Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Nicola Pero
Additionally I really dislike the coding style, not because it's not mine, but because it fails to make the code more readable. On the other hand, there was code by Fred which looked really ok, so maybe it's just about using the coding style in a sane way All I wanted to say is, that it's

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Derek Fawcus
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 12:52:34AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, Well, having just glanced at a few docs, depending upon the desired level of compatibility, the approach outlined above seems reasonable. Most underline styles seem to have appeared with OSX 10.3 - i.e. the

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 9 Oct 2009, at 13:03, Felix Holmgren wrote: While I sympathize with David who prefers (or is used) to some other coding style, the GNUstep project needs a consistent coding style and the GNU coding standard are as good a choice as any. Since GNUstep is a GNU project, it's a natural

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread icicle
Hi! While I think the wiki is a good idea, it's not a substitute for an official project page, which needs to say: - This project is alive. - This project is shiny. - This project is actively used by some people. I'm with you there :) As much as I love GNUstep base, I do not like GNUstep

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Pablo Giménez
Well as I really new GNUstep user, at least for the last week :) I will try to put my two cents here: As a new user I ahve to say I have been trying to use GNUstep for a while but two weeks ago I found the time to compile and install everything. So for a new user is not easy to get GNUstep, there

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Kack
On 2009-10-08 02:08:35 +0200 Riccardo Mottola mul...@ngi.it wrote: Hi all, I have not had much time to look at GNUMail, but I just set the delegat to nil in the controllers to avoid the crashes when the toolbar is trying to dealloc. I have attached the diff to this mail - but I guess someone

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Pablo Giménez
100% agree 2009/10/9 Sergii Stoian stoyan...@gmail.com Hi, Gregory. Hi, guys. I can't resist expressing my opinion on GNUstep changes as I see it. I've defined several problem areas of GNUstep: 1. Maturity of GNUstep code for developers (functionality, docs, stability) 2. GUI appearance

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Felix Holmgren
While I sympathize with David who prefers (or is used) to some other coding style, the GNUstep project needs a consistent coding style and the GNU coding standard are as good a choice as any.  Since GNUstep is a GNU project, it's a natural choice. Given that part of the aim of GNUstep is

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 09.10.2009 um 11:27 schrieb Sergii Stoian: World (all stuff outside of GNUstep) acceptance of GNUstep as alternative developer framework that will help creating of alternative desktop environment. Now I can't resist to comment either ;-) Platforms aren't just a set of kernel and

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Gregory Casamento
See below... On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 09.10.2009 um 11:27 schrieb Sergii Stoian: World (all stuff outside of GNUstep) acceptance of GNUstep as alternative developer framework that will help creating of alternative desktop environment. Now I

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread David Chisnall
On 9 Oct 2009, at 16:34, Gregory Casamento wrote: I'm sorry to hear this. GNUstep, in my opinion, does need something similar to Cocotron's SDK. Dr. Schaller has already made something similar for ARM so that he can cross compile for the ARM platform so it's not terribly difficult... it's

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Sergii Stoian
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:06:45 +0300, Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de wrote: Am 09.10.2009 um 11:27 schrieb Sergii Stoian: World (all stuff outside of GNUstep) acceptance of GNUstep as alternative developer framework that will help creating of alternative desktop environment. Now I can't

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Gregory Casamento
Stef, This does seem to be the consensus Now we need help to actually make it happen. GC On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Stef Bidi stefanb...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to reply to all! On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Nicola Pero nicola.p...@meta-innovation.com wrote: It would

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Sergii, please see below. Am 09.10.2009 um 17:34 schrieb Gregory Casamento: Command line stuff is - well many users don't know what a command line is, after all. ?? I'm not sure what you mean here. Well, malfunctions in GNUstep are often answered by a few text commands which fix

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Matt Rice
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Nicola Pero nicola.p...@meta-innovation.com wrote: Additionally I really dislike the coding style, not because it's not mine, but because it fails to make the code more readable. On the other hand, there was code by Fred which looked really ok, so maybe it's

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Quentin Mathé
Le 9 oct. 2009 à 20:48, Matt Rice a écrit : On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Nicola Pero nicola.p...@meta-innovation.com wrote: By the way the GNU coding standards are not bad, in fact I personally like them (mostly because my eyesight is really bad and whitespace is much more effective at

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Matt Rice
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Quentin Mathé qma...@gmail.com wrote: Le 9 oct. 2009 à 20:48, Matt Rice a écrit : On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Nicola Pero nicola.p...@meta-innovation.com wrote: By the way the GNU coding standards are not bad, in fact I personally like them (mostly

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 09.10.2009 um 20:23 schrieb David Chisnall: On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:19, Gregory Casamento wrote: Well, yeah... I do know about pbxbuild since I helped develop it. The point is that the majority of mac devs expect things to be done completely from the mac. My point was that this is

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hey, I think you have many good points there. However, GNUstep is a wide project and targets many different users. Many things you want do not clash with other goals, they only divert manpower. But keep in consideration that in an opensource project people do whatever they deem interesting or

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hey, Gregory Casamento wrote: Accordingly, work on e.g. a GNUstep terminal app is pointless, as there are two dozen other terminal apps out there already. Strongly preferring WindowMaker is plain counter productive. I believe we need to start integrating better with other

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Sergii Stoian
Hi, Riccardo. 2009/10/9 Riccardo Mottola mul...@ngi.it Hey, I think you have many good points there. However, GNUstep is a wide project and targets many different users. Many things you want do not clash with other goals, they only divert manpower. But keep in consideration that in an

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Gregory Casamento
I'm not a huge fan of the gnu coding standards. To me if the code is good and makes sense the formatting is secondary. On Friday, October 9, 2009, Matt Rice ratm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Quentin Mathé qma...@gmail.com wrote: Le 9 oct. 2009 à 20:48, Matt Rice a écrit

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Fred Kiefer
David Chisnall schrieb: IMP caching is a bit more complicated. The new runtime supports a means of invalidating IMP caches, which means that the compiler will be able to automatically insert (polymorphic) IMP caching and even speculatively inline methods. Doing this well will require

Re: Changes I've been thinking of...

2009-10-09 Thread Nicola Pero
By the way the GNU coding standards are not bad, in fact I personally like them (mostly because my eyesight is really bad and whitespace is much more effective at separating tokens than brackets or commas). There are some details I'd change, but they certainly are not an unusual or