[Goanet]History Hour, Jan 6
HISTORY HOUR XAVIER CENTRE OF HISTORICAL RESEARCH Cordially invites you to the screening of and open forum on Goa Freedom Struggle VCD at Xavier Centre of Historical Research B. B. Borkar Road Alto Porvorim Thursday, 6th January 2005 5. 30 pm Tel: 2417772 ; 2414971 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Year of the Airport (Update)
High flying By: Vir Sanghvi January 2, 2005 Have you ever wondered why it is so difficult to find a seat on an aircraft that leaves India during the peak season? Are you surprised when you read news reports about passengers who stage dharnas at airports because they have been off-loaded from flights on which they have confirmed bookings? And when you read that India has finally welcomed three million tourists this year (in itself a bogus figure because 'tourists' includes businessmen and returning NRIS), do you not find it odd that we should get less than half the tourists of countries like Thailand and even tiny Singapore? There's a simple, single reason for all of the above - government. - - - B) Whatever Praful Patel achieves, nothing will really change till we recognise that our international airports are a monumental embarrassments. They are cramped, ugly and badly designed. Worse still, they charge among the highest landing fees in the region for the lowest calibre of services. If you were to wind up the Airports Authority of India and hand the management of our airports over to a class of 11-year-old children, they would probably do a better job. And then, there are the agencies that man the airport. I haven't travelled out of Bombay recently but things have got better in Delhi. Customs are polite and helpful; the CISF is a vast improvement on the Delhi police; and even Immigration is finally making an effort. But there are too many different agencies under too many different ministries for us to be sure that these improvements will persist. So, we desperately need some inter-disciplinary supervisory mechanism. I know that Praful is aware of the importance of airports. But he can't do very much on his own. Now that this government has finally made some revolutionary decisions about aviation, it should also ensure that India has the airports that we, its passengers, deserve. By arrangement with The Hindustan Times [from Mid-Day]
[Goanet]RIBANDAR NEW YEAR'S DAY SERENADE
Dear Goanetters. This is a copy of the editorial in Goa Herald on 3rd of January. Have a God blessed new Year. Ivar Fjeld Ribandar. Shame Goa, shame. Shame Goa, shame Shame on you Goa! Shame on all the people who came to Goa to enjoy themselves and shame on all the people, who made pious sounding statements and then danced the night away on December 31. In case many of you'll had forgotten India was struck by a double tragedy - the death of former primer minister P V Narashima Rao and a tragedy that cannot be erased from the memory of Indian history. The deaths resulting from the tsunami tragedy in the eastern coastal belt of India and the rest of India. And while the world grieved - from New York to Japan - Goa was one big party. There was rejoicing everywhere, parties galore, bright lights all over the place and yes even the good old Governor decided to shake a leg at the longest dance party and drink a cup of cheer at a private party. Congratulations, yes congratulations and Happy New Year, because while President A PJ Kalam and all other dignitaries shared their sorrow by not celebrating the New Year, people in Goa decided to welcome 2005 with fireworks, lights and lots of noise. Was it a blaze of glory or a blaze of shame? What happened to all those pious statements of condolence and sympathy? What was the use of having special collections and funds when we, Goans, could not respect the tragedy that hit India? What happened to all the famous celebrities who raise objection over certain events, where are they now and how come no concert, no special event is being held to raise funds for the tsunami victims? What happened to all the high flying people who come to use Goa as a base to party and just party - could there not be one day of non- partying as a mark of respect? And what about us Goans, where was that sense of compassion? Was it sufficient in just giving a few hundred rupees to a charity and saying, poixe dilear sogle bore, so it is not surprising that people label this State as free and easy and that anything goes in Goa. Only if there was some restraint, some care shown like some restaurants in Calangute who refused to party as a mark of respect. Just donating one days salary and making a big show was not sufficient, because by throwing all the parties, dancing the night away and allowing lights to burn throughout the night showed our disrespect and lack of compassion. And this includes all the big wigs - practice what you preach and do not be a hypocrite by saying something and doing something else. Yes, shame on you Goa, shame on all people who partied on December 31 and shame on all the celebrities with their double speak. Because all the lights you burnt on December 31 to welcome the New Year were not celebrations but lights of shame. Shame. --- Dear Fellow netters, Earlier it was Maria Rodrigues. The e-mail by this Gentleman comes as no suprise. If he is trying to imply that the residents of Ribandar should not have held the New Year day's traditional serenade what does this new settler have to say about the week long music and cultural programs organized by the local Church. We have all read the editorial in the esteemed daily Herald. The newspaper could have led by example and done its bit of mourning cum sacrifice and shown the real respect for the double tragedy by refusing to publish all the high revenue half page and quarter page advertisements of all the shows over the Christmas week. They have made money by advertising to the world all the dances and bashes and now tell us that everyone should have stayed home in mourning as a mark of respect to the double tragedy. Why did the newspaper not refuse the advertisments. This they will not do as the newspapers have made the best of the advertisement bonanza over the festive season. Yes, Tsunami has been a catastrophic disaster. We have to all try and help the relief work in which ever way possible but where does the mourning period end. Life has to go on. It may be freezing cold in Norway but the warm people of Ribandar have their own traditional way of serenading on New Year's day. The young and the old all had a ball of a time. No black faces. Only the local church whose lights usually burn on unto dawn mysteriously chose that evening to turn off the lights and plunge the Church premises nto darkness while the serenade was passing by. Viva Ribandar, a great place that has tempted people from across the globe to migrate to.You could not get it warmer. Let's keep it warm and the way it has always been. For those whom the heat is unbearable there's always another place which may be cold enough Aires Rodrigues Ribandar
Re:[Goanet] Indonesian Earthquake
It looks like we have unleashed another earthquake of seething wrath from Santosh, and will now be inundated by the resulting tsunami of carefully selected left-wing propaganda. He gives his own obvious bias away when he starts with an attack on the ownership and political bent of a newspaper, rather than deal just with the issues. The wrath of a woman scorned is only exceeded by the wrath of a committed left-wing propagandist confronted with the possibility that global warming may be modest, that warming and cooling has happened before prior to the industrial revolution, and the causes of global warming may have little to do with human endeavor and a lot to do with natural causes little affected by man. Frozen Siberia was once covered by forests. Lush North America was once covered with a sheet of ice, all before the first automobile was invented. How do we deal with just Mount St. Helens, now belching several years worth of man-made greenhouse gases into the atmosphere ever day. Try putting a cork on that one small natural cause! Or the gases produced by rotting vegetation worldwide or the effects from evaporation from all bodies of water. This is a far more complex and controversial issue than the absolute, left-wing version, their absolute solutions and the politically motivated exemptions in their treaties for India and China, two large and fast growing economies with little or no environmental controls. Since failing to use socialism and communism to bring the world down to the lowest common denominator, the left-wing has decided to try and achieve the same ends through the only remaining option available to them, the environment. The attempt will fail just as surely as the previous one did.
