Re: [Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial

2009-09-15 Thread David Gowers
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Bob Meetin  wrote:
> Subject says it all.  I have a large assortment of product pictures
> which I need to give uniform backgrounds, preferably white.  Can someone
> point me to a tutorial that discusses how?  You can see a representative
> sample image at: http://www.dottedi.biz/images/diagnostics/DSC_4355.JPG.
> They can probably live with the shadows if I can lose the bulk of the
> background.
>
> Thx, Bob

For this kind of thing, there is the name 'greenscreening', in which a
matte, contrasting color is used as a background for an object,
allowing the object to be easily separated from the background.

In that case, Foreground-select is ideal.
However, you basically have the opposite: A photo of a bluish-gray
object on a bluish-gray background. Naturally this is very hard to
separate automatically!
So for such pathological cases, paths is probably a better choice.

Smoothness is not a big deal (in fact the selection created by
foreground-select is entirely binary, no smoothing involved)... this
is because you can convert the selection to path and then that path
back to selection if you want it smoother.

If I needed to handle your example in the way you want, I would:
* use foreground-select to get a rough approximation (make sure that
there are no 'holes' by marking areas as foreground as needed)
* enter QuickMask mode (click the icon to the left of the scrollbar)
* select paintbrush with an appropriate brush and black color, paint
away the wrongly selected parts
* exit QuickMask mode (click the icon to the left of the scrollbar)
* Select->To Path
* Tweak the path if needed
* right click on the path in the Paths dialog -> 'Path to Selection'

If your example wasn't pathological (ie if it had a good contrasting
background), I would just use foreground select, convert to a path,
tweak the path, and convert it back to a selection.

Afterwards in either case, I'd probably just Select->Invert and fill
with white (like this: http://i26.tinypic.com/bdpjm0.jpg )
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Re: [Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial

2009-09-15 Thread Chris Mohler
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Bob Meetin  wrote:
> I have seen this before but never used it for a project.  Okay now I played
> with it for a few minutes.  There must be some trick/finesse to getting it
> to zero in on the subject, really on the subject's edges.  By following the
> instructions in Figure 13.26 and keep redrawing the line the border gets
> pretty mixed up in the shadow areas especially.  Maybe it's my inexperience,
> but I can actually get a smoother edged selection by using the Paths tool.

Paths tool is a good choice.

Here's a "poor man's isolation method":
http://yfrog.com/b5dsc4355retouchj

This is just a levels adjustment (Colors->Levels): "auto", then pull
the highlight slider in toward the center.  As you can see it's not
perfect, but if the BG is the same on all the pics, it might be a
time-saver since a little erasing here and there should be enough to
clean up afterwards.

HTH,
Chris
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Re: [Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial

2009-09-15 Thread Bob Meetin

Paul Hartman wrote:

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Bob Meetin  wrote:
  

Subject says it all.  I have a large assortment of product pictures
which I need to give uniform backgrounds, preferably white.  Can someone
point me to a tutorial that discusses how?  You can see a representative
sample image at: http://www.dottedi.biz/images/diagnostics/DSC_4355.JPG.
They can probably live with the shadows if I can lose the bulk of the
background.



The documentation :)

http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-foreground-select.html

(not sure which version of Gimp it was written for or which version
you're using)
  
I have seen this before but never used it for a project.  Okay now I 
played with it for a few minutes.  There must be some trick/finesse to 
getting it to zero in on the subject, really on the subject's edges.  By 
following the instructions in* Figure 13.26 *and keep redrawing the line 
the border gets pretty mixed up in the shadow areas especially.  Maybe 
it's my inexperience, but I can actually get a smoother edged selection 
by using the Paths tool.  2.4.5 on Ubuntu - Bob
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Re: [Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial

2009-09-15 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Bob Meetin  wrote:
> Subject says it all.  I have a large assortment of product pictures
> which I need to give uniform backgrounds, preferably white.  Can someone
> point me to a tutorial that discusses how?  You can see a representative
> sample image at: http://www.dottedi.biz/images/diagnostics/DSC_4355.JPG.
> They can probably live with the shadows if I can lose the bulk of the
> background.

The documentation :)

http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-foreground-select.html

(not sure which version of Gimp it was written for or which version
you're using)
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[Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial

2009-09-15 Thread Bob Meetin
Subject says it all.  I have a large assortment of product pictures 
which I need to give uniform backgrounds, preferably white.  Can someone 
point me to a tutorial that discusses how?  You can see a representative 
sample image at: http://www.dottedi.biz/images/diagnostics/DSC_4355.JPG. 
They can probably live with the shadows if I can lose the bulk of the 
background.

Thx, Bob

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