Hi Cornel,
Thanks for your response. Also thanks for keeping it rationale and intellectual.
My only comment to your post is that you have now started using terminology as
some Catholic Goans which is very good.
But your post ends as anathema/evil of caste among the Catholic Goans and
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GL responds:
I hate to ask the questions to you (Cornel) and
Mario? Your English writing is very good!... But
Mario replies (A) to Gilbert's questions (Q),
wondering if this is part of his research into the
caste system.
(Q) Do you guys read English?
(A) Since
GL responds:
I hate to ask the questions to you and Mario?
Your English writing is very good!... But
Do you guys read English?
If you do, do you understand it?
If you understand it, can you interpret the obvious?
When you quote other people can you quote the facts and the truth?
When you quote
Note to Bosco. I am unable to get my post below in Plain Text,
unfortunately, for inexplicable reasons. Please can you help on this count?
Thanks, Cornel
Hi Gilbert,
Many thanks for your post to me.
Regarding your point that culture is an important aspect of Society, it is
entirely true and
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am sure all aspects of Goan Culture in the prior
paragraph is too confusing for Mario and perhaps
others (no names) in the Goan Diaspora to put
together. This is especially so without any formal
comprehensive reading. Do not feel bad, because I
was like that
Hi Cornel,
Thanks for your last post on this thread.
I said, and you reteriorated, that I am 'ek supurlo Goenkar' earnestly trying
to study and understand Goan culture and behavior. From your post, it looks
like I have been making the grave human error of saying to the English Emperor:
--- D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario,
Your comment organized system of discrimination
needs more elucidation.
Does caste system have a hidden name or is it backed
by trust/foundation with an office, email address and
telephone number? Does it have founder members and
Mario,
Your comment organized system of discrimination needs more
elucidation.
Does caste system have a hidden name or is it backed by trust/foundation
with an office, email address and telephone number? Does it have
founder members and working committee members who conduct meetings and
raise
Gilbert,
Why do you give me such opportunities, which I cannot
resist? As probably one of the most vociferous
Anti-castists (I don't know who coined this name, but
I like it) I say, with apologies to President Geoge W.
Bush, You are either with us, or with the
Pro-castists. What does someone in
Gabriel de Figueiredo
Hi Gabriel,
I fully concur with your post. That's the way I was taught and brought
up by my family, and my village in Goa and in my Catholic education in
Goa and in Bombay. So I do not know where these guys come up with
blanket statements. Of course there are going to be the
GL responds:
Teotonio thanks for your compliments and you liking my analogy of
caste-identification
Makhan bhazi or flattery? Could not find any such indication from the
portion of reproduced excerpt.
Come into my parlour, said the spider to the fly? Try responding to Sammy
Vaz's ZATHI ANI
: 27 February 2005 18:10
To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet]Re: Goans and caste
Hi Gilbert:
I have come to the conclusion you are right.
All 8 positions you have taken are right.
All 16 denials of those 8 positions are right.
All 24 unrelated issues of those 16 denials
Gilbert is now taking Mrs. Mascarenhass advice and advising himself in Goan
cyberspace! Gilbert,
please stop, you have already won the Humor category.
Regards,
George
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like Mrs. Mascarenhas says about Goans, So I'll be blunt: acting like a
How much more polite do you want me to be!
Like Mrs. Mascarenhas says about Goans, So I'll be blunt: acting like
a giant baby is not how to make it the world.
GL
George Pinto
In his post today Gilbert says I am distracting from the Goans and
caste topic in my responses. He then goes on to
All,
In his post today Gilbert says I am distracting from the Goans and caste
topic in my responses.
He then goes on to distract us again with his position. Here are HIS
statements on caste and
Goans from HIS post, ALL I suppose SOMEHOW relate to Caste and Goans.
Presumably, he in entered in
Hi Gilbert:
I have come to the conclusion you are right.
All 8 positions you have taken are right.
All 16 denials of those 8 positions are right.
All 24 unrelated issues of those 16 denials of those 8 positions are right.
All 32 variants of those 24 unrelated issues of those 16 denials of those
Hi George,
Thanks for the feedback. Do you think you could give others a chance
especially those who talk to you in word or in spirit on this subject?
Your post (before last) accused me of being distracted...
That's because I was courteous enough to respond to your distracting
views. And of
All,
Gilbert's statement is curious and wrong for the following reasons:
1. The vast, overwhelming consensus is that the caste system is alive and well
among some Goan
Catholics and in the Goa church. Except for Gilbert, most (all?) of the posts
appear to suggest
it exists. So I am not sure
My response, in this article to you is clearly in sorrow. How on earth can a
seemingly 'educated' and professional Catholic fellow like you (and I will
include Basil Monteiro here) possibly defend the indefensible on caste? Can
you not see that you could never have the moral highground
Hi Santosh,
So very nice to hear from you.