[Goanet]Mathany Saldanha on Mopa airport and Low spending tourists
Headline: 'Goa Is Certainly More Than Sun And Sand' Source: Express Travel Tourism, Dec.2004 at http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200412/goafocus01.shtml Excerpt: The minister for tourism in the Goa government, Matanhy Saldanha is a pragmatic thinker and believes in taking action. He has already taken several steps to professionalise tourism in Goa. Talking to Express Travel Tourism, he sketches a guideline of his action plan Q: What have been your priorities as tourism minister of Goa? A: The first priority has been to improve the infrastructure. In every sense, this needs to be done, although things are much better than before. Good roads, clean public places, regular and quality of water and power supply, these are what we have to strive for. These are essential facilities that can hold a tourist to a destination. We will work as much as we can in these areas. We cannot go on attracting tourists without providing the basic facilities. Q: Are you in favour of the second airport in Goa? A: We don't really need to support another airport. Goa is a small place. If we need a second airport, we need to make it viable and sustainable, by adding more flights at least 80 flights. The Sea Bird project is ready so the navy could shift thereby providing us full use of the present airport. The Dabolim airport was always civilian property. Look at the old gazettes. So, why waste money on a new airport. We can use the money to help the Navy shift their station from Goa. Its purpose can well be served by the Sea Bird project. The present airport is enough. We can have a long-term vision, which can be fulfilled by shifting the naval station; a new airport is not my priority. Also, having another airport so close to the existing one is not proper. Q: There has always been talk that Goa attracts low spending tourism. What is being done to change that perception? A: Tourism in Goa has evolved over the decades. For me, all tourists are important, and I would not like to differentiate between a high-spending one and the others. The quality of services and facilities that we offer will attract tourists to Goa, whether high or low spending. High spending tourists need not necessarily boost the economic conditions of the local people. They may benefit a very small section of the population. No doubt we want high -end tourists, but, other tourists are also important. Full text at http://www.expresstravelandtourism.com/200412/goafocus01.shtml = Mathany Saldanha undertook to consider resigning if the River Princess was not moved by the end of Jan 2005. Elvis Gomes is the new Director of Tourism whist remaing Captain of Ports (clash of interests?). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/2004
[Goanet]From Switzerland
I wish you all the best for the NEW YEAR 2005. I hope you all passed a pleasant festive season away from the natural disasters with a small thought and prayers for the victimes. Pls. if you can, could you influence our Tourism department to find another slogan for tourism, because the one they want to do is really stupid and pretentious, nobody can predict these things. With the present world mood (our tourism guys has to see the international TV news) this slogan will be counter productive may be leading even individual to boycot us. I assure you really people a so disturbed and touched (I had never seen such a concern with people here) that is why such an unprecedented international solidarity. It will be a blunder to try to cash on this type of misery. Thanks Norman
[Goanet]Installation, 'Oceanic' in Mumbai
Jindal South West Foundation has invited Dr. Subodh Kerkar to present his installations titled 'Oceanic' in Mumbai, as part of the Mumbai Festival celebrations. Subodh will create half a kilometer of his installations on the rocky sea frontage of Priyadarshani Park, Nepean Sea Road, Mumbai. The installations will be open to the public from the 14th to the 23rd of January 2005 between 5:00 and 10:00 p.m. Subodh will also create an installation using 2,000 sandals, washed ashore by the sea. This installation is in memory of those who disappeared in Tsunami Wave. Subodh's installations are very site specific and the installations in Mumbai will be different from the ones created on Miramar beach, as part of IFFI celebrations.
[Goanet]Year of the Airport (But let's forget Goa's -- for now)
No landing space Business Standard / New Delhi January 03, 2005 With passenger traffic growing by 24 per cent in April-September '04, or double the growth in the same period last year, the government's decision to allow private Indian carriers to fly overseas is a more than welcome move. Add to this the fact that planes are finally being bought for the two public sector carriers, and it's evident the country's aviation sector is finally getting the focus it deserves. Indeed, this growth makes India one of the fastest-growing segments in the world. The growth is not just in domestic traffic (which grew 27 per cent) but also in international traffic (19 per cent) as well as cargo (21 per cent). But if you have more planes, where are they to land? While the government has talked of the Delhi and Mumbai airports being privatised, this was a promise first made by the Vajpayee government early in its tenure; indeed, as many as eight Cabinet notes have been prepared on the matter. With no action on the ground, both traffic hubs remain at the bottom of the heap as far as global airports go. The International Air Transport Association's (IATA) last airport survey of 57 big international airports ranked Mumbai and Delhi as 56th and 57th, respectively. Apart from the fact that even a few days of fog over the last couple of weeks has thrown flights out of gear since the aviation regime (the airports and the airlines) hasn't been able to coordinate its act on low visibility flying, the other issue is that airports like Delhi and Mumbai (and these are the best in the country) simply do not have the capacity to handle more traffic today. Mumbai still handles less than a fourth of what Heathrow does and Delhi does just around 18 per cent. So, if the open skies policy and the new planes result in more traffic, as they are intended to do, flying in the country is going to become an even bigger nightmare. To put things in perspective, China has just spent $2.4 billion constructing the Guangzhou airport, which can handle 25 million passengers (twice what Mumbai does) each year, and in the second phase the airport plans to be able to handle 80 million passengers a year. While many view Guangzhou as a costly gamble, given that China now has five international airports within 120 km of one another, it's worth keeping in mind that China has seven airports in the world's top 150 while India has just two-as a result, China attracts 35 million international tourists each year as compared to India's 3 million. Airports mean tourist earnings as well as earnings from duty-free shops, hotels, and shopping malls -in 2002-03, the world's top 50 airport groups had an average operating profit of over 19 per cent. The sooner the government realises airports are good business in more ways than one, the better.
[Goanet]GOVT TO CHANGE ITS SLOGAN FOR TOURISM!
