Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread SomeBloke
RonB wrote: Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Rjack
RonB wrote: Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced with

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Forced sharing through copyright misuse is illegal theft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 09:31:54AM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: Forced sharing through copyright misuse is illegal theft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: ...For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way... http://www.tbradford.org/2008/09/kinder-gentler-free-software-license.html That is because the author misunderstands the purpose of the license. It is not about freedom for programmers. They are in

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2008-09-16, Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] The lawyer representing Skype still continued to argue for a bit into that direction, which resulted one of the judges making up an interesting analogy of something like: If a publisher wants to publish a book of an author

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Here's a bit more sensible judge Rui's judge was sitting on a case. Your judge is commenting from the peanut gallery. Guess which one carries more weight. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ LOL! http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/gpl-violations/index.html -- Wed, 13 Aug 2008 gpl-violations.org report in Financial Times Deutschland The German business newspaper Financial Times Deutschland

NYC LOCAL: Thursday 18 September 2008 UNIGROUP: Evan Prodromou on the Laconica Project, micro-blogging, and the XMPP protocol

2008-09-16 Thread secretary
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Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] The funny thing is that his proposed license is not a license (since it - The GPL is not a tool for freedom, it is a tool of control, and I argue that its overall effect on the art of software development as a whole has been more destructive than it has been

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-16 Thread Rjack
7 wrote: Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Rjack wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing: So So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general love for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly does feel that way.

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
Alexander Terekhov wrote: The GPL is not a tool for freedom, it is a tool of control, and I argue that its overall effect on the art of software development as a whole has been more destructive than it has been beneficial. Even if that were true, that's fine - it is not the goal of the FSF to

GPL 2(b) HUH?

2008-09-16 Thread Rjack
It is interesting to note that compiling the source code of standard program packages of independently authored c code (and assembler) like the Linux kernel does not create a derivative work. Some people think that compiling module1.c, module2.c, . . . into -o prgm translates the source code into

Re: Battle for Wesnoth relicensing

2008-09-16 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - ESR is suggesting using the NoDerivs option from Creative Commons. Since Wesnoth as a whole is a derived work of its media files, I could imagine this making it illegal to distribute the game at all. The same It may be a

Re: Freedom. . . the GPL benefit

2008-09-16 Thread 7
Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Rjack wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing: So So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general love for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly does feel that way. As a

Re: Battle for Wesnoth relicensing

2008-09-16 Thread rixed
People should be free to modify software because when they can't, they risk privacy problems, compatibility problems, lack of control of their daily lives, lack of control over their data, etc. These issues aren't the same for music and art. Yes, but these technical issues comes as side

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Firey Bird
Rjack wrote: So over the weekend I began to think about the GPL and my general disdain for it. For a license that is touted as 'free', it certainly doesn't feel that way. As a libertarian, I've often found myself baffled by the leftist stance that freedom has to be enforced with