Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-22 Thread Victor Tarabola Cortiano
Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: [In a typical silly net flamewar, one might explain it as simple pigheadedness and unwillingness to admit error (AFAICT, these are the common driving forces), but he's been spewing his bile so frequently, and for so long, it seems like there must be _some_

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-22 Thread Miles Bader
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Victor Tarabola Cortiano victorcorti...@gmail.com wrote: [In a typical silly net flamewar, one might explain it as simple pigheadedness and unwillingness to admit error (AFAICT, these are the common driving forces), but he's been spewing his bile so frequently,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-22 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/22/2010 12:14 PM, Victor Tarabola Cortiano wrote: How do one steals free software? By not complying with the conditions its rights holders have specified for permitting its copying and distribution. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-22 Thread John Hasler
Victor Tarabola Cortiano writes: How do one steals free software? BY making off with copies (i.e., tangible property) belonging to someone else. Copyright infringement is not theft (and no, that does not mean it is not illegal nor is a judgement as to whether it is right or wrong). -- John

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-22 Thread Victor Tarabola Cortiano
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: Copyright infringement is not theft (and no, that does not mean it is not illegal nor is a judgement as to whether it is right or wrong). That was my point :) ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-21 Thread Miles Bader
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: ... rants incoherently ... Your rants are obviously not helping either your case, your reputation, or your mood. Why bother? Something I've always wondered. Terekhov's endless anti-free-software diatribes must

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] The version numbers on the source and binary links match. LOL!!! But what makes you think that it is a complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL, silly Hyman? If the sources did not build or work, the first user

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Richard Tobin wrote: In article 4b7d8706.c45ed...@web.de, Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Hyman, you're really crank. What language is this? I mean that Hyman is really a crackpot. Of course correlation implies causation! Without this fundamental principle, no science would

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] Calling something intentionally different a corresponding source without it being so in order to fulfill licensing conditions would be active fraud, not just negligence. Uh silly dak. Breaching unenforceable contractual licensing conditions is fraud only in

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Richard Tobin wrote: In article 4b7d8706.c45ed...@web.de, Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Hyman, you're really crank. What language is this? I mean that Hyman is really a crackpot. It's really a good thing nobody is paying you

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/18/2010 6:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman, are seriously claiming that they are complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL for http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp Yes. Because the version numbers on the links match, right you

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] LMAO! Uh retard Hyman. Hyman? Your attention span really is at zero right now. Have you been drinking again? Not yet. Do you seriously dispute that you both are crackpots? LOL. regards, alexander. P.S. I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] It's really a good thing nobody is paying you for the sad spectacle you make of yourself. Says GNUtian clown http://www.tug.org/interviews/kastrup.html dak. LMAO! [Y]ou often have people with a bad judgment concerning

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] LMAO! Uh retard Hyman. Hyman? Your attention span really is at zero right now. Have you been drinking again? Not yet. Do you seriously dispute that you both are crackpots? If we were, we would still be different.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-19 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] It's really a good thing nobody is paying you for the sad spectacle you make of yourself. Says GNUtian clown

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/17/2010 6:48 PM, RJack wrote: Whatever (unverifiable) source code that is provided out there (if in fact there is any) is years old, out of datesource modules that mock the claim gaining compliance. You simply can't verify what's posted out there any more than you can

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 11:38 AM, RJack wrote: Claiming it is very easy is just another unverified claim. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own unverified facts. Sorry. Claiming that my claim is unverified is very easy, but false. I have explained how verification can be accomplished - use

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] I have explained how verification can be accomplished - use the sources to build the binary, and see if that binary matches the distributed one. Why don't you try to perform your own verification and post here the results, silly Hyman? regards, alexander. P.S. It is

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/18/2010 11:38 AM, RJack wrote: Claiming it is very easy is just another unverified claim. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own unverified facts. Sorry. Claiming that my claim is unverified is very easy, but false. I have explained how verification

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 12:45 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Why don't you try to perform your own verification and post here the results Because I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that I can do the builds. ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/18/2010 12:45 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Why don't you try to perform your own verification and post here the results Because I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that I can do the builds. Stop making an utter idiot of yourself,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 12:46 PM, RJack wrote: They're *your* unverified claims. Neither myself nor, I doubt, anyone else is going to foolishly carry *your* burden and produce *your* facts for you. Your facts require the belief that after settling the lawsuits, the defendants set up the ability for

