Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-04-05 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 30/03/2015 8:28 am, Mike Ingle wrote: Why should the user need to delete one, rather than just be told there were two and the one with such-and-such a fingerprint (or the one highlighted) signed this message? If it is just a string in a key UID rather than a functional email address, it

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-04-04 Thread Ben McGinnes
On 24/03/2015 2:27 pm, Mike Ingle wrote: There has been some discussion on gnupg-users about replacing SMTP for secure email, and how BitMessage does not scale. There is an open source non-SMTP email system called Confidant Mail, which is based on GnuPG and hash table storage. The protocol

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-30 Thread Ville Määttä
On 25.03.15 22:32, Doug Barton wrote: On 3/25/15 1:20 PM, Ville Määttä wrote: On 25.03.15 21:41, Doug Barton wrote: While this is strictly anecdotal evidence I would argue that it's a good indication that we may not be ready for PGP/MIME as the default. I think that fail, a signature.asc

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-30 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Monday 30 March 2015 at 7:21:35 PM, in mid:5519942f.90...@asatiifm.net, Ville Määttä wrote: That's a mental breakdown of the user :). Sorry about the ambiguity. I find malformed emails full of HTML tags and almost totally unreadable

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-29 Thread Nick Econopouly
Any word on whether confidant mail will support the openpgp smart cards (or yubikey, similar)? -Nick On Mar 29, 2015 7:55 AM, MFPA 2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Saturday 28 March 2015 at 6:05:05 PM, in

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-29 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Saturday 28 March 2015 at 6:05:05 PM, in mid:5516df41.4090...@digitalbrains.com, Peter Lebbing wrote: No, but nobody said the adjective was used tautological. Maybe it doesn't imply or hint that to everybody, but it is definitely what I

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-29 Thread Mike Ingle
Any word on whether confidant mail will support the openpgp smart cards (or yubikey, similar)? -Nick With GPG 2.1, the gpg-agent handles all the passphrase prompting. I don't see why it would not work with a smartcard. Which one do you think I should get to test with? I have not played

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread Ville Määttä
On 26.03.15 18:17, Brian Minton wrote: I think gmail is the single most popular email client, with 500 million users. There are about 7,3 billion people out there that don't have a clue what OpenPGP is. I think that until there is a way to verify pgp signatures from within gmail,

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Minton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I think gmail is the single most popular email client, with 500 million users. I think that until there is a way to verify pgp signatures from within gmail, pgp/mime will continue to show up as an attachment. There are ways to use pgp/mime or

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 4:17:46 PM, in mid:canyoob3tfr0oyrmd6szweobdm-+fdjrmkb3snk5ott_rgvu...@mail.gmail.com, Brian Minton wrote: I think gmail is the single most popular email client, Gmail is an email service provider, not an

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-26 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Tuesday 24 March 2015 at 3:27:47 AM, in mid:5510d9b3.4090...@confidantmail.org, Mike Ingle wrote: More information and downloads at: https://www.confidantmail.org The intro page on your website says SMTP-compatible address format: keep

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread Ville Määttä
On 26.03.15 01:38, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: On 25/03/15 23:56, Ville Määttä wrote: On 26.03.15 00:14, Ingo Klöcker wrote: So it's not mailman that's not smart enough, but the mail clients the other recipients are using. Mail clients showing a signature.asc attachment probably do not

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Minton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:49 PM, MFPA 2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net wrote: Gmail is an email service provider, not an email client. They provide access via a webmail site for those who wish to process their email using a web browser,

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-26 Thread Antony Prince
On 3/26/2015 4:27 PM, MFPA wrote: Hi On Tuesday 24 March 2015 at 3:27:47 AM, in mid:5510d9b3.4090...@confidantmail.org, Mike Ingle wrote: More information and downloads at: https://www.confidantmail.org The intro page on your website says SMTP-compatible address format: keep your

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 8:10:08 PM, in mid:CANyOob2J-Kg_xaoPj9g7SRMsWrQPBZOGA=v9yg5noxlmslk...@mail.gmail.com, Brian Minton wrote: I meant what I said about them gmail being a client. This is only true in the limited sense that they

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-26 Thread Mike Ingle
From the bit of testing I did with it, it seems the email address is merely used as a user identifier. The domain is irrelevant. You could use nob...@nonexistent-domain.com and it would still work. The email address doesn't actually have to exist. I don't think it does since the email

