Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 19/05/22 00:50, davidcousen...@gmail.com ha scritto: You need a sub account of your asset account and a corresponding account in Equity which you could call a revaluation reserve or something similar. This account can be either in Equity itself or could be an Income or Expense account

Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 18/05/22 16:46, David T. ha scritto: First, the analogy of a painting's unrealized gains to those of any other asset is perfectly valid. The only difference is that there is only one "share" of the painting, while there are many shares of a stock or mutual fund. Their change in value is

Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 18/05/22 23:47, Michael or Penny Novack ha scritto: Because we lack "qualifications", seek professional guidance on WHAT to do. We can then help with the "how to do that using gnucash". Especially in this specific case of "art held as an investment" because you might actually be doing this

Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-21 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 18/05/22 16:03, David Carlson ha scritto: Perhaps your question is not clear if it wasn't answered by several replies hinting that accountants treat various types of assets differently. Actually, yours was the first reply I got :) I am not an accountant,  so I  cannot know how well

Re: [GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-18 Thread Andrea Borgia
Any ideas? Was my question perhaps not sufficiently clear? Il giorno dom 15 mag 2022 alle ore 17:15 Andrea Borgia ha scritto: > Hello. > > > Trying to improve my book-keeping, I would like to tackle this issue now > so I went to the documentation, precisely "11.4

[GNC] unrealized gain / losses for mutual funds

2022-05-15 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello. Trying to improve my book-keeping, I would like to tackle this issue now so I went to the documentation, precisely "11.4.1. Unrealized Gains". Problem is, the example applies to a painting, that is an object whose value changes, not shares whose number remains constant but whose

Re: [GNC] mutual fund opening statement: ok in EUR, missing in USD

2022-04-18 Thread Andrea Borgia
Answering myself to add some information: * when reopening the books for 2021, I see that all EUR funds had a split belonging to Trading:Currency:EUR, whereas this year I did not use it * this gave me the idea to try entering the transaction from the "capital" account, instead of the mutual

[GNC] mutual fund opening statement: ok in EUR, missing in USD

2022-04-09 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello. I prefer to keep my books divided by year, so in spring I typically close the old book and start a new one with mostly the same accounts, been doing that for a while and I keep notes reminding myself of all the steps to take. I have a number of mutual funds, including one which is

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-04-20 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 17/04/21 19:47, John Ralls ha scritto: But if you sold only 50 shares Trading:XYZ would have a balance of -50 and Trading:EUR has a balance of €400. To find the capital gain you have to compute the basis of the remaining 50 shares and subtract it from the Trading:EUR balance. Yes,

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-04-17 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 11/04/21 18:41, John Ralls ha scritto: You may be confusing "recognized gains" and "realized gains". A realized gain (or loss) is the change in value between a buy and a sell transaction. In contrast an unrealized gain is the change in the value of an asset that you still own. If you

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-04-11 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 10/04/21 20:33, John Ralls ha scritto: 1) No, but that's separate from trading accounts. That's the point of the bug report. 2) No, the trading accounts just make it obvious that you haven't booked the gain/loss. 3) That's back to the discussion in the bug. When you trade securities in

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-04-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 09/04/21 18:59, John Ralls ha scritto: On Apr 9, 2021, at 9:37 AM, Andrea Borgia wrote: Il giorno dom 28 mar 2021 alle ore 03:04 Christopher Lam < christopher@gmail.com> ha scritto: There is some discussion in an unusually detailed bug report https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-04-09 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il giorno dom 28 mar 2021 alle ore 03:04 Christopher Lam < christopher@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > There is some discussion in an unusually detailed bug report > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797796 -- this originates in > GnuCash's transaction currency being permitted to be any

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-03-28 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 27/03/21 23:23, David Cousens ha scritto: As the (Income - Expense) is already recorded against Assets when you create the transactions, you are including them twice in the total you are calculating. Please keep in mind that I am neither an accountant nor a native English speaker,

Re: [GNC] closing of books and multiple currencies: a question on exchanges

2021-03-28 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 27/03/21 22:54, David Cousens ha scritto: On the mutual fund purchase. It is most likely that the fund will > have paid US taxes on its earnings so you are unlikely to be liable > for any tax in the US so there is likely little value in maintaining > US expense or income accounts. I base

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-03-28 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 27/03/21 19:04, Michael or Penny Novack ha scritto: Now we come to the end of the year, at which point let's say the exchange rate is $1.25/1 EUR. Those $1300 are no longer worth 1000 Eur. They are worth 1040 EUR. Your equity has gone up by 40 EUR. I will stop here because the issue of

Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-03-27 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 27/03/21 18:20, John Ralls ha scritto: Andrea, The most likely reason is that you failed to book a capital gain/loss from a stock sale or a currency exchange. Regards, John Ralls Hi, John. That could be interesting for 2021 since I bought quite a few USD to invest in a mutual fund but

[GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year

2021-03-27 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. As previously mentioned, each year I close the current gnucash book and open a new one. For 2020: "Initial capital of 2020" = "Asset of 2019"  - "Expenses of 2019"  + "Income of 2019" (there are no liabilities) For 2021 things are not right, apparently: * "assets of 2020"  -

Re: [GNC] closing of books and multiple currencies: a question on exchanges

2021-03-27 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello, David. Finally had time to go over your explanation with the books open, I'm adding my observations inline. If I read it correctly you will have paid originally in totally €320.44 for the laptop (€313.21 cost of the laptop + US$7.23 shipping/commission fees, which would have been a

Re: [GNC] closing of books and multiple currencies: a question on exchanges

2021-03-24 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 24/03/21 22:46, David Cousens ha scritto: Hi Andrea, OK it is only Euro and USD which makes it simpler. my apologies for the delay in replying. I was away from home yesterday, No worries, this is my personal accounting: it can wait when we all have time. Now it's late here, I'll go

Re: [GNC] closing of books and multiple currencies: a question on exchanges

2021-03-22 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 22/03/21 21:25, David Cousens ha scritto: In that case just credit paypal:usd for US$5.56 and debit the paypal:eur account for the relevant amount in euros at the date Paypal made the transfer (Paypal will usually have the exchange rate somewhere in the massive CSV file if you download

[GNC] closing of books and multiple currencies: a question on exchanges

2021-03-22 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Each year I open a new book and carry over asset / liabilities, also factoring in the year end results. So, all Income / Expenses accounts get closed by posting an entry with the total amount to a "Results" account or rather to "Results:EUR", "Results:USD" and so on. These new

Re: [GNC] weird price for LU0067412154

2021-03-18 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 18/03/21 14:41, D. via gnucash-user ha scritto: Well, considering that the NAV in the example is "USD 2150.31" and the 5366.43 in the example actually represents the fund size, I'd imagine you should get the former as the NAV. Yes, and at the moment it is working again. In the attached

Re: [GNC] weird price for LU0067412154

2021-03-18 Thread Andrea Borgia
esults. > > See attached screenshot - I think the problem lies with the long regular > expression on line 160. It contains a couple of "greedy" matches that > are probably causing a match on the last decimal number (Share Class > Size) instead of the first (NAV). > > G

Re: [GNC] weird price for LU0067412154

2021-03-17 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 17/03/21 20:32, Derek Atkins ha scritto: The screenshot didn't make it through the email, most likely because you sent it as an embedded image in HTML instead of as a text with attachment. Yes and I never had any issues before. Weird. My apologies. gnc-fq-dump morningstarch

Re: [GNC] weird price for LU0067412154

2021-03-17 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 17/03/21 20:12, Derek Atkins ha scritto: What quote source are you using? This doesn't work for me with Yahoo-JSON: It was in the first screenshot, here is the text version: gnc-fq-dump morningstarch LU0067412154 gnc-fq-dump mstaruk LU0067412154

[GNC] weird price for LU0067412154

2021-03-17 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Something odd is going on but I can't decide if it is F::Q at fault or GC: Thing is, the UK website lists a totally reasonable price, so it's either gnc-fq-dump or F::Q who is playing fast and loose with numbers :) The price editor is affected as well, actually that's how I found out.

Re: [GNC] Finance::Quote sort of works, almost

2021-02-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 05/02/21 02:16, Geoff ha scritto: If you are familiar with the perl programming language, you could try and fix the FTfunds.pm module yourself.  It should be using this web page: https://markets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=IE00BMWWJZ56:EUR Otherwise, you might be able to find

Re: [GNC] Finance::Quote sort of works, almost

2021-02-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 05/02/21 08:56, Geert Janssens ha scritto: Op vrijdag 5 februari 2021 02:16:53 CET schreef Geoff: I don't really understand what the GnuCash Namespace is intended for, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in this case. It is a useful way of organizing your securities in the Security

Re: [GNC] Finance::Quote sort of works, almost

2021-02-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 05/02/21 02:16, Geoff ha scritto: If you are familiar with the perl programming language, you could try and fix the FTfunds.pm module yourself.  It should be using this web page: https://markets.ft.com/data/funds/tearsheet/summary?s=IE00BMWWJZ56:EUR Otherwise, you might be able to find