The Goa government has decided in all its wisdom that Goa will be free of natural calamities in the future. Tsunami has killed more than a lakh. Over a million people are homeless. Property and infrastructure has been wiped out. The worst devastated states and countries are top tourism destinations. In this time of sorrow the Goa government is trying to disparage the beleaguered areas. It is trying to walk over the dead to further its image in tourism. Goa has been blessed. Mother earth has kept its fury away from the shores of this beautiful land. We need to be more considerate, passionate and supportive towards the besieged people. We need to be human. The decision of the government to have a new slogan 'Goa - 365 days of natural calamities-free tourism' is disgusting. Is the Goa government playing God? This is the worst form of chauvinism. PRIDE before the FALL? Avelino Bastora/Kuwait __ GOVT TO CHANGE ITS SLOGAN FOR TOURISM: The government will soon change its slogan for tourism promotion from 'Goa - 365 days of natural calamities-free tourism' for attracting visitors to the state. Addressing a function organized on January 2 to present the prestigious ISO 9001-2000 Certificate to the Goa Tourism Development Corporation Ltd, the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, said that Goa had always been a safe tourist destination and would have no competition from other tourist centres in Asia, at least for the next four to five years. (NT)
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Jan 4, 2005!
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[Goanet]Closing discussions
Hi Cornel, Thanks for your question. You are indeed very kind in giving us TWO MONTHS TO MAKE SENSE about the Goa Catholic Church issue as raised by George. The time-line for that thread was two days. In my opinion, even that was too much. :=)) There were no facts, only philosophy, conjectures and opinions. I was disappointed I did not hear from you on the issue of 'Identity Crises' among some members of the Goan Diaspora in the UK. I do not know about you and others. To me Goanet dialogue is NOT TO CONVERT any one. It is to share considered views and in the process ADVANCE ONE'S OWN understanding. So really the dialogue should be self-instructive RATHER THAN a self-endurance exercise. There is no place to continue to dialogue by arguing a non-issue OR fixing a view on the other just to respond to it (frequently used trick on Goanet). In such cases, one can argue with oneself without dragging others into a futile debate. This is not bad as a balanced perspective. I have not been closely following the dialogue on Iraq, Saddam Hussein or Bush's election. Then those posts appeared under a strange heading like 'Amchem Goem'. And then individuals started complaining about each other under different threads. Those posts I found even more amusing. I hope in those exchanges the authors of those posts knew what the issues were, beyond of course who could insult the other (at least those were the grievances as I perceived them). The best way to end a dialogue, which I am sure you know, is the age-old English man's approach - the silent treatment. Then being Goan we need to PRAY AND HOPE 'the thread will die under its own weight'. Some don't dignify a comment / post with a response. That is the approach the Goa church gave George's inquiries and I applauded the Church for it. I hope this answers your questions about closure of a Goanet discussion. Frankly I do not know what's the issue? Is it closure of discussions OR Goanet should expand the range of topics it encourages? Perhaps we are arguing an issue which we do not disagree.:=)) Whatever your choice is: Make a motion followed by a second. Then open it for discussion / debate and then a vote. Or would you and others like to see the changes brought-in through the back door with 'the squeakiest wheel getting the most grease'? :=) I have no strong feelings, but like you, I'd like consistency. :=)) Regards Cornel: Gilbert Lawrence, I note your obvious delight re the closure of a recent Goanet discussion. May I now ask how long, time-wise, would seem reasonable to you for the debate between you, George Pinto and others before an imposed closure of discussion regarding specific Church/priestly affairs? Would about two months be excessive as in the instance of the closed case? and should the Ribander case which has been going on endlessly for several months, and bored some people to death, be closed forthwith? I only ask because I am sure you have a concern for consistency. Also, to allow one like me to try to avoid a 24 hour guillotine when one may be too busy on non Goanet issues to be able to respond substantially and immediately to the kind of Church issue you have raised with George and the caste issue as an example. Regards, Cornel
[Goanet] Indonesian Earthquake
Mario Goveia previously wrote: I had chided Tim of making a facetious comment while operating on feni fumes, which Santosh pounced upon as a gratuitious personal insult. I would be rich, not insulted, if I was paid a $1 everytime someone accused me of drinking our special nationsl adult beverage. Mervyn replied: Can you send me your address so that I can send you my contribution of $100? Mario responds: Mervyn, I asked for $1 and you have offered $100, so you are indeed a true philanthropist. However, instead of sending the money to me, please donate $50 in my name and $50 in Tim de Mello's name directly to victims of the tsunami, which according to Tim was apparently caused by the failure of the US to sign the Kyoto Treaty, which presumes to modify the effects of nature while exempting India and China.