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-26 Thread Antony Prince
On 3/26/2015 1:57 PM, Ville Määttä wrote: On 26.03.15 01:38, Daniele Nicolodi wrote: On 25/03/15 23:56, Ville Määttä wrote: On 26.03.15 00:14, Ingo Klöcker wrote: So it's not mailman that's not smart enough, but the mail clients the other recipients are using. Mail clients showing a

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-26 Thread Mike Ingle
At present, there is no key verification built in and you have to check the key fingerprint (which is always shown to the right of the address) or check a signature chain on your key using a GPG key manager. Or you can Trust On First Use, if it suits your threat model. That's more or

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-26 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 9:26:35 PM, in mid:5514798b.7020...@confidantmail.org, Mike Ingle wrote: Yes, the email address is just an identifier. The address is used in two ways. One, it is hashed with SHA1 and used to look up the

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-25 Thread Mike Ingle
Notwithstanding the security compromise from building SMTP gateways, some people are pretty attached to their favourite MUA. Have you any thoughts about accommodating them by enabling your Confidant Mail client or server to function as a local email proxy? The user interface has to do a lot of

FW: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-25 Thread Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh
Doug, Signature shows as an attachment signature.asc. No evidence that PGP actions were envoked. Work forces use of Synaptic PGP, so I cannot tell if it is verified or not. Thanks, Bob Cavanaugh signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature.asc

PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/25/15 11:08 AM, Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh wrote: Doug, Signature shows as an attachment signature.asc. No evidence that PGP actions were envoked. Work forces use of Synaptic PGP, so I cannot tell if it is verified or not. Thanks Bob, that is interesting feedback. FWIW, I have received

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread martijn.list
On 03/25/2015 08:41 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 3/25/15 11:08 AM, Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh wrote: Doug, Signature shows as an attachment signature.asc. No evidence that PGP actions were envoked. Work forces use of Synaptic PGP, so I cannot tell if it is verified or not. Thanks Bob, that is

Re: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail

2015-03-25 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Tuesday 24 March 2015 at 10:55:04 PM, in mid:5511eb48.7020...@confidantmail.org, Mike Ingle wrote: The user interface has to do a lot of things differently from SMTP MUAs - display signatures, check for keys, SMTP MUAs that interface

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Ville Määttä
On 25.03.15 21:41, Doug Barton wrote: While this is strictly anecdotal evidence I would argue that it's a good indication that we may not be ready for PGP/MIME as the default. I think that fail, a signature.asc attachment, is still a cleaner fail than a non-PGP receiver getting a breakdown from

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/25/15 1:20 PM, Ville Määttä wrote: On 25.03.15 21:41, Doug Barton wrote: While this is strictly anecdotal evidence I would argue that it's a good indication that we may not be ready for PGP/MIME as the default. I think that fail, a signature.asc attachment, is still a cleaner fail than a

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread MFPA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Wednesday 25 March 2015 at 7:41:56 PM, in mid:55130F84.3000603@dougbarton.email, Doug Barton wrote: While this is strictly anecdotal evidence I would argue that it's a good indication that we may not be ready for PGP/MIME as the

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Samir Nassar
On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 12:41:56 PM Doug Barton wrote: On 3/25/15 11:08 AM, Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh wrote: Doug, Signature shows as an attachment signature.asc. No evidence that PGP actions were envoked. Work forces use of Synaptic PGP, so I cannot tell if it is verified or not. Most

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Samir Nassar
On Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:56:03 AM Ville Määttä wrote: It seems to me that emails sent and signed by Thunderbird + Enigmail are displayed just fine by it. No signature.asc quirks. But emails sent by others are displaying the attachment in addition to the normal Enigmail added UI signature

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Daniele Nicolodi
On 25/03/15 23:56, Ville Määttä wrote: On 26.03.15 00:14, Ingo Klöcker wrote: So it's not mailman that's not smart enough, but the mail clients the other recipients are using. Mail clients showing a signature.asc attachment probably do not understand PGP/MIME (which isn't that unusual because

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Ville Määttä
On 26.03.15 00:14, Ingo Klöcker wrote: So it's not mailman that's not smart enough, but the mail clients the other recipients are using. Mail clients showing a signature.asc attachment probably do not understand PGP/MIME (which isn't that unusual because only a handful mail clients support

Re: PGP/MIME (Was: One alternative to SMTP for email: Confidant Mail)

2015-03-25 Thread Xavier Maillard
Doug Barton dougb@dougbarton.email writes: On 3/25/15 11:08 AM, Bob (Robert) Cavanaugh wrote: Doug, Signature shows as an attachment signature.asc. No evidence that PGP actions were envoked. Work forces use of Synaptic PGP, so I cannot tell if it is verified or not. Thanks Bob, that is