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: On 2/18/2010 12:46 PM, RJack wrote: They're *your* unverified claims. Neither myself nor, I doubt, anyone else is going to foolishly carry *your* burden and produce *your* facts for you. Your facts require the belief that after settling the lawsuits,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] to do so make their local changes. If that renders the router Go try making local changes regarding http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp and report your results back here, silly dak. It won't happen, I know, you silly dak. regards, alexander.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 2:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Go try making local changes regarding http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp and report your results back here The online distribution of GPLed firmware by Verizon is accompanied by source found at

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [magical source code] available at http://opensource.actiontec.com/, and offer physical copies for $10 as well. Why don't you try it yourself (checking whether the offered source code corresponds to the complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL), silly Hyman? Is

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 3:29 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Why don't you try it yourself (checking whether the offered source code corresponds to the complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL)? Is it because you are insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that you can do the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [... excuse ...] Stop making claims that you can't support with evidence, silly Hyman. regards, alexander. P.S. I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that I can do the builds. Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com The Silliest GPL 'Advocate' P.P.S. It is

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 3:48 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Stop making claims that you can't support with evidence. The defendants in each of the SFLC cases now have web sites from which they serve the GPLed sources for the binaries they distribute. If a GPL crank wishes to assert that these sources do

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [... crank ... crank ... crank ... crank ...] Take your meds and call your doctor, retard Hyman. regards, alexander. P.S. I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that I can do the builds. Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com The Silliest GPL 'Advocate'

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/18/2010 2:30 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Go try making local changes regarding http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp and report your results back here The online distribution of GPLed firmware by Verizon is accompanied by source found at

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] to do so make their local changes. If that renders the router Go try making local changes regarding http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp and report your results back here, silly dak. It won't happen,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... excuse ...] Stop making claims that you can't support with evidence, silly Hyman. How about doing that yourself? -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 4:30 PM, RJack wrote: Your links lead back to an old Actiontec site -- not Verizon. What does old mean? Alexander's beloved page, http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp, links to

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... excuse ...] Stop making claims that you can't support with evidence, silly Hyman. How about doing that yourself? What evidence do you want from me stupid dak? That

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 5:26 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp is not backed by the complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL The online distribution of GPLed firmware by Verizon is accompanied by source found at

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hyman Rosen wrote: [... excuse ...] Stop making claims that you can't support with evidence, silly Hyman. How about doing that yourself? What evidence do you want from

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [... ResidentialHelp ...] Yes, you really need it (Residential Help) Hyman. But it has nothing to do with the missing complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL for http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp you retard. regards, alexander. P.S.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] What evidence do you want from me stupid dak? That http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp is not backed by the complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL you silly? You got the links already. Now tell me that you really tried

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 5:41 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: But it has nothing to do with the missing complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL for http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp The online distribution of GPLed firmware by Verizon is accompanied by source found at

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] The version numbers on the source and binary links match. LOL!!! But what makes you think that it is a complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL, silly Hyman? regards, alexander. P.S. I'm insufficiently motivated to go set up a GNU/Linux system so that I

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 6:02 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: The version numbers on the source and binary links match. LOL!!! But what makes you think that it is a complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL? Because Verizon and Actiontec are making the source code available,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/18/2010 6:14 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman, are seriously claiming that they are complete corresponding source code under the GNU GPL for http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp Yes. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-18 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/18/2010 5:46 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Now tell me that you really tried to visit those links (Hyman's Residential Help links) and build the binaries from that 'source' you silly dak. Did you try that? The version numbers on the source and binary links match.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 5:46 PM, RJack wrote: [T]he Copyright Law is quite specific in stating that only the owner of an exclusive right under a copyright may bring suit; Erik Andersen himself is a party to the suit, rendering all of this argument moot. ___

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] Erik Andersen himself is a party to the suit, rendering all of How come that the the suit is named (go check it on pacer silly Hyman) as Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et al you idiot. U.S. District Court United States District Court

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/17/2010 9:29 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: How come that the the suit is named as Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et al http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM CONSERVANCY, INC. and ERIK ANDERSEN,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [... copyright enforcement agent ...] Hyman, you're really crank. http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F3/402/881/510088/ Eden apparently believed that a third basis for standing under the Copyright Act existed, namely authorization by the copyright holder of suit by

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/17/2010 10:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Got it now? http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM CONSERVANCY, INC. and ERIK ANDERSEN, Plaintiffs -against- BEST BUY CO.,INC.,... Erik

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/17/2010 9:29 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: How come that the the suit is named as Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. v. Best Buy Co., Inc. et al http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM CONSERVANCY, INC. and ERIK ANDERSEN,

