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Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:59:54 +0100:
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That is true. However, when you take two short stories, commingle
paragraphs from one of them with paragraphs from the other, connecting
them up with sentences of your own to give a new
. For the price of one year of Redhat service you
could buy Windows 2003 Server which is supported for 7 years.
For some value of supported, and some value of 7 years.
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of the message is entirely consistent with RMS's view. The
form of expression is also that of RMS, or at least a good forgery. I
don't know who the poster of the article, [EMAIL PROTECTED], is though.
And I'm Tony Blair.
Not something I'd admit to, if I were you. ;-)
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Linønut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 21 Mar 2006
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After takin' a swig o' grog, [EMAIL PROTECTED] belched out this bit o'
wisdom:
(I am posting this on behalf
of a computer program.
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that the GPL talks about - lots of independent
programs packaged together on a single CD or a single FTP site.
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just one big party? Or are we going to go
the Groucho Marx route? In this licence, the party of the third part
shall be known as the party of the third part; Hey, don't like this bit
either. ..
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to make sense of his idiotic literary work is
horrifying.
Actually, RMS's technical writing is perhaps the clearest, best organised
and most efficient on the whole planet.
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the GPL, it will also be licensed dually to use both the GPL and
Freedom License.
Fine.
Big yawn. What are you trying to say?
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Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 21:07:34 +0200:
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Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 16:46:18
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1. http://kororaa.org/index.php?entry=entry060521-200059
Stallman should be sued for damages to the global
Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:49 +0200:
Joerg Schilling wrote:
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Karen Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22 May 2006 16:49:50 -0700:
What is wrong with this? Commands like make have
Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 22:22:09 GMT:
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Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 23 May 2006 19:14:34 GMT:
GNU make has many bugs that prevent GNU make from being POSIX compliant.
OK.
Some
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with eachother, and
to get them to sound at the same time, at the right relative
intensities. That doesn't make it deserving of copyright status.
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On 2009-02-03, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss 7 website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com wrote:
Hyman Rosen wrote:
Wrong fool!
No, I think you might actually be the right one.
As I write the assembler code for how
will be contained, somehow, in that more
subtle machine code.
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an aggregation of multiple computer program works -- in
GNUspeak it is called mere aggregation.
Do you agree, Hyman?
Yes.
That is, indeed, the best answer. ;-)
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Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Hyman, Alan believes .
Hah! Some while ago, on this newsgroup, Alexander Terekhov said
he was a troll.
Have a nice day Alan
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
Anyhow, yes I agree that mere aggregation means what you just wrote.
The critical thing being NOTHING MORE than an aggregation. If two
pieces of code are linked together, this linking is a good deal more
than aggregation
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
An example of a mere aggregation is two books bound together in a
single spine. However, if two authors were to cooperate to produce a
single book, this would not be a mere aggretation - it would be a
tightly integrated whole - just
of a mere aggregation is two books bound together in a
single spine. However, if two authors were to cooperate to produce a
single book, this would not be a mere aggretation - it would be a
tightly integrated whole - just like a single binary resulting from a
compilation process.
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Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
Anyhow, yes I agree that mere aggregation means what you just wrote.
The critical thing being NOTHING MORE than an aggregation. If two
pieces of code are linked together, this linking is a good deal more
than aggregation
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
If I write foo.c and compile it to foo.o, I don't think there are pieces
there. I then link it with a few other files and it becomes the
executable foo. The only bits in there which aren't my copyright are
analogues of the book's
John Hasler j...@dhh.gt.org wrote:
Alan Mackenzie writes:
You're saying, I think, that this boilerplate code gives the
boilerplate's writer some degree of copyright in the executable program.
I'm not at all convinced o this. Certainly, the world doesn't seem to
work this way in practice
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote:
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The only other components in the executable will be boilerplate
No. Those components may include entire implementations of things
like formatting floating point numbers into strings, trigonometric
functions, calendar functions, and so
from scratch, or instead to modify a BSD licensed original.
Sincerely,
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applicable 'to all'. I think
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always mean what it seems to to the legally inexperienced.
It seems overwhelmingly likely that you are simply mistaken.
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Section 5 of the GPL is legal nonsense.
I think you may have mentioned this before, once or twice.