[Goanet]DAY One - Gomant Vishwa Sammelan
Days without water griping the Panjimites the sorrow fear of the Tsunami disaster the news of resignation of Minister for Town Country Planning Mr Antanasio (Babush ) Monseratte the MLA from Taleigao or his imminent expulsion from the Government an announcement expected at a Goa Cabinet meet this afternoon and his wife the Panch of Taleigao being inducted into the United Goans Democratic Party all reflected the tone and tenor of the extremely poor NRI NRG attendance when the 2nd Gomant Vishwa Sammelan got underway this morning at 1023 hrs IST at the renovated Kala Academy (now not in proper settings after the IFFI ) with the Governor Mr S C Jamir a tribal from Nagaland lighting the traditional lamp. A beautiful rendition of the Goan Konkno Cristao chemistry bonding Goans was the introductory song by a musical group. The inauguration of the third Newsletter of the NRI Goa Facilitation Centre at the hands of Speaker of Goas Legislative Assembly who incidentally heads the yougest and qualified legislators in the country was followed by the Governors address. The Governor read from a prepared speech initally stating that history of humanity was a saga of migration and after Independence what followed was the brain drain . The Governor indicated that despite this the Indian wherever worldwide never severed his links from the umbilical chord and this was the unique feature of Indians world over. As far as Goans were concerned the Governor stated that wherever they were spread they preserved their culture and visited shrines irrespective of religious affinity Later departing from his prepared speech in what could be seen as hint to the Governemt in power a la IFFI extravaganza the Governor that though Goa is known as a land of music dances and a land of dreams unique place in India was the urban dwellers philosophy the sons of the soil live in the villages. It should be ones endeavour he said to bridge the gap between the have and havenots. Those that live in the rural areas almost fifty percent of the population . The tribals he said referring to a brief presentation by the Gawda community at the entrance of the Kala Academy to welcome him speak from their heart they are frank and honest he himself being a tribal (a Christian as well) always spoke the truth He referred to the skylark which goes higher and higher yet its eyes are fixed to the nest, similarly the Goan wherever he/she is should come back to its root. The Chief Convenor Mr R (Dinar) Bhatkar (who infact is publicly believed to be the eyes and ears of the CM)indirectly attempted to refute the Governors allegation of the neglect of rural areas that what the Government in power believed is Goa should be better than the best and our quest is for quality not for quantity. There is a need for value addition and upgradation of standards. He said rural development made it near urban and cited the case how Palolem in Canacona was rated as one of the 10 best beaches in the world. Apparently he meant that the paramater for such recognition was on standards which meet the ambience and rural settings befitting of human development. Yet another instant was the case of a 10 year old Management school in Ribander which stood as one the best among the 15 best management institutes this was in the rural area. The setting up of the state of art BITS Pilani Goa unit at Sancoale where nearly 600 talented students are studying and several others vying to get in is yet another instance of rural development. This was followed by a session on Cultural History of Goa by Dr Nandakumar Kamat right from 11 AD from the Mauryan Kingdom until the emergence of the Portuguese rule in Goa -- the presentation by Power Point was a repeat of the earlier session they had some months ago at the Miramar Residency--- however the audience appreciated the historical ground reality of pre Portuguese history in this presentation. The seminar Emerging Identity of Goa by Dr Arminda Fernandes and Edgar Ribeiro Chief Town Planner New delhi was inspiring. Mr Rajdeep Sardessai of NDTV 24x7 convinced the audience with his curt remarks. He stated all over India the brand image of Goa was feni fun and fish and this was in the minds of youth when they come to Goa at the same time the poor image of Goans being associated with goondaism crime as depicted in films needs to be corrected. Therefore the real Goan is often not clearly understood at best Goans are in a flux as far as their cultural identity is concerned. Incidentally Mr Sardessai is a Goan and the son of emminent cricketer legend Mr Dilip Sardessai. The Tourism Minister's comments on the NRIs NRGs going abroad did not cut much ice with the NRIs NRGs he felt that their expectations were too high far beyond the ground reality The microphones played spoil sport a reflection of the general feeling that the accoustics in place would meet the unfortunate mishandling post IFFI seems to have come true. The lunch catered to for
[Goanet]What is happening to Goan youth?
Reproducing this article from goa-research-net. 000 What is happening to Goan youth? Nirmal Kulkarni Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:46:41 -0800 Searching for the wilds in our blood! Every time I hear a conversation about a wild place or habitat being destroyed and its issue being discussed over snacks at a coffee table with sympathies thrown at my land of Goa, my blood boils to a seemingly high Fahrenheit level and an urge to do something drastic envelops my otherwise quiet soul. We, Goans have a reverence for life and its forms. But in the recent years this relationship appears cracking. No longer is the Tulsi vrundavan outside every Hindu home venerated as before every morning and the Sangod or Harvest festivals are also losing their true charm and meaning thanks to the sponsored themes and advertisement of brands that speak of everything that is not Goan. I am not an activist, nor do I want to sound like one. But the happenings in my State are not being documented or studied and the very foundations of my land that dwell on the aspects of harmony and compassion for all living beings, the attitude that respects every Tree and mound and the flowing river, all are being compromised in the name of development and infrastructure. For a state that is slowly losing its charm and beauty, where peace and tranquility are being auctioned off in the name of nightlife and vast stretches of sand dunes and forests are being raped under the garb of providing employment and revenue to my land, I sometimes wonder where my Goa is heading to ? Belonging to the new generation of youth that have been taught to fight for our identity, I sometimes shudder with fright at the glimpses that pass by whilst on a journey in my land of Parshuram. Does seeking an identity mean surrendering to possibilities of any kind? There is a dramatic change in lifestyles and accents to say the least and the less spoken of other aspects the better it is. It might sound vague, childish and even insulting. But it is true. The average Goan youth is pathetically unconcerned about his neighborhood, leave alone his State or country. Environment related issues are for those who want to either while away time or participate in gossip. Suspicion is paramount and every researcher ,activist, environmentalist or otherwise is thought to be one who squabbles the public's money to fill his or her coffers! Are all Goan wildlife workers like that? And if such is the case, is there no youngster today who can take over and work for a young Goa? Whilst keeping this rather controversial topic aside, I would like to delve into the basic aspects of us Goan youth being led away from our roots? Why is there no belonging been seen with regards to our land and its landscapes, its countryside and their denizens? The very circle of life of most Goan youth today revolves around their cell phones, their parties and of course their so called socializing and what nots. The youth movement with regards to issues on wildlife, environment