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/17/2010 10:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Got it now? http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM CONSERVANCY, INC. and Hyman, you're really crank.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/17/2010 11:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: We do not believe that the Copyright Act permits holders of rights under copyrights to choose third parties to bring suits on their behalf. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [... A and B ...] 0 + 0 = 0 regards, alexander. P.S. It is just like a suit to enforce a copyright license, which arises under state law rather than under the Copyright Act. Hyman's lovin' http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Gaiman_v._McFarlane P.P.S. We do not believe that

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/17/2010 11:36 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: We do not believe that the Copyright Act permits holders of rights under copyrights to choose third parties to bring suits on their behalf. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/17/2010 1:15 PM, RJack wrote: The SFLC attorneys filed seven consecutive frivolous infringement suits for Erik Andersen over BusyBox code when Andersen had not filed *anything* -- nada, null, nil -- with the Copyright Office. Filing seven consecutive suits without standing is frivolous and

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-17 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: The SFLC is gaining compliance with the GPL. People are free to donate to whatever cause they like, and some people like to donate to organizations that help gain compliance with the GPL. Perhaps you should start your own organization that helps defend people against the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/13/2010 7:11 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A collective work can also be a joint work It certainly can be, if all the authors of the collective work intend it to be so. That intent must be demonstrated. Since the BusyBox is licensed only under the GPL, its

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/12/2010 8:09 PM, RJack wrote: The developers submit patches or a new source code module that amounts at most to a few hundreds of bytes. The BusyBox (remember -- a single program) source tarball when unzipped is 7.75 *million* bytes. The claim that checking in a *few

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 6:46 AM, RJack wrote: First, to support a copyright the original aspects of a derivative work must be more than trivial. Second, the scope of protection afforded a derivative work must reflect the degree to which it relies on preexisting material and must not in any way affect the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: 2) Your theory says BusyBox is [a sequence of derivative works] I'll leave it to you to identify the individual contributions and ownership claims in this 7.7 million byte derivative work when you address the court. Every author has ownership in the pieces of work he has

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] every version after he has contributed changes. As we know from Gaiman We know from Gaiman that the GPL says nothing about going to the toilet from time to time, but does that mean that GPL'd work authors are never pissing and shitting, Hyman? regards, alexander. P.S.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Alexander Terekhov
I just can't resist to poke stupid Hyman once again... Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] affect or disparage ownership claims of the other authors. Registration then allows the author to sue for infringement. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/ The suit was filed on

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 12:06 PM, RJack wrote: Obviously, If you author a derivative work you *must* be able to identify the owners of the one or more preexisting works *that you modified*. No, that's not true, and does not follow from anything you quoted. To create a derivative work you must have

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 2:01 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/ The suit was filed on behalf of the Software Freedom Conservancy (Conservancy) Hey Hyman, care to find any copyright registrations addressed to/from the Software Freedom

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/16/2010 12:06 PM, RJack wrote: Obviously, If you author a derivative work you *must* be able to identify the owners of the one or more preexisting works *that you modified*. No, that's not true, and does not follow from anything you quoted. To create a derivative

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/16/2010 2:01 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/dec/14/busybox-gpl-lawsuit/ The suit was filed on behalf of the Software Freedom Conservancy (Conservancy) Hey Hyman, care to find any copyright registrations addressed to/from the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 4:09 PM, RJack wrote: Hyman: Uh your honor, I received permission from some unknown authors to create this derivative work. It's a new work known under copyright law as a derivative of a 'compilation of derivative works by unknown authors'. The work is licensed. There is no reason

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/16/2010 4:18 PM, RJack wrote: [Note 3] ... We do not believe that the Copyright Act permits holders of rights under copyrights to choose third parties to bring suits on their behalf. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/busybox-complaint-2009-12-14.pdf SOFTWARE FREEDOM

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: On 2/16/2010 4:09 PM, RJack wrote: Hyman: Uh your honor, I received permission from some unknown authors to create this derivative work. It's a new work known under copyright law as a derivative of a 'compilation of derivative works by unknown authors'.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-16 Thread Branimir Maksimovic
RJack wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/16/2010 4:18 PM, RJack wrote: [Note 3] ... We do not believe that the Copyright Act permits holders of rights under copyrights to choose third parties to bring suits on their behalf.