The GPL was formulated by experienced lawyers, with good
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
The GPL was formulated by experienced lawyers, with good understanding
of copyright and contract law. Do bear in mind that the law doesn't
always mean what it seems to to the legally inexperienced
somebody has been sued for
infringement of the GPL (whichever version), and the resolution of the
legal process has allowed him to continue infringing the GPL?
Sincerely,
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[...]
Tell me, have there been any cases where somebody has been sued for
infringement of the GPL (whichever version), and the resolution of the
legal process has allowed him to continue infringing the GPL
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
Is RMS a socialist?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/12/cuba_does_linux/
-
Cuba has launched its own Linux variant, dubbed Nova.
The Nova project has been cooking away for the past year
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
Tell me, have there been any cases where somebody has been sued for
infringement of the GPL (whichever version
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
I was assuming you'd have already checked it, and would want to save
others on the newsgroup, including me, from needless work. Have you
checked it, Alex? Does the download offered on that page
'ten Tag, Peter!
In gnu.misc.discuss Peter K?hlmann peter.koehlm...@arcor.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
snip
But then, you're familiar with the details. Is there any evidence in
this case that this dismissal has allowed the defendant (Verizon) to
continue infringing the GPL?
Read
Hi, Alex!
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
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[...]
I was assuming you'd have already checked it, and would want to save
others on the newsgroup, including me, from needless work. Have you
checked it, Alex? Does the download offered
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
He knows just too well that Verizon is actually in compliance now, and for
that reason can distribute the binaries.
Yes, I've kind of gathered that.
Verizon. Is. Not. In. Complience. Got it now
Hi, Alex!
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Take off your blinders, Alan.
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
(from the complaint)
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amount of
financial consideration paid to the plaintiffs by Actiontec.
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
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Would you format your paragraphs properly in future, please?
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote:
So they [SFLC] didn't suddenly become aware of anything at
all. They just became suddenly aware
are not
onerous or difficult to understand, at least not for most people.
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Rjack u...@example.net writes:
Since apparently we are not talking about either of those specific
situations, it is hard to see what your problem is.
I don't think it's at all hard to see what RJack's problem is.
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likely to want the source of the version embedded in their
Actiontec box. For example, to diagnose a problem, or to complain
about its out-of-dateness, or to check it for security problems.
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Would you format your paragraphs properly in future, please?
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So they [SFLC] didn't suddenly become
, or Oracle, or some other major software
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of that software.
It isn't like anything was hidden.
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It seems to me, you're in favour of ignoring the GPL's conditions, yet
are in favour of conforming to the conditions of proprietary licenses.
Why?
As I
for the packages they install.
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Well, thanks, and all that, yet again! I'm happy for people to learn
about my code, and modify it. I would NOT be happy about somebody
starting off from
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Speaking
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In gnu.misc.discuss
In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:35:17 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
They sell a comprehensive solution that is dependent on their
hardware, just like Actiontec sells a router as a comprehensive
functional device.
No, actually, OS/X isn't
, they might fix
their legal setup.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/04/1615250
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Just as an aside, wouldn't it be a smart move for high tech companies to
avoid doing business in Eastern
is a standard Usenet abbreviation for I am not a lawyer. It's
been around for donkey's years, HTH :-).
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, not the name you give it.
Sincerely,
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Doug Mentohl wrote:
Rjack wrote:
For the past seventy years no federal court has ever ruled a
copyright license to be anything other than a contract.
Who cares
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
All sounds rather parochial to me. There are a great deal more than
merely fifty different systems of law under which the GPL operates.
Yeah, such as
Er, this one for example:
http://www.jbb.de
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
[...]
All sounds rather parochial to me. There are a great deal more than
merely fifty different systems of law
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
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[...]
http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_frankfurt_gpl.pdf
Not really convincing example, Alan.
No, I suppose not. An actual court, with an actual judge, ruling
explicitly that the GPL is valid
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote:
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[...]
if he wants to use invalid contractual terms, he bears the risk of
their use. It would violate equity and good faith if he were allowed
to sue others merely on the grounds that his license terms
Miss M.
Monroe on a blanket - it's a motivating fantasy, which everyone knows
will remain fantasy, but useful none the less.
The purpose of the GPL is propagate free software. It has been very
successful at doing that.