and education has died down ages ago and is seeking a new leadership for guidance? We need to find that leadership amongst us. Or rather strive to be that leader. The need of the hour is to conserve the remains of our wild lands and protect these for posterity. Let your blood boil, for our land. Speak up and stand up. Talk , discuss and demand an explanation to every change that threatens to irreversibly damage our ecosystem and its components. Support individuals and institutions who want to work and shelve all controversies by way of dialogue and consensus. We can achieve a lot...but a lot depends on how we achieve and what our achievement does for our land of Goa. There is an urgent need to rise, fellow youth, for retaining our lands scenic charm and its identity as a land of greens and wilds, a land whose people have always regarded with pride and honor. It is up to us in 2005 to protect and conserve our coasts and forests, plateaus and farmlands, to raise consciousness about our culture and its teachings. With education and awareness would come action and with action would come a Goa that we would cherish in every sense of the word. Having raved and ranted my thoughts about what I feel, it is of paramount importance that these thoughts are echoed back to me not only through your emails but through your actions and their consequences in my land of Goa. By: Nirmal Kulkarni http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503/capa_cs.pdf --- To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from Goa-Research-Net --- posted by rene barreto www.goaday.com http://community.webshots.com/user/goanint =
[Goanet]Re:the issue of the Ribandar priest
Dr. Jose Colaco wrote Having read the repeated posts from Aires Rodrigues on the issue of the Priest from Ribandar Goa who is accused of having molested a Young girl during what was supposed to be a Confession, I'd say the following: 1. Aires (a lawyer) has already Tried and Crucified this priest in the court of Internet. Does the principle of Innocent unless proven guilty apply in India? 2. The Goa Church has kept awfully quiet in this matter. When will it speak up, and protect this priest from the Aires attacks, or hold an investigation and do the needful. Dear Dr. Colaco, I have neither tried or crucified the priest. I have merely religiously updated fellow netters of the progress and developments of the Ribandar Church molestation case as it has progressed and at times regressed. Ribandar Parish Priest Fr. Newton Rodrigues against whom the Goa Police have registered an F.I.R for the offence of molestation continues to be just an accused and will remain so until if and when his trial commences. With the victim and the mother now after three months of the complaint having tried to make a volte- face and withdraw their complaint against the Priest, the turf seems all the more murkier. A replay of the Best Bakery trial and Zaheera may be on the cards. Under all Indian laws the prosecution has to prove that the accused is guilty but in the Goa Children's Act under which this case comes as the victim is a minor girl, it is for the accused to prove that he has not committed the alleged crime. Yes the Church has kept awfully quiet on this issue. Perhaps they are staunch believers of the saying silence is golden. I personally met the the Archibishop Rev. Felipe Neri Ferrao on August 12th last year and at his request gave him a written complaint about the affairs at the Ribandar Church. Not a word in reply. That's my only consolation that there may be substance in the complaint. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar
[Goanet]Re: [Goanet-news]01 JAN 2005: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
CM'S PLEA: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has made a fervent plea to the people in the State to extend a helping hand to the victims of Tsunami-hit areas and contribute generously to the Chief Minister's Relief Fund. The Youth Hostel, Miramar Panaji, keeping up with the tradition of commitment to society, has contributed Rs.25,000 towards the noble cause. (GT) *HOW MUCH WILL GO TO MR PARRIKAR'S RELIEF**WELL AT LEAST HE KNOWS SOME NEWS THAT HAPPENED OUTSIDE GOA * ISSUE OF RAVE PARTIES: Reacting strongly to the exposure of rave parties in Goa flouting all the laws of the land and using of drugs openly for the party, that too under the protection of police, the Goa Pradesh Youth Congress has said the chief minister Manohar Parrikar who had dared to show the proof/evidence of rave parties and had denied that the rave parties are taking place in Goa, should tender his resignation as chief minister of Goa. (GT) AMEN*** THE CHIEF MINISTER IS ASLEEP, DOES HE GET IT FROM THE WORD SUSEGAD
RE: [Goanet]Betting odds?
Dear Tim, Ron and Mario, Point taken. A few responses preceded by ***. Quoting Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (Copying this to Herman Fred as some of my posting to Goa-Net mysteriously disappear.) *** It's not fair to say that your posts mysteriously disappear as if we discard them underhandedly. We have nothing to gain by doing that. If an email is rejected from the forum an email automatically sent to you automatically by the mailing list program. We add comments informing you why it was rejected. If this is indeed happening, please send us an email and we'll look into it. Quoting Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Most of the exchange of e-mails on the political stance of the US in Iraq, etc has been put forth by by some right wing leaning members. The have been well ariticulated and for the most part these discussions have been carried out in a civilized manner. The counter arguments have been put forward by many of our members who are very well regarded by the general membership. They have articulated and presented well balanced counter arguments. This debate, as far as content goes, IMHO, surpasses many other discussions that have taken place on this forum. These discussions have taken place between Goans who consider these arguments important. To take such arguments offline, as some of them did, deprives others of the discussion taking place. *** We, too, thought that the debate was being carried out in a civilized manner, which is why we let it go on as long as it did. However, we demand a certain etiquette in participating in debates because we need to be considerate to all our members. Sending 10 posts in an hour arguing every minute point is unacceptable. You and I might find the email load acceptable, but many of our members who do not have good internet connections do not. They simply unsubscribe depriving themselves of this and other discussions. I don't think that is fair. We repeatedly asked the participant involved to argue in a more concise manner, which he did not do. Furthermore, not all the members on the list were welcomed the debate. One well-regarded member asked Is this Goanet or Iraq-Net? We, therefore, decided to put and end to the debate. Quoting Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are many posts that keep popping up with fair regularity that I consider annoying and of little merit either to Goa or to the general membership. Consider, for example, the self promoting posts of Rene regarding Goa Day. Is it the opinion of the GoaNet Admin team that as long as the post contains the word Goa in it, any such drivel is acceptable? The decision to stop the debate is nothing more than small minded thinking by the Admin Team. And ridiculous! *** We have a difficult task of moderating posts. The decisions we make will never please everyone. But, all of you know full well that we do have debates that are of general interest but not related to Goa. One has only to browse the archives to be convinced. I think it's important for members to send us some feedback so that we can accommodate suggestions to improve the forum. Perhaps it's better to send us a discrete email rather than to single out people publicly. -- Herman Carneiro Goanet Admin
Re: [Goanet]Can Goan Catholics end polarization?
--- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you expect those like the president of Chimbel living in palaces to help his brethern or is it too much on their plates. The latest from Pernem is that Goan Patriot based in the US, Eng. Agnelo Gomes has donated loads to a school whose students are mainly hindus. The President of Chimbel is a poor man who lives in the Dhovi Khopti, not a palace. Even so, he gives some of whatever little money he gets for eating purposes according to the IRC constitution. Eating upto 10% money is legal under the constitution. Agnelo Gomes is the only genuine Goan millionaire in America. He lives in a palace. To his great credit he has given a lot of money for the independence of Goa. He is also a gracious host and an all round good-hearted man. President Pandurang Fernandes will award him IRC's highest civilian medal one of these days. He will send a special invitation to Xacuti Colaco to sit in the front row for that award ceremony in the Morombimcho Maatov. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]NEWS: World Convention of Canara Konkani Catholics Concludes In Karnataka (SAR)
World Convention of Canara Konkani Catholics Concludes In Karnataka By SAR NEWS MANGALORE, Karnataka (SAR NEWS) -- The first ever four-day World Convention of Canara Konkani Catholics concluded December 29 in Mangalore with the announcemeent of a Fudaar Prathishtaan (Future Foundation), which will work for the betterment of the Mangalorean Catholic community. The convention also passed a resolution stressing the need to promote and preserve Konkani as the language of the Canara Konkani Catholics and to use it in the religious services, instruction and social programmes. The world meet held at the Bishop Basil DSouza Nagar had delegates from the Canara Konkani Catholic community working and living all over the world. Canara comprised the area from Karwar in the north to Kasargod in the south on the west coast of India. Canara Konkani Catholics are the descendants of Catholics who had been taken captive to Srirangapatnam, Mysore, in 1984 by Tippu Sultan who suspected that the Catholics were supporting the British. The Muslim ruler held them in captivity for 15 years. They were freed when Tippu died in 1799. When the Catholics returned to their native places, they found their properties and churches looted and destroyed and had to start their life from the scratch. Recalling the hardships faced by the captive Catholics, the convention discussed elaborately on the theme To strengthen the unity, to celebrate the identity and to plan for a secure future. A procession that preceded the inauguration of the convention, December 26, highlighted the folk arts, culture, lifestyle, and religion and social service rendered by the Catholics in Mangalore district. An exhibition put up on the occasion gave a glimpse of the religious congregations working in Mangalore, the services they render to the country, and other aspects of Catholic life in Mangalore Diocese. The mega event was organised by the Catholic Sabha, a lay organisation of the diocese, with the support of the Catholic associations and religious leaders. The chief convenor was Maritto Sequeira, his assistant Eric Ozario, and general secretary Godwin Pinto. Bishop Aloysius DSouza of Mangalore was the chief patron of the convention, which was inaugurated by former Chief Minister of Karnataka, Veerappa Moily. In his address to the gathering, the former minister praised the service rendered by the Mangalorean Catholics to the nation in various fields. There were talks and symposia on the history of Canara Konkani Catholics, the contribution of the community to the progress of the country and the world, the challenges ahead, spiritual and family life, Konkani language, literature and culture, among others. Eminent resource persons who included historian Pius Fidelis Pinto, vice-principal of the famous Saint Aloysius College, Mangalore, Pro Eric Patrao, director of Father Stevens Konkani Institute, Goa, Jesuit Father Pratap Naik, social worker Leena Fernandes, Dr. Valerian Rodrigues of Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi and economist Dr. Thomas Quadras. Prominent personalities of the Mangalore Catholic Konkani community Monsignor S.F. Menezes and G.M.B. Rodrigues were honoured on the occasion by naming the seminar halls after them. The convention also passed another resolution to take immediate steps to make Konkani language a subject of study in schools in Karnataka, and staring a museum to preserve the artefacts associated with the history of the community. The concluding function was historic with 12 of the 27 reigning Mangalorean bishops of India concelebrating the thanksgiving Mass. Archbishop Bernard Moras was the main celebrant, with Archbishop Vincent Concessao of Delhi, Archbishop Emeritus Ignatius Pinto of Bangalore, Bishop Aloysius Paul DSouza of Mangalore, Bishop Isidore Fernandes of Allahabad, Bishop Frederick DSouza of Jhansi, Bishop Leo Cornelio of Khandwa, Bishop Thomas DSouza of Bagdogra, Bishop Antony Fernandes of Bareili, Bishop Gerald Lobo of Shimoga, Bishop Patrick DSouza of Varanasi and Bishop Cyprian Monis of Asansol as co-celebrants. Archbishop Bernard Moras of Bangalore, who spoke at the concluding function, called on the Catholic educational institutions and the associations not to deny admission to any Catholic student, or prevent a child from getting education. Bishop Aloysius DSouza exhorted the Canara Catholics to be a witness to Christ through their life examples in spite of problems and difficulties and by following in the footsteps of our ancestors. The vast assembly of Canara Catholics took an oath to preserve the unity, the identity of the community and work for its betterment while striving for a strong united nation through love, sacrifice and service. Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490
FW: [Goanet]RIBANDAR NEW YEAR'S DAY SERENADE
Is this NOT the same former Prime Minister of India P V Narashima Rao who looted the Government of India and therefore jailed later? the death of former primer minister P V Narashima Rao Just curious Cip Fernandes UK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ivar Fjeld Sent: 03 January 2005 08:16 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]RIBANDAR NEW YEAR'S DAY SERENADE Dear Goanetters. This is a copy of the editorial in Goa Herald on 3rd of January. Have a God blessed new Year. Ivar Fjeld Ribandar. Shame Goa, shame. Shame Goa, shame Shame on you Goa! Shame on all the people who came to Goa to enjoy themselves and shame on all the people, who made pious sounding statements and then danced the night away on December 31. In case many of youll had forgotten India was struck by a double tragedy the death of former primer minister P V Narashima Rao and a tragedy that cannot be erased from the memory of Indian history. The deaths resulting from the tsunami tragedy in the eastern coastal belt of India and the rest of India. And while the world grieved from New York to Japan Goa was one big party. There was rejoicing everywhere, parties galore, bright lights all over the place and yes even the good old Governor decided to shake a leg at the longest dance party and drink a cup of cheer at a private party. Congratulations, yes congratulations and Happy New Year, because while President A PJ Kalam and all other dignitaries shared their sorrow by not celebrating the New Year, people in Goa decided to welcome 2005 with fireworks, lights and lots of noise. Was it a blaze of glory or a blaze of shame? What happened to all those pious statements of condolence and sympathy? What was the use of having special collections and funds when we, Goans, could not respect the tragedy that hit India? What happened to all the famous celebrities who raise objection over certain events, where are they now and how come no concert, no special event is being held to raise funds for the tsunami victims? What happened to all the high flying people who come to use Goa as a base to party and just party could there not be one day of non- partying as a mark of respect? And what about us Goans, where was that sense of compassion? Was it sufficient in just giving a few hundred rupees to a charity and saying, poixe dilear sogle bore, so it is not surprising that people label this State as free and easy and that anything goes in Goa. Only if there was some restraint, some care shown like some restaurants in Calangute who refused to party as a mark of respect. Just donating one days salary and making a big show was not sufficient, because by throwing all the parties, dancing the night away and allowing lights to burn throughout the night showed our disrespect and lack of compassion. And this includes all the big wigs practice what you preach and do not be a hypocrite by saying something and doing something else. Yes, shame on you Goa, shame on all people who partied on December 31 and shame on all the celebrities with their double speak. Because all the lights you burnt on December 31 to welcome the New Year were not celebrations but lights of shame. Shame. (end)
[Goanet]Re: Betting Odds?
