kerning is adjusted with +10. This can be seen on the canvas. The second word "the" has had the kerning changed back to 0. In the text editor, the text is not shown with +10 kerning and, surprise, the second word "the" is not unkerned, but lowered. Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor. Changing it in the 'classical' tool options dialog does work. When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work anymore. In the text editor, when you want to change e.g. the font size of a piece of text, strange things happen. For example, select the word "quick" and then go to the font size field and use the mouse wheel. The selection is lost and although the font size (number) changes, no text is affected. I consider these "first release" inconveniences that beyond doubt will get fixed soon. All by all the new text features are promising. -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
On 2012-05-07 at 20:28 I said: > will hold on until Mageia updates to 2.8. For users of the Text facility, there is a handy tutorial: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-text-management.html -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
On 2012-05-07 at 16:14 Johan said: > This is what I see: > > http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/uploads/3CNiW0hrN9QignV--SLV4-sQ.png Ah, now that looks fine! Thanks, Johan. Looks like 2.7.4's version is 'work in progress' between what 2.6 does and 2.8 does, so will hold on until Mageia updates to 2.8. Thank you nce again , Regards, -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
On 2012-05-06 at 21:47 Johan said: > With 2.8RC1: > > (1) A window appears showing the current font settings > (2) A 'dynamic window' appears where the text entered appears. Mmm. That's what 2.6 does also. Perhaps there's a bug in 2.7.4? Johan, when you say (in (2)) "...where the text entered appears", does anything also appear in the 'font settings' window as you enter text? > Did you abuse the Font field of the font settings window for text > entry? No, I didn't touch the Font field. The only thing that happened in that window was that any text entered appeared there in the top left- hand field (but - sadly - not in the 'dynamic' field). Regards, -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
Maurice writes: > I would be most grateful if someone could confirm this (as it might be > some setting I've missed): > > With Gimp 2.7.4 (and presumably later), if you select 'Text' (the big > 'A'), then click somewhere on an image, two things will appear: > > (1) At the place where you clicked, a 'dynamic' window* will appear > (2) Above it a text-entry window will appear. > > When text is entered into (2), it does *not* appear in (1). Agreed? > (Whereas with Gimp 2.6, it *does*.) With 2.8RC1: (1) A window appears showing the current font settings (2) A 'dynamic window' appears where the text entered appears. Did you abuse the Font field of the font settings window for text entry? I must admit that I haven't yet figured out how to use the font settings 'window'. -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility
During my trialling of Mageia-2 (Beta3) I find it provides Gimp 2.7.4, but the Text function doesn't work as in 2.6. I would be most grateful if someone could confirm this (as it might be some setting I've missed): With Gimp 2.7.4 (and presumably later), if you select 'Text' (the big 'A'), then click somewhere on an image, two things will appear: (1) At the place where you clicked, a 'dynamic' window* will appear (2) Above it a text-entry window will appear. When text is entered into (2), it does *not* appear in (1). Agreed? (Whereas with Gimp 2.6, it *does*.) Can anyone see how to make the text also appear in the 'dynamic' window (apart from manual Copy/Paste)? (* I don't know what the Gimp term for that window is.) Many thanks! -- /\/\aurice (Reitred in Surrey, UK) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text'
On 2012-05-04 at 17:29 I said: > with 2.7.4, the text-entry window is much smaller, with no > apparent adjustment control, and any text entered does not appear in > the white panel. > (But I did discover that one could cut-paste from one to the > other, though the dynamic box seems more difficult to adjust.) > >So the previously simple process has become a messy slog. > > Have I misssed some setting/adjustment in the new Text function? What was the purpose of the 2.7.4 change to the Text function? In what sense is it an improvement? Who is supposed to benefit? I am willing to adapt to the new way if there is a way of adjusting it to perform as conveniently as in 2.6... Regards, -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text'
On 2012-05-04 at 20:14 someone said: > mageMagick wil do it: > http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/#text_operators Command-line functions are no good for this job. You need to be looking at the image, so that you can: (1) See what the annotation should be (2) See that the text is positioned correctly, and of suitable size and font. Gimp is (was) perfect for that - simple and smooth. In case I can't find a suitable GUI alternative, I have put a block on any further updates to Gimp on Mandriva. Regards, -- /\/\aurice ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text'
On Thursday 03 May 2012 15:53:31 (in 'Hate the new...' thread) I wrote: > I am not "repeatedly saving/exporting' to JPG", but only > once per image (to write annotation), Using Gimp 2.6 on a Mandriva system. I have happily been using a combination of Imagemagick's 'Convert' and Gimp to write annotation at the foot of certain directories of .jpg images: (1) Place a white panel at the foot of each image: - for img in *.jpg do convert $img -gravity South -background White -splice 0x50 $img done - (2) Take each image into Gimp (2.6), select Text, click on the white panel, and write the annotation into the white panel, then save/export (or whatever). A very simple, smooth, and effective solution. Now, however, I am working on Mageia-2 (Beta3), which provides Gimp 2.7.4, and - guess what - the Text function now works differently and (for my purpose) more clumsily, tripling the effort needed to write the text. With 2.6, selecting Text and clicking on the white panel brought up a text-entry window, such that any text entered also appeared in a dynamic window in the white panel. However, with 2.7.4, the text-entry window is much smaller, with no apparent adjustment control, and any text entered does *not* appear in the white panel. (But I did discover that one could cut-paste from one to the other, though the dynamic box seems more difficult to adjust.) So the previously simple process has become a messy slog. Have I misssed some setting/adjustment in the new Text function? (Alternatively, could anyone recommend a package that could perform the function of writing text into these image panels, please?) Regards, -- /\/\aurice (Retired in Surrey, UK) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
