Re: When is a GPL program which runs in a web site 'conveyed'?

2008-07-07 Thread Tim Smith
. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: When is a GPL program which runs in a web site 'conveyed'?

2008-07-06 Thread Tim Smith
modification as being any change from the original. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: When is a GPL program which runs in a web site 'conveyed'?

2008-07-03 Thread Tim Smith
of wits. Somewhat annoying, but what do you expect? He's quoting a post of mine on Slashdot. Could you be so kind as to tell me where you think I'm wrong in that post? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-21 Thread Tim Smith
was made available on Actiontec's web site prior to the lawsuit? It wasn't there on the latest archived version of the site from before the lawsuit at archive.org. The date listed for it on the site is well after the lawsuit, too. -- --Tim Smith

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-20 Thread Tim Smith
a good bet the unilateral 41(a)1 is being used by the plaintiffs. So? Why do you think it significant that no stipulation was filed? If the prerequisites of 41(a)(1)(A)(i) were met, why would they not use that section, and make the simpler, smaller, filing? -- --Tim Smith

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-20 Thread Tim Smith
, and the money has been paid and the source is now available, what is there to potentially be breached? The plaintiffs got all they wanted, so there's nothing left for them to ask the court to order. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-20 Thread Tim Smith
, then SFLC sued, then source became available, and SFLC dropped the suit. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-20 Thread Tim Smith
pleadings are defective on their face due to lack of Copyright Office registration of the allegedly infringed works. The lack of a public settlement stipulation by both parties reinforces this scenario. Yet the source then appeared, which is what SFLC wanted. -- --Tim Smith

Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-19 Thread Tim Smith
in a copyright infringement case, the lawsuit is dismissed with prejudice. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Software Fictional Licensing Center (SFLC) Files Another Roundof GPL Violation Lawsuits

2008-06-19 Thread Tim Smith
infringement. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-19 Thread Tim Smith
the document! :-) -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Dismissal with prejudice is normal

2008-06-19 Thread Tim Smith
was not under 41(a)(1)(A)(i)? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Software Fictional Licensing Center (SFLC) Files Another Round of GPL Violation Lawsuits

2008-06-13 Thread Tim Smith
is valid and you are the owner, which is a nice thing to have). -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Using non-GPL libraries in a GPL program

2008-06-02 Thread Tim Smith
interface, linking the GPLed library in stops being a necessary step for the recipient for getting working software. It was never a necessary step. The software was fully functional without using any GPLed libraries. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc

Re: Using non-GPL libraries in a GPL program

2008-06-01 Thread Tim Smith
, there never seem to be either cases or statutes that back his position? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Using non-GPL libraries in a GPL program

2008-06-01 Thread Tim Smith
* arguments. The FSF and RMS make a lot of legal-sounding arguments that appear to actually be them stating what they wish the law to be, using terms somewhat similar to, not not always the same as, real legal terms. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: 4 OOXML links: Deprecated before use, BRM access, patents, pic

2008-02-20 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any particular reason for all that FUD here, rather than in a group where it would be on topic? Why is it FUD? The patent risk claims require reading the OSP in a way

Re: Document Freedom Day: March 26th ok for list? Yes or no

2008-02-20 Thread Tim Smith
. Why doesn't Sun actually free ODF: promise not to assert their relevant patents against any document format, and turn *real* control of ODF over to OASIS? Do you have any upcoming protests or marches or whatever to urge Sun to do this? -- --Tim Smith

Re: 4 OOXML links: Deprecated before use, BRM access, patents, pic

2008-02-19 Thread Tim Smith
Is there any particular reason for all that FUD here, rather than in a group where it would be on topic? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: My dad is a pirate.