Tim, I applaud this mail! As you know, Mario and I have disagreed vociferously too - but I completely agree with him (and you) on this one. You have hit the nail on the head: the definition of what is annoying depends on who is annoyed. Maybe if the title is renamed to : Goa Chickens coming home to roost! then it will be deemed acceptable :-) :-) From: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: RE: [Goanet]Betting odds? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:35:18 -0500 Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred, We may just have to agree to disagree. However, your specific comments cry out for some rebuttals: Far be it for me to defend Mario on his political views but on this e-mail I have to agree with him. Most of the exchange of e-mails on the political stance of the US in Iraq, etc has been put forth by by some right wing leaning members. The have been well ariticulated and for the most part these discussions have been carried out in a civilized manner. The counter arguments have been put forward by many of our members who are very well regarded by the general membership. They have articulated and presented well balanced counter arguments. This debate, as far as content goes, IMHO, surpasses many other discussions that have taken place on this forum. These discussions have taken place between Goans who consider these arguments important. To take such arguments offline, as some of them did, deprives others of the discussion taking place. I would also remind Fred that on Aug 11 2004 he said: (ii) That discourse is idle. IMHO, sharing of information has a critical role to play in the life of any society. Our goals, our action, our plans, our future... all depends on our ideas and what we know. Hence, while some people get impatient with discourse (and what is dismissed as mere talk), this too has an important role to play. === There are many posts that keep popping up with fair regularity that I consider annoying and of little merit either to Goa or to the general membership. Consider, for example, the self promoting posts of Rene regarding Goa Day. Is it the opinion of the GoaNet Admin team that as long as the post contains the word Goa in it, any such drivel is acceptable? The decision to stop the debate is nothing more than small minded thinking by the Admin Team. And ridiculous! Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA
[Goanet]About the recent Tsunami
Good reference piece, click on the link below. http://www.drgeorgepc.com/Tsunami2004Indonesia.html cheers, Gabe.
[Goanet]The benefits of the education dept CD for children!
With reference to the enclosed message from Anthony Barretto (or is it Anthony MARTIN?) There is a certain amount of arrogance and patronising that is somewhat irritating. I did say that the CD was shown in India and also in the USA. So, I am actually following what Tony is asking me to do - that is first go to India and then the USA. Obviously he has not read my message properly. Where was it shown in India? That I do not know. Tony wants me to stick to the point. The diversion was actually made by him, and this is also obvious given that he changed the subject line from the one used by me in my message. Sachin Phadte From: Anthony Barretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@goanet.org Subject: The benefits of the education dept CD for children! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:53:05 -0800 (PST) Hey Sachin this is what I wrote. Answer that and then go to America. If a CD on the Gujarat atrocities is shown in graphic detail to young children all over India it will only further antagonise the muslims against the Hindus. Let the informed inform me how that exercise will benefit anybody positively. This is what you have written: A CD on the riots in Gujarat has been shown not only in India, but also all over the world. I understand that some of the showing were in the universities in the USA, with the approval of the universities. For the Americans 'Gujarat' is just another event in world history. Where was it shown in India? Why? and How did it serve its purpose. Answer that and please try to stick to the point. If that is impossible with you pl feel free to ignore this mail. Tony Martin _ Citibank Suvidha account at No Minimum Balance! http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/suvidha/suvidha_hmtagoffline_dec04.htm Apply get FREE watch!
[Goanet]Tsunamis - Krakatoa East of Java.
I had seen the movie Krakatoa East of Java many years ago. It is now on DVD priced at $179 - a bit rich, for most. The waves depicted in the movie were simply super huge. Apparently the disaster was such that had it occurred in recent times the devastation would have been ten times, what took place in the recent Tsunami. Readers interested in the is phenomenon may click on the link below. I wonder if there could be any records of this occurrence in the records stored in Goa? http://www.drgeorgepc.com/Vocano1883Krakatoa.html Cheers, Gabe.
Re: [Goanet]G.O.A. / G.C.O. Toronto - Tsunami effort
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the face of it this seems a very laudable effort. But let us stop and think for a minute. -snip- Similarly, the G.O.A. told us that they are a social organization and they considered the problem in Goa political and such the cause was outside their mandate too. Now, it appears that their mandate has changed . . . or maybe just an opportunity to gain some publicity in the local media? I wish the G.O.A. / G.C.O. all the luck in their campaign. The tsunami victims need help. Tim, I believe both the G.O.A. and G.C.O. have different trustees today. I do know that the G.O.A. Chairman is open to new suggestions and I would not be surprised if the current G.C.O. administrators have different views today. Mervyn2.0 Ps. They announced at the G.O.A. 31st dance that they had collected $6,000 for the tsunami relief. Not a bad sum especially considering the fact that the Canadian govt is matching dollar for dollar. Mervyn , Thanks for keeping us informed of the generosity of Goans of Toronto , I am glad to note that G.O.A Toronto has collected $6,000.00 , they have led by example , I hope other Goan organistions world wide will follow them. Oscar Furtado , the President of G.O.A Toronto has been a great supporter for WORLD GOAN Organisations TOGETHERNESS. Lets support Oscar and his committee's efforts , The tsunami victims need our help . Lets Focus on the problems that have befallen on the people of the South East , not Focus on OUR problems. I do hope we will be kept informed on how other Goan Organisations - all over the world are helping the tsunami victims. rene barreto www.goaday.com 00 00 __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re:the issue of the Ribandar priest
This post has been copied cc: to (among others) His Eminence Cardinal Jose Policarpo of Lisbon His Grace Archbishop Filipe Neri FERRAO of Goa and bcc: to my very good friend His Grace Archbishop Patrick Pinder of The Bahamas re: the Issue of the Priest in Ribandar Goa accused of molesting a young girl during confession. Professor George Pinto (California) wrote: d: I believe Aires (Rodrigues) wrote at least once there are other cases of sexual abuse by the clergy in Goa. I had written to the Archdiocese twice and did not get a response. Is there a formal study done in Goa regarding this issue? e: When the Church sex abuse scandal first broke in the USA, innocent priests were walking around convicted by association simply by being a priest. f: It is not fair to the priests or the victims. I am hoping there is formal investigation and study in Goa and the findings made public. The laity have a right to know if the problem is pervasive or isolated or non-existent. Dr. Gilbert Lawrence (New York) wrote: a: I am analyzing your posts on its merits. Both your posts on this thread and others on Goa's Catholic Church have very little factual information. There's another guy across the Atlantic who does the same. b: While you are quoting the case in California, I can forward you the story in our newspaper, where the priest was vindicated. Now where does he go to recoup his honor? c: I would suggest (and hope you'd agree) that the Goa church should embark on education courses for priests (and nuns too) on sexual harassment. This does not mean there is a problem. But it can prevent one. = jc response My dear Gilbert ani George, First of all good wishes to you ani all amche Goans for 2005. You both have made some very valid points. Please alow me to make the following observations:- 1. Just because there is no (available) factual information of ABUSE, does not mean that there isn't any abuse. 