On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:26:43 -0400, Bruce Labitt bruce.lab...@myfairpoint.net
wrote:
Had an interesting conversation this evening. A snipped
version basically was:
op: You like to use a lot of Open Source Software don't
you? Don't you know it is not 'standard' here?
me: Hmm. What
Had an interesting conversation this evening. A snipped
version basically was:
op: You like to use a lot of Open Source Software don't
you? Don't you know it is not 'standard' here?
me: Hmm. What part of free, efficient and fast don't you
care for?
op: (no answer)
I appreciate the
But really, nobody got fired for buying the standard,
i.e. what everyone else is buying.
People get fired because the project does not work...it makes little
difference if the failed solution is standard or not.
md
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Makes me be more productive *is* the point. Why would anyone want to be
less productive ?
Oh, and anyone could read, reproduce, test or execute the work. Sounds like
a positive proposition to me.
On Apr 8, 2011 8:18 AM, Ric Werme ewe...@comcast.net wrote:
Had an interesting conversation this
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:33:29 -0400, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
But really, nobody got fired for buying the standard,
i.e. what everyone else is buying.
People get fired because the project does not work...it makes little
difference if the failed solution is standard or not.
I
Why do many large organizations tend to resist FOSS? Discuss.
FUD...utilizing the true definitionof the unknown.
Even today there are lots of people in IT management who started after
the beginning of Microsoft and Appleand other systems companies
who utilized closed source. Buying a
This whole conversation reminds me of the contention that existed
between Cobol and Fortran programmers. Put one or more of either into a
team with the others, and you're got a recipe for instant gray haired
managers - especially when reviewing each other's code!
I worked with a man who wrote a
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Why do many large organizations tend to resist FOSS? Discuss.
FUD...utilizing the true definitionof the unknown.
Even today there are lots of people in IT management who started after
the beginning of Microsoft and
On 04/08/2011 09:02 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
Why do many large organizations tend to resist FOSS? Discuss.
FUD...utilizing the true definitionof the unknown.
Even today there are lots of people in IT management who started after
the beginning of Microsoft and Appleand other
I'll be a bit of a Devil's Advocate here.
On 04/08/2011 09:02 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
Why do many large organizations tend to resist FOSS? Discuss.
FUD...utilizing the true definitionof the unknown.
Even today there are lots of people in IT management who started after
the
'Buying a solution' is how we always approach things. We don't build
our own cars or houses from kits anymore - we buy them pre-built.
Sometimes buying a solution is one way of solving a problem,
particularly if the solution fits the problem. However if the solution
does not fit the problem,
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio k...@jots.org wrote:
I clicked on a link in a c. '99 Linux article, and wound up here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/LDP
Another 404 page that pleases the inner geek:
https://github.com/flyingmachine/clean-up-your-mess
(roll your mouse over the
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 10:54 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote:
Along the same lines, if you already have a staff of .NET developers,
why make them learn PHP and Drupal when they can just do something in
SharePoint?
Sometimes an organization needs to step back and review what they're
doing and
On Fri, April 8, 2011 10:54 am, Mark Komarinski wrote:
Be honest here, how many of you built your home desktop from scratch?
How about your parents? Why do you think there's a discrepancy in those
numbers?
I have, many times -- including the desktop sitting at my left this very
moment. So
How does one innovate if one has to do *everything* in a standard
fashion?
Exactly! And now you have touched on another sore spot I have with
today's managementthey do not see IT as a strategic resource.
Some managers treat IT today as if it is a commodity, something that
has to happen
Huh? You saw sessions freeze for as long as a *full minute* and after
disabling compression you're no longer seeing that problem? Hrmmm
Compression can certainly slow things down sometimes but I can't think
how even unnecessary triple redundant compression could all by itself
block traffic
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
If everyone uses the same software in exactly the same way, then it is a
commodity...but how to you get ahead of your competitor that way?
But if someone innovates *ANY TIME THEY CAN* it does from
innovation, to being an
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
But if someone innovates *ANY TIME THEY CAN* it does from
innovation, to being an oddity. And not all companies who USE
does = goes. :-D
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Thomas,
But to the original posters comments, the right solution isn't, by
default, 'FOSS'.
I do not know what question you are trying to answer, perhaps
How do list members respond to this line of questioning?
But the question I am trying to answer, also from the original poster
was:
Why do
On 04/08/2011 11:15 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
Not the same issuethis is apples and oranges. I am not asking the
managers to write the solution themselves. I am advocating that they
hire experts to create it for them.
Hiring someone (for non-core business purposes) is probably more
Do you honestly give a snot if the machine testing you for Cancer is
taking twice as long as it could if I'd implemented an innovating data
analysys algorithm?
Interesting you should ask that particular question.
The first Beowulf system I ever physically saw was at the University of
Sao Paulo,
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
So, do you think I give a snot? Sorry, I do.
The answer doesn't scale. That same 'problem' using a cluster years
ago can now be processed in *minutes* on a Xeon quad processor. I'm
actually leading a product right now
The answer doesn't scale.
Sorry, it scaled with the information you gave me.
That same 'problem' using a cluster years ago can now be processed in
*minutes* on a Xeon quad processor.
...and the capabilities of the ENIAC can be done on my wristwatch today.
o First of all, I am talking about
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Thomas,
But to the original posters comments, the right solution isn't, by
default, 'FOSS'.
I do not know what question you are trying to answer, perhaps
op: You like to use a lot of Open Source Software don't
you? Don't
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
The answer doesn't scale.
Sorry, it scaled with the information you gave me.
John, *you* provided the information that everyone should always be
trying to inovate. If I misunderstood your point, my bad. My point
is, when
John, *you* provided the information that everyone should always be
trying to inovate.
Pardon me, I said that a lot of IT managers are now looking at IT as a
non-strategic resource, and therefore do not look at it as something
where they should innovate. I do not believe I *ever* said *everyone*
The assumption of the original question, as stated, was that there was
some resistance, when the conversation he quoted, depending on tone,
could very well have been used to enlighten, instead of a condesending,
'If your not in the IN crowd, your obviously an idiot'.
I read this part, read your
Thanks, one and all, for your insights. I hadn't intended
this thread to quite play out the way it did, but it was at
the very least entertaining in some way.
I don't develop software for a living. I do use programming
languages to model systems, to create product(s) with new
capabilities,
A few comments:
md wrote:
As a Free Software Evangelist I have often advised people that if they
have a system that is working perfectly fine, paid up licenses, on
hardware that is cost effective, then they are typically foolish to try
and move that to FOSS, for that will be the all pain and
If ssh compression works anything like telnet message chunk sending, it could
be waiting for something that looks like a newline in the stream... 2 wrapped
compressed streams could break that state machine.
Eric
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Huh? You saw sessions freeze for as long as a
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