Re: SSPL or server side public license, GNU better update the AGPL

* Jacob Bachmeyer: > is the SSPL actually derived from the AGPL? Yes, it is. > If so, does the SSPL itself infringe the FSF's copyright on the GPL > license text? Yes, but the FSF has given a wide-ranging permission to create and distribute derivative works of the GPL itself: | Can I modify th

Re: SSPL or server side public license, GNU better update the AGPL

* Jean Louis: > That is right, that is where should AGPL maybe be updated. > > We know from GPL that when there is some software that depends on GPL > software, then such has to be issued under GPL as well. Those could be > some modules, even if distributed separately they may form a part of > the

Re: SSPL or server side public license, GNU better update the AGPL

* Jean Louis: > MongoDB modifies AGPL to this: > > If you make the functionality of the Program, or a modified version > available to third parties as a service, you must make the Service > Source Code available via network download to everyone at no charge, > under the terms of this License. Maki

Re: SSPL or server side public license, GNU better update the AGPL

* Jean Louis: > The AGPL does not enforce the publishing of the source code when used > server side. Why do you say that? That company previously told their users that the AGPL would not extend to the software the users wrote using the company's product. Their software also lacked a built-in com

Re: A purely GNU system?

* Andreas Enge: > Now, some musing, which motivated me to change the subject line into > a new thread: I am wondering how functional a system is that > contains only GNU packages? It will lack a graphical environment, > but with grub, hurd, glibc and all other low level projects and the > toolchai

Re: GNU Kind Communication Guidelines versus social contract or Codes of Conduct

* Jean Louis: > Can you see that it is discouraging and not welcoming contributions? > > Do you understand that mentioning various GNU projects causes > contributors in those GNU projects not contribute if they find > fallacies in your public shamings statement? > > As a signer of public shaming,

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* Marcel: > On 11/5/19 4:11 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> The FSF has given out an award in support of Secure Boot-related work, >> so its approach to the matter is rather ambiguous. > > Looking through fsf.org I couldn't find any award in support of "Secure >

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

* nipponmail: > It does not matter how common this way of doing buisness is. > It is still a blatant violation of the Copyright holders terms. > > The Copyright holder has allowed GrSecurity to do something they, by > default, have no right to do (create and distribute [non-seperable] > derivati

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* nipponmail: > Getting GNU/Linux onto a laptop these days is quite the difficulty if > you don't know what you're doing because of Secure Boot. It's not a plug > and play thing like once it was. Probably discourages alot of users. Sure, and that was totally predictable. But what can we do whe

Re: Will no-one sue GrSecurity for their blatant GPL violation (of GCC and the linux kernel)?

* nipponmail: > You are incorrect. GPL version 2 section 6 states that one shall not add > additional restrictions between the agreement between the licensee and > further licensees. It governs that relationship vis-a-vis the protected > Work. > > GrSecurity has, indeed, stipulated an additiona

Re: Why don't gnu.org and RMS sign mail? - FDE Crypto

* Jean Louis: > * gameonli...@redchan.it [2019-11-04 14:05]: >> Windows is required to disable the trusted computing locks in Most new >> laptops. Other than windows there are only a few signed operating systems >> that can be installed without disabling said locks, and they are signed by >> micr

Re: Involuntary involvement to counter smear

* Brian Tiffin: > To ensure a future GNU, there are activities required to ensure present > GNU.  Time sensitive and critical events are in progress.  I vote no on > prioritizing this discussion at a time when there is an active campaign > that can be seen as an attempt to weaken free software and

Re: Youth [

* Alexandre François Garreau: > Le vendredi 1 novembre 2019, 17:27:53 CET Sandra Loosemore a écrit : >> I've thought about this and discussed it with other CodeSourcery people >> from time to time in the past, but we've pretty much come up blank. It >> might help if I personally pursued a more vi

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Jean Louis: > But if you do so, then you are allowing one new direction in the GNU > project, that everyone involved in the GNU project should go around > GNU contributors and whoever else is related and connected to GNU to > see if that person did not say maybe something politically incorrect,

Re: Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

* Sandra Loosemore: > It has bothered me for a long time that there are so few women > participating in the GNU community. I think I might be the only female > maintainer on either GCC/Binutils right now (I haven't gone through the > lists, but the others I used to know about have stepped dow

Re: Some thoughts on censorship in this mailing list.

* Marcel: > The worst aspect about this whole episode--from my perspective in > isolation--is that nobody can tell that I am trying to respond > thoughtfully and intelligently to their posts; the censors do not even > need to forward a note to forum members saying that such and such other > member

Re: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org is premoderated

* Alfred M. Szmidt: >> I placed the list on moderation to help with cooling down heated >> discussions. It is entirely within the normal bounds of list >> management to use moderation. > >It's actually very unusual to see this on technical/FOSS lists. Some >communities have se

Re: GNU project _does_ discriminate contributors by classes

* Dmitry Alexandrov: > Jason Self wrote: >> This is related to the copyright assignment mentioned earlier. As an >> example, some have employment contracts with wording to the effect >> that "anything you ever do anywhere ever always belongs to us no >> matter what." People with such employment c

Re: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org is premoderated

* Carlos O'Donell: > I placed the list on moderation to help with cooling down heated > discussions. It is entirely within the normal bounds of list > management to use moderation. It's actually very unusual to see this on technical/FOSS lists. Some communities have secret and not-so-secret bans

Re: gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org is premoderated

* Carlos O'Donell: > The GNU C Library main development list was pre-moderated for almost 5 > years. During that period we moved a lot of conversations to the glibc > help mailing list using moderation. This helped new users get started > in a more welcoming environment. Just an example of a publi

Re: A GNU “social contract”?

