Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The fact alone that it is part of Debian says ferret has its use. I agree

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-08 Thread Nala Ginrut
Jason Self writes: > On Fri, 2019-09-06 at 15:36 +0800, Nala Ginrut wrote: >> In my day job, we have to use Debian in our commercial products. I >> understand Trisquel is still not ready for that case. > > A broad exclusion that Trisquel isn't ready for "commercial products" > (whatever that

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
You might not recommend, but I use Trisquel. Depends on Debian. The question is, does GNU want us to spent time on those projects, or Is that precious time better spent elsewhere. That is up to each maintainer to decide. If you think a GNU project is useful, or you enjoy using then the

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-05 22:57]: > After bit more research total 98 Official GNU packages found to be inactive > for at least 5 years. > > 54 were never part og Debian Debian is not GNU.org or FSF, do you understand? Those are 2 different groups, 2 different organizations, with

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Jason Self
On Fri, 2019-09-06 at 15:36 +0800, Nala Ginrut wrote: > In my day job, we have to use Debian in our commercial products. I > understand Trisquel is still not ready for that case. A broad exclusion that Trisquel isn't ready for "commercial products" (whatever that means) seems a bit much. I'm not

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Jason Self
On Fri, 2019-09-06 at 09:08 +, bendik...@vfemail.net wrote: > There are too many useless packages on   > https://www.gnu.org/software/software.html that destracts from the   > usefull ones. > > I want to promote usefull projects and ideas, now I too often promote > outdated and/or vague

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread bendikker
Quoting Jean Louis : * bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-06 09:18]: I can not directly respont to Jose E. Marchesi, I have get no mail. The fact alone that it is part of Debian says ferret has its use. Although the popularity is declining. It is interesting to mention at ferrets website that

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-06 09:18]: > I can not directly respont to Jose E. Marchesi, I have get no mail. > > The fact alone that it is part of Debian says ferret has its use. Although > the popularity is declining. > It is interesting to mention at ferrets website that it is used by a >

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread Nala Ginrut
bendik...@vfemail.net writes: > Quoting a...@gnu.org: > >> If package is not in Debian GNU/Linux, for me this indicates nothing >> that relates to GNU packages, unless there is some specific discussion >> related to such specific package, or if there is specific bug report. >> Debian is

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-06 Thread bendikker
I can not directly respont to Jose E. Marchesi, I have get no mail. The fact alone that it is part of Debian says ferret has its use. Although the popularity is declining. It is interesting to mention at ferrets website that it is used by a university, I did not check if this is the case.

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-05 Thread Nala Ginrut
Thanks for the mention RMS! I need some time to prepare, since it's not a simply discontinue, but a replacement. No hurry. Best regards. Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-05 Thread Jose E. Marchesi
After bit more research total 98 Official GNU packages found to be inactive for at least 5 years. [...] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ferret Ferret works well and it is indeed used by at least 60 Debian users, as seen in qa.debian.org's popcon. It is also used by at least

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-05 Thread bendikker
After bit more research total 98 Official GNU packages found to be inactive for at least 5 years. 54 were never part og Debian https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/acm https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/alive https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/archimedes https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/avl

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-05 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] If you are a GNU package maintainer and you think your package should be

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-04 Thread bendikker
Check these out also. https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/alive https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/anubis https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/archimedes https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/avl https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ballandpaddle https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/bpel2owfn https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ccide

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-04 Thread Jean Louis
On September 4, 2019 6:08:50 AM UTC, Nala Ginrut wrote: > >I'm the author and maintainer of GNU XmlAT, I've been considering >obsolete it for years. And I'd like to add other new meaningful project >to >GNU. > >Here's a brief reason. >XmlAT was used to convert XML to s-expr as an intermediate

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-04 Thread Jean Louis
On September 4, 2019 6:08:50 AM UTC, Nala Ginrut wrote: > >I'm the author and maintainer of GNU XmlAT, I've been considering >obsolete it for years. And I'd like to add other new meaningful project >to >GNU. > >Here's a brief reason. >XmlAT was used to convert XML to s-expr as an intermediate

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-04 Thread Nala Ginrut
I'm the author and maintainer of GNU XmlAT, I've been considering obsolete it for years. And I'd like to add other new meaningful project to GNU. Here's a brief reason. XmlAT was used to convert XML to s-expr as an intermediate presentation for multiple cases. And it can be output to other

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I asked the right people (maintain...@gnu.org) to check the situation. -- Dr

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-03 22:41]: > Quoting a...@gnu.org: > > > If package is not in Debian GNU/Linux, for me this indicates nothing > >   that relates to GNU packages, unless there is some specific discussion > >   related to such specific package, or if there is specific bug report.

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-09-03 22:33]: >If package is not in Debian GNU/Linux, for me this indicates nothing >that relates to GNU packages, unless there is some specific discussion >related to such specific package, or if there is specific bug report. > > Debian is also a GNU/Linux

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread bendikker
Quoting a...@gnu.org: If package is not in Debian GNU/Linux, for me this indicates nothing   that relates to GNU packages, unless there is some specific discussion   related to such specific package, or if there is specific bug report. Debian is also a GNU/Linux distribution that we do not

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-03 22:09]: > I dont know if this is the right way reply > My idea is that the absent of those in a distribution (some of those are > removed by Debian) might indicate stability issues or not usefull enough, so > maybe there are better existing options. > (At

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread bendikker
Quoting Jean Louis : * Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-09-03 21:26]: The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and are    at least (most probably) not part of Debian. Neither of those are good metrics or reasons to decommision a package. I also agree on that, there is no

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-09-03 21:26]: >The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and are >at least (most probably) not part of Debian. > > Neither of those are good metrics or reasons to decommision a package. I also agree on that, there is no reason. Software

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and are at least (most probably) not part of Debian. Neither of those are good metrics or reasons to decommision a package.

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-03 20:41]: > You can also use: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ > > The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and > are at least (most probably) not part of Debian. https://www.gnu.org/s/alive Alive is usable program. What means "inactive"?

Re: 70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread Jean Louis
* bendik...@vfemail.net [2019-09-03 20:41]: > You can also use: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ > > The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and > are at least (most probably) not part of Debian. Let me make few links for easier review. https://www.gnu.org/s/alive

70 inactive GNU packages to be decommis ?

2019-09-03 Thread bendikker
You can also use: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/ The following GNU packages seem inactive for at least 5 years and are at least (most probably) not part of Debian. alive anubis archimedes avl ballandpaddle bpel2owfn ccide cim combine dap edma fontutils garpd gift gmediaserver gnatsweb