Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: I think that this kind of activity will go on simply because it is fun for the participants to do so. They care not for any licensing or other restrictions. Are you deliberately missing the point? These people are able to do what they do because the machines they run

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: There is no benefit to the community of any real significance in harassing them over adding one more site to download from. All that seems to achieve is to give credibility to Ballmer's warning that Linux is a sort of cancer that a business whould be smart to avoid.

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Hadron wrote: It's a problem with real people in the real world. What is the antecedent of your it? Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage. It's why the most used commercial SW projects in the world do not give out their source codes as a general rule. If

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hadron
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Hadron wrote: It's a problem with real people in the real world. What is the antecedent of your it? Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage. It's why the most used commercial SW projects in the world do not give out their

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Peter Köhlmann
Hadron wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Hadron wrote: It's a problem with real people in the real world. What is the antecedent of your it? Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage. It's why the most used commercial SW projects in the world do

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Hadron wrote: Err, so what? How will the FSF stop freeloaders stealing the code and giving nothing back? Duh. The only thing the GPL requires is compliance with its license. If you copy and distribute GPLed code, you must make the sources available. If you don't, and are found out, the

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread amicus_curious
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:rhgfl.17447$e%6.15...@newsfe04.iad... amicus_curious wrote: There is no benefit to the community of any real significance in harassing them over adding one more site to download from. All that seems to achieve is to give credibility to

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread amicus_curious
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com wrote in message news:trhfl.2504$19.1...@bignews5.bellsouth.net... After takin' a swig o' grog, Hyman Rosen belched out this bit o' wisdom: amicus_curious wrote: There is no benefit to the community of any real significance in harassing them over

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: I cannot believe that is the intended effect. The BusyBox copyright holders have pursued many such cases, so it seems that they are satisfied with the effects. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread amicus_curious
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:98gfl.1079$_a5@newsfe17.iad... amicus_curious wrote: I think that this kind of activity will go on simply because it is fun for the participants to do so. They care not for any licensing or other restrictions. Are you deliberately

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: It protects everyone from non-threats. It is the prerogative of copyright holders to license their work as they choose. It is up to them to decide what to regard as threatening, not their users (or random bystanders). ___

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
amicus_curious wrote: But they could and would do that anyway without the GPL. The device makers found that GPLed software was suited to their needs, and therefore the users have the source code available to them for modification. That is not the case with many other devices, where

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: amicus_curious wrote: ... That's what free software aims to accomplish, and that you find it preposterous says more about you than about the FSF. Indeed it does, as does the odd observation that people criticizing free software in this forum are more likely to

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Chris Ahlstrom
After takin' a swig o' grog, Hyman Rosen belched out this bit o' wisdom: amicus_curious wrote: There is no benefit to the community of any real significance in harassing them over adding one more site to download from. All that seems to achieve is to give credibility to Ballmer's warning

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Rahul Dhesi
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes of GPL violators as poor souls: But these poor souls are simply using embedded Linux/Busybox in lieu of more conventional Linux/GNU Utilities to run their applications. There is no benefit to the community of any real significance in harassing them over adding

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread chrisv
Hadron snotted: Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage. It's why the most used commercial SW projects in the world do not give out their source codes as a general rule. If they did their hard work would be distributed and cloned That doesn't explain any

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Rjack
Peter Köhlmann wrote: Hadron wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: Hadron wrote: It's a problem with real people in the real world. What is the antecedent of your it? Freeloaders, thieves and general scroungers will indeed take advantage. It's why the most used commercial SW

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote in message news:98gfl.1079$_a5@newsfe17.iad... amicus_curious wrote: I think that this kind of activity will go on simply because it is fun for the participants to do so. They care not for any licensing or other restrictions.

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Just ask the last five defendants who faced them. They came into compliance with the GPL, so there was no point in the cases going forward. That's why they settled. Courts do not hear cases where there are no disputes. ___

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Rjack
Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: The GPL is a legal delusion in Richard Stallman's marxist mind. It seems to be a solid enough delusion that Microsoft was very careful to make sure that its code would not fall under that license. Why would Microsoft ever want to give away their intellectual

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread Hyman Rosen
Rjack wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: The GPL is a legal delusion in Richard Stallman's marxist mind. It seems to be a solid enough delusion that Microsoft was very careful to make sure that its code would not fall under that license. Why would Microsoft ever want to give away their

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread chrisv
Rjack wrote: Cancer is a real disease. The GPL is a legal delusion in Richard Stallman's marxist mind. *plonk* Sincerely, Rjack :) Go fsck yourself, chrisv :) ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:xnydnsslns-x4elunz2dnuvz_o-wn...@giganews.com... Cancer is a real disease. The GPL is a legal delusion in Richard Stallman's marxist mind. Figuratively, of course, in the sense that it is a hidden defect with sudden and disasterous

Re: Microsoft needs a help strategy

2009-01-27 Thread David Kastrup
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid writes: Rjack wrote: Cancer is a real disease. The GPL is a legal delusion in Richard Stallman's marxist mind. *plonk* Sincerely, Rjack :) Go fsck yourself, I thought that was pretty much what he has been doing all the time here. -- David Kastrup