Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Marcel
On 11/11/19 4:20 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote: But if you mean me personally, > then no, I don't want to shame rms by trying to formulate what I think > we (as in we GNU hackers together) believe is the mission of the GNU > project. In fact I hope he will agree that it correctly describes what > we

Re: A purely GNU system?

2019-11-11 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Andreas, On Sat, 2019-11-09 at 22:55 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote: > On Sat, Nov 09, 2019 at 03:15:16PM -0600, Joel Sherrill wrote: > > Is glibc purely GNU? It borrows code from a variety of sources and > > was not written completely from scratch. (Although there are many > > parts

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Jean Louis
* Mark Wielaard [2019-11-11 14:50]: > Hi Brandon, > > On Fri, 2019-11-08 at 16:36 +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > > A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization > > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. When > > the moral compass of the

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi Brandon, On Fri, 2019-11-08 at 16:36 +, Brandon Invergo wrote: > A social contract is only a necessity in a community-run organization > because it helps prevent the organization from moving off-course. When > the moral compass of the organization is set and maintained by a leader > or

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Jean Louis
* Ludovic Courtès [2019-11-11 15:44]: > I think the whole “us vs. them” discourse, plus telling that “they” have > ulterior motives, is uncalled for. Once again, your scenario that “they” > are trying to publicly shame the GNU Project is not only insulting: it’s > implausible because “they”

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Brandon Invergo
Jean Louis, I stepped over a personal line in writing my message on Friday. I am moderating myself on this list now. > That is hypocrisy. The public shamings page as published by Guix and > Ludovic states "Joint statement on GNU project" while you are thinking > Dr. Stallman. You speak about

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-11 Thread Andreas
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 18:52 +0100, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > The dynamics I’ve observed over the last decade is that people who’d > like GNU to be more welcoming, more transparent, and/or community- > run, > would eventually give up and silently leave.  I’ve seen brilliant > people > leave, and

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2...@kylheku.com> skribis: > By the way, "contract" seems like a misnomer, because a contract is > a signed-off agreement between two parties (or more) in which they > exchange something of value; the contract requires a contribution > from at

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

2019-11-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Florian, Florian Weimer skribis: > You are very, very wrong. We are trying very hard to stay within GNU, > but the feedback we have received so far on GNU mail lists suggests > that we are not wanted here. There is a part of GNU that includes myself that really wants you (you personally,

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

2019-11-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi Brandon, Brandon Invergo skribis: > Given that nothing has changed in how GNU is being run, it appears that > the cart is being placed well before the horse. However, I would be > shocked if they didn't already expect rms not to step down and therefore > to reject their Social Contract