2008-02-14 Thread Tim Smith
. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: I really don't know where to post this. GPL License question

2008-01-19 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Smith wrote: [...] If, on the other hand, you mean that you might take the display code from the PDF reader, and put that code IN your program, so it is just a subroutine you call, then you are going to have

Re: I really don't know where to post this. GPL License question

2008-01-14 Thread Tim Smith
to get picky if you make any slight licensing mistakes! -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

2008-01-04 Thread Tim Smith
rarely do). The readers of these four groups aren't worthy of 10 seconds of your time to check it before posting? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Free Software Lifestyle

2008-01-02 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ciaran O'Riordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I bet if you look around, you'll find that you are happily using plenty of things that use non-free software every day. This argument is: You can't attain perfection, so don't try

Re: Why is a lot of software proprietary?

2007-12-30 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because proprietariness turns reinvention of the wheel into a business model? Free software seems to do a hell of a lot of wheel reinvention, too. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc

Re: GPL Mere Aggregation question

2007-12-28 Thread Tim Smith
? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Getting rid of software patents = All software becomes free?

2007-12-11 Thread Tim Smith
On 2007-12-11, Andy Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you replace 'companies' with 'large companies' (who have the resources to lobby government, and the money to pay lawyers to enforce their patents), it makes more sense. Individually some of them might want to get out of it, but over the

Re: GNU/Linux Naming

2007-12-07 Thread Tim Smith
On 2007-12-05, Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, the proper name for the operating system is GNU and Linux provides one of it's kernels. The combination of these two words is GNU/Linux. If you used Sun's kernel you would call the system GNU/Solarix and if you used the BSD

Re: SFLC files 2nd intimidation suit

2007-11-26 Thread Tim Smith
On 2007-11-24, rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Smith wrote: On 2007-11-21, rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The designated donee beneficiaries of the GPL are obviously all third parties. Clearly the plaintiffs are parties to the GPL contract and cannot be a member of the class all third

Re: SFLC files 2nd intimidation suit

2007-11-23 Thread Tim Smith
On 2007-11-21, rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The designated donee beneficiaries of the GPL are obviously all third parties. Clearly the plaintiffs are parties to the GPL contract and cannot be a member of the class all third parties. Therefore the plaintiffs can suffer no injury by the

Re: The death of the GPL and Free Software

2007-11-07 Thread Tim Tyler
rjack wrote: Google just announced the end of the GPL and the Free Software Foundation's viral FUD. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=428 A ridiculous subject line. -- __ |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove lock to reply.

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Smith
: first sale. As more and more embedded systems use Linux, and more and more OEMs sell pre-built Linux systems, first sale is going to become very relevant. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: Free system that could be real Unix.

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Smith
) with a non-free GUI on top of it, presumably Darwin would be able to pass certification on its own. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-30 Thread Tim Smith
has permission to copy and make derivative works? Care to elaborate? has != had. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: The GPL and contract rescission

2007-09-27 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original licensors of GPL¹d BusyBox software have no standing to sue for material breach of the GPL license. Irrelevant, since they aren't suing for breach of GPL. They are suing for copyright infringement. -- --Tim Smith

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-27 Thread Tim Smith
and make derivative works to distribute those copyrighted works. Those actions are solely a contractual matter. Irrelevant, since plaintiff's claim is that Monsoon is not a party who has permission to copy and make derivative works. -- --Tim Smith

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: [...] You have no right to redistribute the software - with or without the source code - under copyright law, unless such freedom is granted by a license. Stop being such an idiot, Tyler. From Understanding Open Source and Free Software Licensing

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Re: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/24/open_source_railroad/ These guys have stripped out the header notices - can't they get them under the DMCA copyright law? ``Provision 4: Removing copyright management information -- The fourth

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
The saga: http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/docket/ The ruling: http://jmri.sourceforge.net/k/docket/158.pdf One bit not mentioned in the news stories: Although Defendants represent that they have voluntarily ceased all potentially infringing activities utilizing any of the disputed