Re: [GNC] Finance::Quote sort of works, almost

2021-02-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/02/21 01:13, Geoff ha scritto: Re (1). Next, in GnuCash, I set up the security to retrieve prices as "Unknown" / "morningstarch" and was able to retrieve a price successfully.  See attached screenshot.  I am running GnuCash 4.4 on Windows 10. Hi, Geoff. First of all, thanks for

[GNC] Finance::Quote sort of works, almost

2021-02-03 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Couple of weird issues getting F::Q to work on Debian "testing" with libfinance-quote-perl 1.49-1 gnucash   1:4.4-1 1) I have one fund whose quote is provided by Morningstar, LU0341736642: gnc-fq-dump works for "morningstarch"

Re: [GNC] How to install Gnucash 3.8 on Debian 10 "buster"?

2020-03-01 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 01/03/20 16:39, km22 ha scritto: I recently moved from Windows 7 (due to end of life) to Debian 10.  I have gnucash 3.4 installed from the standard repo.  However I think this version contains a bug as I cannot see any of the historical FX prices I stored in the Price Database. I think I

Re: [GNC] Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?

2019-03-17 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 17/03/19 08:54, David Cousens ha scritto: There are no examples yet unfortunately. I am doing a lot of testing of the new CSV importer with a view to updating the importer documentationbut it is still very much in progress. At the same time I am identifying any bugs that come up for fixing

Re: [GNC] retained earnings in balance sheet: where does it come from?

2019-03-13 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 10/03/19 10:16, Adrien Monteleone ha scritto: The fact that this is also the same amount as this particular transaction you entered for 13/01/17 is purely coincidental. (and should be, since it is entered in 2017 and you are running a balance sheet as of 31/12/16, unless you *aren’t*

Re: [GNC] import from csv messing with trailing quotation marks

2019-03-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
reply to self to add: also leading marks are affected. basically, all marks that appear at the very beginning or end of a description. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:

[GNC] import from csv messing with trailing quotation marks

2019-03-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Splitting multi-year book by exporting transactions to CSV and importing them in a new file, I noticed that trailing quotation marks (") in split descriptions have been replaced by a backslash. Am I doing something wrong during the export? I see there is a "quote" checkbox but there is

Re: [GNC] retained earnings in balance sheet: where does it come from?

2019-03-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 10/03/19 10:55, Liz ha scritto: If you have a negative balance do you pay a "negative" tax? Liz I have never tried but I assume you simply would pay nothing. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription

Re: [GNC] retained earnings in balance sheet: where does it come from?

2019-03-10 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 10/03/19 01:19, Adrien Monteleone ha scritto: Retained Earnings is posted when you perform a close book operation. (or manually zero your income/expense accounts to Equity) If you didn’t do this for 2015, there would be no entry. If you performed the 2016 close book operation in Jan 2017,

[GNC] retained earnings in balance sheet: where does it come from?

2019-03-09 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. While splitting a multi-year book, I saw that the (end of) 2016 balance sheet has an entry called "retained earnings" with a value of 54.10. A find-by-value gives me an entry in jan.2017 from an account which has a tax-related flag set (and can't be changed, too): am I correct in

Re: [GNC] Splitting a multi-year file

2019-03-09 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello, David. Thanks for the explanation. Rest of the comments are inline. To export the account tree use File->Export->Export Accounts to export the account structure into a new book file directly. It works fine with GnuCash V3.4. What version of GnuCash are you using and on what operating

Re: [GNC] Splitting a multi-year file

2019-03-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 03/03/19 20:29, Christian Kluge ha scritto: I’d suggest making balance sheets for each year to exported. Afterwards I would use File\Export\Transactions to CSV. There I would select the appropriate time range. I also would export the account structure to CSV. In the one-year-only file I

[GNC] Splitting a multi-year file

2019-03-03 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. For the past decade, I've had only a few gnucash files, not one per year: basically, I'd create a new one when the file would be large enough at the end of the year to notice that startup time. If I wanted to retroactively split them by single year as I started doing now, how could I do

Re: [GNC] insurance policy with guaranteed value: how to record increase in value?

2019-02-24 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello, Michael. Ah, my line of country, insurance. Good thing this is your field of expertise, mine is programming :) a) Do they not give you an annual statement? One that indicates increase in "cash value". I have the receipts for the payments made and I can check the current value on

[GNC] insurance policy with guaranteed value: how to record increase in value?

2019-02-23 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hello. I have an insurance policy which works like this: - after the initial payment, I could make additional payments, up to a month ago, and I did. - the company has to have 100% backing for the money received by customers for this product, meaning all of them could theoretically ask