* Samuel Thibault: > I don't think it does, I have never seen any reference to that in > anything talking about the Debian Social Contract, and not in the 1997 > discussions leading to it either. Actually it took me a bit of time to > even just realize what reference you were talking about (even i

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* Jean Louis: > * Samuel Thibault [2019-10-27 16:33]: >> Alfred M. Szmidt, le dim. 27 oct. 2019 13:56:00 -0400, a ecrit: >> > we have participants that clearly do not agree with the GNU projects >> > stance on an issue. >> > >> > This shows the error quite clearly in why having the community >>

Re: Turning GNU into a bottom-up organization

* Alfred M. Szmidt: > Debian renegaded on their goal of being a 100% free software system, > they now include non-free software. That is the danger, and it is > very much real. And GNU comes with non-free documentation. We are not going to reach agreement on these points any time soon.

Re: Python question

* Richard Stallman: > How, in Python, can I execute a string as a shell command? This is often an extremely bad idea because it results in shell command injection vulnerabilities. Instead of os.system(), use the subprocess module, which keeps the argument list separate and does not involve the s

Re: The future of Skype for Linux

* Miles Bader: > One very convenient thing about Skype is the "skype in" and > "skype out" services -- they let you use skype for calling from a normal > phone, or calling somebody on a normal phone. Are there any companies > that offer this service using a free protocol...? Uhm, there are many,

Re: The future of Skype for Linux

* Miles Bader: > Florian Weimer writes: >>> One very convenient thing about Skype is the "skype in" and >>> "skype out" services -- they let you use skype for calling from a normal >>> phone, or calling somebody on a normal phone. Are there any

Re: Problem with GPLv3 FAQ about linking with Visual C++

* Hyman Rosen: > I don't understand what you mean here. The GPL purports to be a > grant of extra rights beyond those allowed by copyright law. I > assert that an executable program which dynamically links to > libraries is not affected by the copyrights of those libraries, This is a view not sha

Re: Problem with GPLv3 FAQ about linking with Visual C++

* Hyman Rosen: > You can still run the object code even if the dynamic libraries > are absent. The program's behavior will be different than if the > libraries were present, but no particular behavior is required. Well, that is heresy. Official position is that dynamic linking creates a derivati

Re: Problem with GPLv3 FAQ about linking with Visual C++

* Alfred M. Szmidt: > You might want to try the SFLC (Software Freedom Law Center) for > advise on this; sadly I don't have an email address at hand to give. > Or better yet, talk to your lawyer. SFLC is representing the other side, so to speak. You should really talk to your own lawyer. ___

Re: Problem with GPLv3 FAQ about linking with Visual C++

* Antonis Christofides: > I have a licensing problem (I want to release my Delphi code under the > GPLv3, and I need to know if I need to introduce additional permissions > to link with the Delphi libraries, and whether I can use third-party > GPLv3 code in my code; Delphi is a nonfree commercial

Re: GPL upheld on appeal in France

* Hyman Rosen: > > > > In 2000, Edu4 equipped the AFPA's computer rooms. In the process, > the IT firm used a version of the VNC remote desktop software >

Re: Licensing issues with a research project

* Alexander Terekhov: > The German copyright act doesn't recognize the concept of "work for > hire" in which the copyright (Urheberrecht) is owned by employer. The exploitation rights for computer programs are automatically transferred to the employer, see §69b UrhG. Keep in mind that this does

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel Code Drop Result of GPL Violation

* Hyman Rosen: > I assume that the "accompany" clause was meant to prevent some > stratagem of avoiding GPL obligations by shipping a non-free > library and claiming that it was a system library; a system > library ought to be available on the system without needing to > come with a program. This

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel Code Drop Result of GPL Violation

* Hyman Rosen: > For example, the system call "write" in UNIX is described in the > C programming language as 'int write(int fd, char *buffer, int len)' > meaning that it takes three arguments - an integer representing the > output device or file to which to write, the address of a buffer > contai

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel Code Drop Result of GPL Violation

* Hyman Rosen: > Florian Weimer wrote: >> Apparently, it is unclear that linking GPLed code with proprietary >> code results in a GPL violation---if the combination is not used to >> restrict use of the combined work (i.e., you still can run and copy it >> freely)

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel Code Drop Result of GPL Violation

* Hyman Rosen: > > Apparently, it is unclear that linking GPLed code with proprietary code results in a GPL violation---if the combination is not used to restr

Re: Another GPL violation settled

* Hyman Rosen: > Why is that funny? That's how settlements work. No one > acknowledges any guilt because that could come back to > haunt them later. How has the GPL helped to create more free software in this case? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-

Re: Does GCC use a hand-made parser ( for C and C++ and Java ) ? Or Yacc ?

* Robert: > Or some other packaged parser tool? It depends on the front end (and the version). Most front ends use hand-written parsers nowadays. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-

Re: How does GPL3 stack up against KHTML/Safari exploitation?

* Alfred M. Szmidt: >> For those who don't remembered the incident, Apple developed its >> Safari based on KHTML's work, but Apple only distributed changes >> in large patches with little documentation, and refused to allow >> KHTML developer to look at the change logs maintained b

Re: How does GPL3 stack up against KHTML/Safari exploitation?

* quanta: > For those who don't remembered the incident, Apple developed its > Safari based on KHTML's work, but Apple only distributed changes in > large patches with little documentation, and refused to allow KHTML > developer to look at the change logs maintained by Apple. How does > GPL3 licen