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: An intellectual property license is a contract. In re: Aimster Copyright Litigation, 334 F.3d 643, 644 (7th Cir. 2003) (If a breach of contract (and a copyright license is just a type of contract) . . . ); see also McCoy v. Mitsuboshi Cutlery, Inc., 67 F.3d 917,

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: On 2007-08-28, Tim Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users do not agree to *anything* by the act of copying something. The worst that can happen is that they can subsequently be sued for copyright violation - since the user can simply claim that they never bothered

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-28 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: *If* the user agreed to a contract by simply copying, the world would be full of court cases where SlimeSoft had included in the small print of its license agreement: And by the act of copying this software, you hereby agree to sell all your

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-27 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: If they were contracts, you would have to sign them ... You're misinformed, that is just one of many forms to manifest assent. Assent may be manifested by written or spoken words, or by conduct. See also http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-27 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: If they were contracts, you would have to sign them ... You're misinformed, that is just one of many forms to manifest assent. Assent may be manifested by written or spoken words, or by conduct. See also

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-27 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Which license are you talking about? The [L]GPL (both 2 and 3) purports to impose a whole bunch of covenants (conditions but not conditions precedent) upon licensees. See, for example http://www.actonline.org/library/GPLv3-Contract-or-Copyright.html Accordingly,

Re: Open source licenses are /actually/ contracts?!?

2007-08-27 Thread Tim Tyler
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Tim Tyler wrote: [...] The [L]GPL (both 2 and 3) purports to impose a whole bunch of covenants (conditions but not conditions precedent) upon licensees. No it doesn't. [...] Regardless of what server hosts the Corresponding Source, you remain obligated

Re: Why distrust M$, but trust Sun?

2007-07-28 Thread Tim Smith
outside work accepted into OO.o. Thus, it's not really accurate to say that OO.o is independent of StarOffice and Sun. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Why distrust M$, but trust Sun?

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Smith
On 2007-07-26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And besides, open office might've been initially released by sun but it is independent of them. Open.Office.org develop open office. It's still managed by people from Sun, and they contribute most of the code.

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-27 Thread Tim Smith
software Microsoft started with is still free. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: License for selling software?

2007-01-09 Thread Tim Smith
a lot of support. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Do I have claim to the source-code?

2007-01-02 Thread Tim Smith
code, and there will be no one obligated to provide you with source. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: What is source ?

2006-08-19 Thread Tim Smith
. When party X promises something, and party Y detrimentally relies on that, then the doctrine of promissory estoppel can make it so there is effectively an enforcable contract. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: What is source ?

2006-08-19 Thread Tim Smith
develop an active community that might advance it to rival or surpass your commercial version. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL requirement could have a chilling effect on derivative distros

2006-06-30 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Actually, what Therekov forgets is that First Sale would apply to the plastic, and not to the content inside it. Alas. He's so... Therekov! Huh? What do you mean by the content inside of it? -- --Tim Smith

Re: GPL requirement could have a chilling effect on derivative distros

2006-06-29 Thread Tim Smith
relevant. You've overlooked the first sale doctrine. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL requirement could have a chilling effect on derivative distros

2006-06-28 Thread Tim Smith
vendor to actually modify or copy the code happened to use the GPL option that requires providing the source to anyone who asks will you have someone who is obligated to give you source. -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Commercial code is better: Cedega VS Wine

2006-03-21 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I am posting this on behalf of Richard Stallman, [EMAIL PROTECTED], at his request. The I below is rms.) Sure it is. And I'm Tony Blair. Do you have any particular reason to doubt him? RMS is known to have

Re: Commercial code is better: Cedega VS Wine

2006-03-21 Thread Tim Smith
. The content of the post matches RMS' known positions.c -- --Tim Smith ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Bill Gates doesn't want Americans working for him

2005-04-28 Thread Tim Smith
also donates a lot to Democrats, why do you choose to say big Republican donor? -- --Tim Smith ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Adobe Open Source License GPL compatible?

2005-04-20 Thread Tim Smith
. -- --Tim Smith ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

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