On 12/27/19 4:39 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> As volunteers for the GNU Project we are happy that the FSF provides GNU
> with services like fiscal sponsorship, technical infrastructure,
> promotion, copyright assignment, and volunteer management. And we note
> that the FSF is looking for feedback on
On 1/6/20 4:00 PM, Andreas Enge wrote:
> I can revert my decision and leave. This is an
> option, but like Andy I think that the goals of GNU are a worthy cause, and
> that it makes sense to struggle for a more participatory organisation to
> ensure the long-term success of GNU.
Accept that neve
On 1/6/20 5:39 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> I am interested in discussing these issues since I believe they are
> important for our community.
I have no faith in you, honestly.
Your attacking Richard, so there is no good faith in that.
On 1/8/20 4:37 AM, Andreas Enge wrote:
>> All volunteer organizations are top down, even Debian...
> That is clearly wrong, and well documented for Debian.
Actually it is correct. Debian has governance and although it has
elections and it is clearly top down
It is designed with project leaders
I've been watching Debian for nearly 30 years ...
I know exactly hwo it work and it is top down
On 1/8/20 12:30 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Fixing some facts here.
>
> nylxs, le mer. 08 janv. 2020 10:19:26 -0500, a ecrit:
>> On 1/8/20 4:37 AM, Andreas Enge wrote
On 1/9/20 8:31 PM, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I can't parse this.
then use bison or antler
On 1/8/20 3:38 PM, Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 11:14:47PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>> I personally like to call it the GNU Social Contract. But some people
>> do seem to get confused by the word contract. Since it means promises
>> we are making to each other and the broader
On 1/12/20 4:41 AM, Andreas R. wrote:
> Having to trust rms is a historical necessity and a fluke.
No, it is not. You are really just making your own history.
On 1/12/20 7:57 AM, Andreas R. wrote:
> As much as I admire your passion for the discussion,
There is no passion for the discussion. This is just another twisting
that you are pursueing. There is a passion to stop an injustice of a
few people demanding that RMS be removed from his lifes work.
Y
On 1/13/20 5:13 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> I agree with Ludovic and Andreas' comments downthread that when you
> join a volunteer organization you join it to further the goals of the
> organization.
So you guys should get together an create your own organization
On 1/13/20 5:13 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> Which part?
all of it
On 1/14/20 7:05 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> This was indeed what I meant. More specifically I said "GNU
> maintainers serve at the pleasure of the FSF" b
But they don't.
On 1/14/20 2:04 AM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> 3. That censorship claim is ridiculous.
the censorship is real
On 1/14/20 10:42 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> Then why did you start in the first place with defamation of GNU
>> project and RMS?
> This has been discussed ad nauseam and every conceivable point has been
> made multiple times over. Let's please move on.
why should we?
On 1/15/20 12:25 PM, orbu...@tutanota.com wrote:
> Because it’s unproductive
>
> Jan 14, 2020, 19:55 by mrbrk...@optonline.net:
>
>> On 1/14/20 10:42 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>>
Then why did you start in the first place with defamation of GNU
project and RMS?
>>> This has been discuss
On 1/16/20 12:03 PM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> I simply mean that practically the FSF has the ultimate authority
> over the GNU project
No, it does not.
On 1/23/20 12:47 AM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> That's where the meat of the issue is for me. This is no different from
> a large tech company wanting to keep tight control over projects they
> may have spawned, sometimes at the detriment of the project, only
> because they don't trust the commun
On 1/28/20 3:31 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> I understand your concern, but consider this: we are a group of GNU
> maintainers setting up a service for use by GNU maintainers to work on
> GNU. In that sense, I think it’s fair to say we’re not misusing the name.
It is an unauthorized use of the tr
On 1/29/20 7:35 AM, Andreas R. wrote:
> ight. It is certainly a messy process, which doesn't always help
> people trust that everybody is participating in good faith.
There is no good faith. This is a power grab
On 2/6/20 5:36 AM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> The goal is to acknowledge that GNU is not the only free software
> provider, and that the GNU Project (socially) and the GNU System
> (technically) has to work with these other free software projects.
That is because you fail to understand the importan
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