Sincerely,
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absolutely no consequences for
being willing to defend themselves and winning.
And, let's be honest, the losing party shouldn't have to face bankruptcy
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Can anybody explain to me why a typical simple court case in the
developed world takes 18 months to resolve and costs the loser one,
or even several years' earnings?
Because doing the research needed to properly
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes:
In gnu.misc.discuss Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote:
It'd stop a lot of fishing for out of court settlements if the
accused was no longer terrified of being bankrupted for being found
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The aggrieved householder submits a complaint, in ordinary English
Sigh. You just haven't got a clue.
Perhaps not. Do you have any legal training?
You're like all those hopelessly naive people who think
more the idea of a large government fund paying
out taxpayers' money to privileged people.
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In gnu.misc.discuss Ezekiel z...@somewhere.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:29:38 +, Alan Mackenzie it was written:
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote:
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You are wrong
software is about more than
the market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPg2M1qbEs
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not a
contractual license, since there are no contractual negotiations or
handshakes involved.
By your statement, are you trying to show that the GPL isn't really a
copyright license, or are you making a historical assertion, that this
was the motivation of the original license designers?
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
That's a very strange statement. The GPL is not so designed;
it is designed to waive
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Through being a highly educated native English speaker. I looked
it up in a dictionary, too. Contract (noun) means agreement
(when it doesn't mean get smaller, or the like). I suspect
that the GPL isn't a contract
In gnu.misc.discuss Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxmorex.usenet.us.com wrote:
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes, following up to Rjack:
How can there be a contract when there's been no agreement between the
parties involved?
Rjack already lost this argument under a different subject heading
.
No it's acceptance of the GPL, again at normal speed.
Now what are you trying to say?
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out, and not to rise to the baiting
of these people who keep raising the topic (and who, I admit, are masters
at it).
Rui
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Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote:
Rjack, Therekov, amicus something, and all those trolls will
NEVER see this or that. Their sole purpose is to make people
loose
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen
wrote:
Rjack, Therekov, amicus something, and all those trolls
will NEVER see
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
sigh Please think about the dictum don't be a dick. Please
also get out a bit, socialise with people other than RMS and go
for a reality check on what GNU is.
Sigh...
Now you
Good Morning, RJack!
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Please also get out a bit, socialise with people other than
RMS and go for a reality check on what GNU is.
I
, and the GPL goes to considerable
lengths to ensure that nobody is relegated to the status of an end
user, except by choice.
The GPL is a license for distributing and changing software, not for
using it.
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it as *your* argument since
is certainly not *my* argument.
It seems to be *your* argument, sustained by your own interpretation of
some judges' decisions, that licensing code under the GPL is tantamount
to making it public domain.
Sincerely,
Rjack :)
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Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote:
It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA.
The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says
you may run this program
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Thufir Hawat wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote:
Thufir Hawat wrote:
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote:
The logical conclusion
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Where do you see the difference, in practice, between software
being in the public domain, and software being licensed under the
GPL, understood as you understand it?
Code in the public domain doesn't have ownership
injustice.
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consistency holds in law.
So put your argument up on a web site, and leave some room here for
people to talk about something interesting.
Sincerely,
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idea in a post.
And if you ask him a reasonable pertinent question which he can't answer,
he responds with abuse instead.
His notion is pure sophistry.
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Thufir Hawat wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and
on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent.
Your whining continues
configure your software to display posts in an easily readable
fashion (whatever that means for you), and if you can't do this, start
using some decent software with which you can. What are you using, by
the way?
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:51:47 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
One last thing, when are you guys going to format these messages so
In gnu.misc.discuss Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:45:12 + (UTC), Alan Mackenzie wrote:
It seems Matt has long misunderstood the GPL.
Like 99 percent of people who through some unfortunate process come in
contact with it.
I wouldn't know
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Matt Assay of C-Net fame and one of cyberworld's *biggest*
supporters of the GPL is bailing out like he's Arlen Specter's
campaign manager:
Oh, you have a wonderful
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote:
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
I seems that anyone in the World who disagrees with the FSF's
interpretation of the GPL license and philosophy misunderstands
the GPL. Please tell us more about misunderstanding the GPL
since we are all too dumb
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