Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: LOL! Summary: For those who have been reading/hearing Stallman for the past 10-plus years as I have, this admission is shocking in the extreme. The GPL, which is supposed to be the ultimate guarantor of software freedom, may deliver the opposite.

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: LOL! Summary: For those who have been reading/hearing Stallman for the past 10-plus years as I have, this admission is shocking in the extreme. The GPL, which is supposed to be the ultimate guarantor of software

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: LOL! Summary: For those who have been reading/hearing Stallman for the past 10-plus years as I have, this admission is shocking in the extreme. The GPL, which is supposed to be the ultimate

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked development path for MySQL THis is nothing new. The FSF's recommendation has always been

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about MySQL being licensed GPLv2 _only_ (not as common, GPLv2 or later). Since GPLv2

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about MySQL being licensed GPLv2 _only_

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Nonsense. The affirmative act is accomplished in advance when the copyright holder acts according to the recommendation: Go to doctor, idiot dak. One just can't be a party (licensor or licensee) to an intellectual

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] GPL is a license, not a contract. Yeah. LOL. Heck, why are you, German GNUtian dak, still pretending to be in denial regarding the judgments of the courts in Munich and Frankfurt about contractual status of the GPL, stupid dak? (Munich)

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread chrisv
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: One just can't be a party (licensor or licensee) to an intellectual property license under unknown/unspecified/future/later terms. God damn, you are a stupid POS. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread chrisv
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Apart from that, or later is utter legal nonsense because absent sublicensing, the later license terms may come into effect only by the affirmative act of the copyright holder and for that nobody needs or later clause. Idiot.

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. (Munich) http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_muenchen_gpl.pdf http://www.jbb.de/judgment_dc_munich_gpl.pdf (Frankfurt) http://www.jbb.de/urteil_lg_frankfurt_gpl.pdf

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping your feet again? As I already said: contract law applies since

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Hadron
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping your feet again? As I

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [... There are differences which I listed ...] Go to doctor, with all the differences which you listed, dak. BTW... Who's paying for your health care insurance, dak? If you you're going to trigger freedom of speech now just like Alan, please explain why. regards,

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Tim Smith
In article 87oco0rjli@lola.goethe.zz, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Dak, dak, dak. Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked development path for MySQL

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread Tim Smith
In article hbmvug$2ik...@colin2.muc.de, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Stallman told the European Commission that the lack of a more flexible license for MySQL will present considerable barriers to a new forked