NT Stuff

2003-01-15 Thread Kurth Bemis
This is why I don't like MS. Running Win2k Server We had that problem with the server not responding after a period of no traffic. The server itself wasn't asleep it seemed that i just refused to take network traffic. I was trying to figure out why it was doing this so I went into

Re: NT Stuff

2003-01-15 Thread bscott
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, at 9:22am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A freaking checkbox labeled Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power. Is there a reason that MS feels that this is an Option? Does the power that that card uses really make THAT big a difference? On laptops, the

Re: NT Stuff

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
I've seen something similar with my laptop Win 2k using a wireless card. Everything works fine until the laptop, running on battery, desides to go to standby mode. When the system wakes up it's pretty much impossible to revive the network connection off the wireless card. Just plain bad design

Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread bscott
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, at 10:37am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen something similar with my laptop Win 2k using a wireless card. Everything works fine until the laptop, running on battery, desides to go to standby mode. When the system wakes up it's pretty much impossible to revive the

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
It's been a while since I deliberately forced the machine into standby although it would only take a few minutes. My vague recollection is that stopping/removing/reinserting the card didn't help. In fact I concluded at the time that it was YAWB (yet another Windows Bug). If I had a nickel for

Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Mark Komarinski
Without getting into the why are you using X to do the job: I've got a csh script in an arbitrary location. But I need to know from within the script where it exists in the directory structure. The reason for that is I need to source a file from within that same directory (where the script is).

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Mark Komarinski wrote: =Without getting into the why are you using X to do the job: = =I've got a csh script in an arbitrary location. But I need to know =from within the script where it exists in the directory structure. The =reason for that is I need to source a file from

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
I just read a write-up of the Ahtlon bug at http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-21-001-20-NW-KN They describe a simple workaround and perhaps the problem is fairly machine specific. I have a 900 mhz Athlon Thunderbird processor (Gigabyte mother board) and haven't seen this

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:43:42PM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:34:28PM -0500, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Without getting into the why are you using X to do the job: I've got a csh script in an arbitrary location.

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: echo $0 in the script in both irix and linux gives: -tcsh How about $_ instead of $0 ? (I just tested this; it works for me) Regards, --kevin PS It's unclear to me as to why your system is printing out tcsh instead of csh. -- Listen, this

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:44:44PM -0500, Derek Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:20:12PM -0500, Mark Komarinski wrote: Without getting into the why are you using X to do the job: Who, us? ;-) I've got a csh script in an arbitrary

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:47:56PM -0500, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: echo $0 in the script in both irix and linux gives: -tcsh How about $_ instead of $0 ? _: undefined variable. (I just tested this; it works for me) Regards, --kevin PS

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that as the software is distributed now, you have to create a link in the root directory to the location of where the software actually sits (which is arbitrary due to NFS and how things are configured). Perhaps you could solve this

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Mark Komarinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 02:47:56PM -0500, Kevin D. Clark wrote: How about $_ instead of $0 ? _: undefined variable. (I just tested this; it works for me) I'm not trying to make an incendiary comment here. If whatever csh-flavored shell

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread bscott
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, at 11:34am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. My favorite (not) windows bugs are the ones associated with the AMD K6 processors. You end up with a very unstable machine but when you put Linux or any of the NT variants on these systems magically everything works. To be fair,

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
Thing is though Ben, the machine I had the most trouble with was manufactured by a now merged PC company called Compaq. With the original factory installation the machine wouldn't run more than an hour or so without crashing or blue screening. You're probably quite right about a lot of systems not

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
Ben Scott pointed out: Keep in mind that the HCL (Hardware Compatibility List) for Microsoft Windows is a lot shorter than the pool of available hardware. If it is not on the HCL, Microsoft makes no promises as to whether Windows will work. We had the same sort of issue on Digital UNIX/Tru64

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread bscott
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, at 12:16pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thing is though Ben, the machine I had the most trouble with was manufactured by a now merged PC company called Compaq. That's nice. Was it on the HCL? :-) With the original factory installation the machine wouldn't run more than

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
I wouldn't say quick to point the finger. It took me quite a long time to come to the conclusion that there was a CPU/Windows interaction. And yes, now that you mention it I've see a few Intel boards be unstable under Windows. Truth is, there really is engineering involved in building a stable

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
I think a really sad thing about our technology is that name brands don't necessarily mean the system will be all that good. For every pissed off Compaq customer I've found a pissed off Dell customer. That goes for most of the vendors out there. They mostly provide support from the same third

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Mark Komarinski
Having worked support before, I can say that it is one of the few areas that is considered a money sink. Thus, interaction with customers always gets the short end of the stick (think: voice mail hell). Unfrotunately, that leads to the situation you describe - customers hate vendor X and don't

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Michael O'Donnell
The short answer is: it can't be done, at least not in any manner that won't cause projectile vomiting, so just remember that you asked... A hack like this might start with the understanding that scripts are not, in themselves, executable. What's really happening when you execute a script is

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Bayard R. Coolidge
Another solution, albeit extremely fugly, would be to 'exec somenewscriptname' from csh that would have #! /bin/sh or whatever defined and then have that script execute in a bash environment and do whatever machinations you need. I don't envy - the constraints are obvious, and obviously

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
Derek, I think you just made my point! For every happy user you can find one almost equally unhappy. As another data point I helped someone out with their problem about a year ago. They had purchased a shiny new HP Pavilion desktop system. They tried and failed to reliably connect to 3 different

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread Michael O'Donnell
Some followup examples, with the last one showing how it can fail: shrapnel:/tmp 165--- cat /tmp/nastyHack ; chmod a+x /tmp/nastyHack cd $* # Stand in specified directory ($HOME if none), echo PWD is $PWD# confirm our location, ls -CFl /proc/$$/fd #

Re: Where am I (csh)

2003-01-15 Thread bscott
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, at 2:57pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I ever mention that life in academics is a lot different from life in the business world? Yah, in the business world, they want you to do everything you have to do in academia, and make a profit, too. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL

Re: Wireless weirdness (was: NT Stuff)

2003-01-15 Thread Hewitt Tech
Geez Ben, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! ;^) And remember those damned things were built specifically so the manufacturer could save $2 or $3 on the cost of the modem. -Alex - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greater NH Linux User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]