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-15 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 8:09 PM, RJack wrote: The developers submit patches or a new source code module that amounts at most to a few hundreds of bytes. The BusyBox (remember -- a single program) source tarball when unzipped is 7.75 *million* bytes. The claim that checking in a *few hundred bytes* of new

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-15 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 8:09 PM, RJack wrote: Oh. I understand now! You have invented a new copyright concept called a derivative-collective work. It is either a collective work or a derivative work depending on how you feel at the moment. That's kind of convenient just like copyleft isn't it? A

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-15 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/13/2010 7:11 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: A collective work can also be a joint work It certainly can be, if all the authors of the collective work intend it to be so. That intent must be demonstrated. Since the BusyBox is licensed only under the GPL, its authors have indicated that it

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
RJack wrote: [...] Oh. I understand now! You have invented a new copyright concept called a derivative-collective work. It is either a collective work or a derivative work depending on how you feel at the moment. That's kind Well, reorganizing some preexisting collection to form a new

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-13 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Hyman Rosen wrote: [...] a collective work formed from the contributions of its A collective work can also be a joint work you silly. regards, alexander. P.S. It is just like a suit to enforce a copyright license, which arises under state law rather than under the Copyright Act. Hyman's

The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread RJack
SFLC voluntary dismissals should be coming soon in Best Buy et. al. case. The SFLC cannot risk a judge actually interpreting the GPL license. The court would read the covenants in the GPL contract which Eben Moglen claims are conditions and quickly file the license in the court's little round

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
RJack u...@example.net writes: SFLC voluntary dismissals should be coming soon in Best Buy et. al. case. Once the defendants have agreed to come into compliance and pay the incurred costs, that's the usual course. Do you have any information pertaining to that? The SFLC cannot risk a judge

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread amicus_curious
RJack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oosdnvn5rvxl2ojwnz2dnuvz_odi4...@giganews.com... Another frivolous lawsuit to which the SFLC can spin: One can only wonder how many of these things are necessary for the FSF and SFLC and Moglen (which seem to be MOL synonymous terms). I don't

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: RJack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oosdnvn5rvxl2ojwnz2dnuvz_odi4...@giganews.com... Another frivolous lawsuit to which the SFLC can spin: One can only wonder how many of these things are necessary for the FSF and SFLC and Moglen (which seem to

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread chrisv
rat wrote: Depending on your view of the whole thing, they are either Maybe rats are only capable of seeing those two views, but those of us who are not rats interpret the situation differently. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Rex Ballard
On Feb 12, 7:13 am, RJack u...@example.net wrote: SFLC voluntary dismissals should be coming soon in Best Buy et. al. case. The SFLC cannot risk a judge actually interpreting the GPL license. The court would read the covenants in the GPL contract which Eben Moglen claims are conditions

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
Rex Ballard rex.ball...@gmail.com writes: On Feb 12, 7:13 am, RJack u...@example.net wrote: SFLC voluntary dismissals should be coming soon in Best Buy et. al. case. The SFLC cannot risk a judge actually interpreting the GPL license. The court would read the covenants in the GPL contract

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 8:07 AM, amicus_curious wrote: These cases seem to center around some unsuspecting developer making the fatal mistake of using the BusyBox utilities for some embedded computer device and failing to pay homage to the FOSSers by posting yet another copy of the BusyBox source code

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 1:23 PM, RJack wrote: JUST SHOW ME THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS. Settlement agreements are usually private arrangements between the parties, and are not available for public review. As outside observers, we can only examine public results. In every case the SFLC has filed, the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/12/2010 1:23 PM, RJack wrote: JUST SHOW ME THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS. Settlement agreements are usually private arrangements between the parties, and are not available for public review. As outside observers, we can only examine public results. In every case the SFLC

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 1:48 PM, RJack wrote: Alexander has proven that claim to be false. He has not, if you mean with respect to Verizon. The online distribution of GPLed firmware by Verizon is accompanied by source found at

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/12/2010 8:07 AM, amicus_curious wrote: These cases seem to center around some unsuspecting developer making the fatal mistake of using the BusyBox utilities for some embedded computer device and failing to pay homage to the FOSSers by posting yet another copy of the

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 2:27 PM, RJack wrote: 17 USC 101 A “joint work” is a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole. And therefore a work is not a joint work if every author has not so

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/12/2010 2:27 PM, RJack wrote: 17 USC 101 A “joint work” is a work prepared by two or more authors with the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole. And therefore a work is not a joint work if every author

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread Hyman Rosen
On 2/12/2010 3:39 PM, RJack wrote: Which BusyBox authors do not intend for their contributions to become interdependent parts merged into the BusyBox program? BusyBox authors create independent or derivative works (depending on whether the code they are writing is new or is a modification of

Re: The SFLC dismissals should be coming soon

2010-02-12 Thread RJack
Hyman Rosen wrote: On 2/12/2010 3:39 PM, RJack wrote: Which BusyBox authors do not intend for their contributions to become interdependent parts merged into the BusyBox program? BusyBox authors create independent or derivative works (depending on whether the code they are writing is new or