[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Andrew A. Adams
The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain available online to anyone who wants to read or use it. I was hoping that the new government might be less star-struck than the previous one. Plus

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Jan Velterop
Strict logic is not what we win the battle for open access with. Some celebrity involvement is to be welcomed. On a visceral level the success of Wikipedia (not a logical outcome at the outset on the basis of the premises) may well influence the perception of open access. Jan Velterop On 2

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread brent...@ulg.ac.be
Sorry, but I disagree with this. I understand all the help that celebrities can bring to a cause, but the choice of the celebrity should be wise. In this case, there is a dangerous risk of mixing up concepts. Wikipedia is, by definition, the negation of peer reviewing. Or, at best, it is

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I very much welcome this appointment. He is no stranger to scholpub - here is an example of him publishing Wikiproteins, in a peer-reviewed journal (with a high imact factor for those who worry): http://genomebiology.com/2008/9/5/R89 And dare we say - he has built a repository that people

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-05-02, at 9:28 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: On 2 May 2012, at 13:32, Stevan Harnad wrote: Andrew is so right (and the current UK government is showing as much good sense in turning to JW as they showed for many years in turning to RM). Wikipedia is based on the antithesis of peer

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Jan Szczepanski
I wrote a piece a couple of years ago and compared the archives with the backyard steel furnaces during the Big Leap in China. At last an European government has the courage to change all that. We can expect a modern steel industry that will have a global impact. We time of the evangelist is at

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Andrew A . Adams
The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain available online to anyone who wants to read or use it. I was hoping that the new government might be less star-struck than the previous one. Plus

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Jan Velterop
Strict logic is not what we win the battle for open access with. Some celebrity involvement is to be welcomed. On a visceral level the success of Wikipedia (not a logical outcome at the outset on the basis of the premises) may well influence the perception of open access. Jan Velterop On 2

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread brentier
Sorry, but I disagree with this. I understand all the help that celebrities can bring to a cause, but the choice of the celebrity should be wise. In this case, there is a dangerous risk of mixing up concepts. Wikipedia is, by definition, the negation of peer reviewing. Or, at best, it is

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Tim Brody
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 19:00 +0900, Andrew A. Adams wrote: The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain available online to anyone who wants to read or use it. I was hoping that the new

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Rob Ingram
“This initiative is most likely to result in a central repository that will host all research articles that result from public funding.”   Why use the existing distributed system of institutional repositories when you can waste even more public money on a huge centralised IT project?  

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-05-02, at 6:00 AM, Andrew A. Adams wrote: The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain available online to anyone who wants to read or use it. I was hoping that the new government might be

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Les A Carr
I don't think we need to worry about WIkipedia because Jimmy Wales is being used as an expert in crowd-sourced knowledge initiatives, rather than the purveyor of a system for providing OA. In the UK I think that the best way forward is to embrace the welcome aspects of the government's

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Leslie Chan
Access List (Successor of AmSci) goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:29 +0100 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) goal@eprints.org Subject: [GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme In my view

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Jan Velterop
On 2 May 2012, at 13:32, Stevan Harnad wrote: Andrew is so right (and the current UK government is showing as much good sense in turning to JW as they showed for many years in turning to RM). Wikipedia is based on the antithesis of peer review. Asking JW to help make sure peer-reviewed

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I very much welcome this appointment. He is no stranger to scholpub - here is an example of him publishing  Wikiproteins, in a peer-reviewed journal (with a high imact factor for those who worry): http://genomebiology.com/2008/9/5/R89 And dare we say - he has built a repository that people

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-05-02, at 9:28 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: On 2 May 2012, at 13:32, Stevan Harnad wrote: Andrew is so right (and the current UK government is showing as much good sense in turning to JW as they showed for many years in turning to RM). Wikipedia is based on the antithesis of peer

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Jan Velterop
On 2 May 2012, at 15:31, Stevan Harnad wrote: On 2012-05-02, at 9:28 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: On 2 May 2012, at 13:32, Stevan Harnad wrote: Andrew is so right (and the current UK government is showing as much good sense in turning to JW as they showed for many years in turning to RM).

[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
Thanks to Jan for pointing out that JW is consulting on OA for the UK government for free. I apologize for having assumed otherwise! On the expertise JW brings to bear on OA, that remains to be seen... Stevan Harnad On 2012-05-02, at 10:56 AM, Jan Velterop wrote: On 2 May 2012, at 15:31,