By all means you can take full credit for that compliment.
You were the only one who stood there and carried on a civil and
educational (for both of us and others) dialogue on Goa's Inquisition
from which we all learnt.
You did not feel defensive and
Being on vacation and blessedly losing the thread of
this discussion, I am trying to figure out how a
debate about the diabolical caste system and the
obvious contradiction between this ancient social
stratification of Hindu society and the teachings of
Christ, who preached that all human beings
I think Gilbert is blinded by computer glare as he reads the posts. There is no
other explanation
for his inane responses, without basic logic. See his responses to my original
post.
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reason why I brought up the celebration of Blessed Joseph
GL responds:
George is welcome to ignore this post! However other cyberGoans should
not be denied the analysis. To begin with, let me apologize for his
outburst. I also apologize for the logic escaping GP about Blessed
Joseph Vaz - the Patron Saint of Goa. People do get 'hot under the
collar' when
This is a response to Gilbert's two recent emails on caste and Goans. I had
chosen to ignore the
first one, but when fiction is repeated, it deserves a response at least to get
some basic facts
right.
Either Gilbert does not think through the issues or ignores the facts or is in
haste
GL responds:
No more excuses!
Raise the money!
Offer it DIRECTLY TO THE LOWER CASTE CATHOLIC Goans who desire to join
the seminary but cannot afford it.
Let's see if there are any Givers and Takers.
It can't get any simpler.
Regards indifference of Europeans to Goan/Asian saints. Please tell us:
GL responds:
For the benefit of Diaspora Goans and those not familiar with the caste
identification, can you please oblige by putting a caste to the names of
the Ministers in the two govt.? Thus we will know the caste groupings in
the government and how well it reflects the population it
In response to Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But perhaps if Cornell and others feel there is casteism in Goa's
Catholic church and DISCRIMINATION OF LOWER CASTE and want do something
about it (rather than just talk and write), they can offer financially
support for the cost of seeking
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But perhaps if Cornell and others feel there is casteism in Goa's
Catholic church and DISCRIMINATION OF LOWER CASTE and want do something
about it (rather than just talk and write), they can offer financially
support for the cost of seeking
Solly, ol' boy, it was I .chuk zalli, mataró zatam re saiba... senility,
decreptitude creeps in; foward-leaping G-net leaps away, leaving the age
challenged to challenge age...
Alfred Methuselah
From: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: RE: Goans and Caste again
Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
Hi Mario:
In fact, one could describe you as very hostile to
anyone who may demonstrate an inclination to caste
considerations as your post below and others suggest.
Mario clarifies:
Gilbert, I am not hostile to anyone personally, but
militantly and fundamentally opposed
Hi Mario:
Thanks for reading my post on this thread and responding to it. From
your past posts and views on this subject, you are far from being an
apologist about caste attitudes among Goans. In fact, one could describe
you as very hostile to anyone who may demonstrate an inclination to
caste
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] not known to me wrote:
Were that the case Dr Joe, the 'mestizos' and 'anglos' would have lived a
charmed life istead of the piteously precarious lot that, with the exception
of a few intrepid 'Kims', has been has predominatly dogged them.
Of course with this new system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: Goans and Caste
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:13:55 -0800 (PST)
Jose responds:
I wonder if the european automatically becomes
one of the upper caste in the Varna (colour) system.
Were that the case Dr
Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario wrote:
These hypocrites have also welcomed a third son's
wife, WHO IS EUROPEAN.
I am not aware of any circumstance other than
marriage where the issue of caste is relevent among
Catholic Goans.
Jose responds:
I wonder if the european automatically
Gilbert,
I will respond to you. Regret I have to be away for ten days from tonight.
Cornel
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I personally know a family in India where one son married a very
accomplished girl from another caste, and she is not welcome in the parent's
house, even after over 5 years of marriage.
Another son has married within their caste and is welcome.
These
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cornel to Gilbert:
On another point, I believe that you are inclined to
suggest, or at least, desperately want to believe,
that all this evil caste business was a thing
of the past, and if prevalent at all today, it is
limited to a few. So let me
Goans and Caste - Getting Hot Under the Collar
Hi Cornell:
I have waited to the weekend to respond to your post. The weekend gives
us the writers and the readers more time to digest this topic. It may
also be a welcome break for the native Goans who must be overdosed
reading stories of the
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