2. Just because the Archdiocese has not replied to George's letter does not mean that the Archdiocese is hiding something. For all we know, the mail may not have been seen by the relevant folks. If the message is important, George may wish to send it again - and copy it to ALL the Goa related e-lists. 3. Just because the US-abuse story got prominence in the media, does not mean that Only the Catholic Church has abuse going within its organization. Let us firmly disabuse ourselves of this idea, if we are in possession of it. However, the Catholic Church in Goa cannot play OSTRICH (like the Goan Catholic Network and other Rt. Wing Catholic groups) and just believe that these accusations will go away. The Catholic Church MUST hold a preventive investigation (as George rightly advises) and hold on going training sessions (as Gilbert advises) not only for the clergy, but also for the faithful. Far too often, Catholic priests have been targeted. The Catholic Church will strongly benefit from using the lead of the Medical community - which strongly recommends that NO patient be examined or even counselled without the presence of a witness. Even Law Enforcement authorities are now being required to video-tape such sessions. The Church does not have to go that far - The presence of a witness is good enough. To protect the confidentiality of the discussion (or the confession), a safe distance or a sound proof glass partition will be adequate. You may wish to know that in my practice, I refuse to see female clients alone - whatever the circumstance. The time has come for us to ensure that we see ALL patients in the presence of a witness - taking the obvious care to maintain client privacy. I agree with George that the laity have a right to know. I hope this LAITY also knows its responsibilities. The priests are not slaves to be used and abused by the laity. The laity have responsibilities too. I sincerely hope that they do their part. And that part is not complete by merely attending Mass on Sundays or perhaps at the Hatch, Match and Dispatch (Baptism, Wedding and Funeral) services. We should also disabuse ourselves of this notion (as articulated recently) that the laity PAYS the priests for Masses. By the way, It's really time for the Laity which has Rights, to know its Obligations to contribute TOTALLY towards the costs of running the Church. Having read the repeated posts from Aires Rodrigues on the issue of the Priest from Ribandar Goa who is accused of having molested a Young girl during what was supposed to be a Confession, I'd say the following: 1. Aires (a lawyer) has already Tried and Crucified this priest in the court of Internet. Does the principle of Innocent unless proven guilty apply in India? 2. The Goa Church has kept awfully quiet in this matter. When will it speak up, and protect this priest from the Aires attacks, or hold an investigation and do the needful. 3. May I suggest that THIS is NOT the type of case which has caused problems in the US. This (if it actually
[Goanet]RIBANDAR NEW YEAR'S DAY SERENADE
Dear Goanetters. This is a copy of the editorial in Goa Herald on 3rd of January. Have a God blessed new Year. Ivar Fjeld Ribandar. Shame Goa, shame. Shame Goa, shame Shame on you Goa! Shame on all the people who came to Goa to enjoy themselves and shame on all the people, who made pious sounding statements and then danced the night away on December 31. In case many of youll had forgotten India was struck by a double tragedy the death of former primer minister P V Narashima Rao and a tragedy that cannot be erased from the memory of Indian history. The deaths resulting from the tsunami tragedy in the eastern coastal belt of India and the rest of India. And while the world grieved from New York to Japan Goa was one big party. There was rejoicing everywhere, parties galore, bright lights all over the place and yes even the good old Governor decided to shake a leg at the longest dance party and drink a cup of cheer at a private party. Congratulations, yes congratulations and Happy New Year, because while President A PJ Kalam and all other dignitaries shared their sorrow by not celebrating the New Year, people in Goa decided to welcome 2005 with fireworks, lights and lots of noise. Was it a blaze of glory or a blaze of shame? What happened to all those pious statements of condolence and sympathy? What was the use of having special collections and funds when we, Goans, could not respect the tragedy that hit India? What happened to all the famous celebrities who raise objection over certain events, where are they now and how come no concert, no special event is being held to raise funds for the tsunami victims? What happened to all the high flying people who come to use Goa as a base to party and just party could there not be one day of non- partying as a mark of respect? And what about us Goans, where was that sense of compassion? Was it sufficient in just giving a few hundred rupees to a charity and saying, poixe dilear sogle bore, so it is not surprising that people label this State as free and easy and that anything goes in Goa. Only if there was some restraint, some care shown like some restaurants in Calangute who refused to party as a mark of respect. Just donating one days salary and making a big show was not sufficient, because by throwing all the parties, dancing the night away and allowing lights to burn throughout the night showed our disrespect and lack of compassion. And this includes all the big wigs practice what you preach and do not be a hypocrite by saying something and doing something else. Yes, shame on you Goa, shame on all people who partied on December 31 and shame on all the celebrities with their double speak. Because all the lights you burnt on December 31 to welcome the New Year were not celebrations but lights of shame. Shame. (end) __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet] Today's superstition... tomorrow's science?
--- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a query to Dr Santosh, how would you view this? Is it possible that some of today's superstition might grown more scientific over time? Yes. It is possible. But in practice this would happen on extremely rare occasions. It would be hard to predict before hand which superstition would achieve this distinction. Most would die a natural death. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Jan 3, 2005!
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[Goanet]03 JAN 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 03 January, 2005 EXPOSITION CONCLUDES: Thousands of devotees tried to catch a last glimpse of St Francis Xavier as his sacred relics were carried in a ceremonial procession from the Se Cathedral to their resting place in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. As they flanked the passage of the procession at Old Goa on Sunday (January 2), the devotees stood rapt in prayerful attention, a few had tears in their eyes while others bowed in reverence as the representatives of the deaneries carried the relics in turn. After an eventful 43-day period, in which over 22 lakh of pilgrims of different faiths from all over the world venerated the relics, the 16th Exposition came to an end after the simple but touching ceremony, which lasted nearly four hours. (GT) THERE WAS MAGIC IN THE AIR: Twenty-two lakh pilgrims, forty-three days of worship, devotees from all over the globe and a devotion that spanned all faiths. That in short summarized the 16th Exposition.For the organizers and volunteers, what seemed like an insurmountable task three months ago, went of peacefully. And for all the pilgrims and devotees the magic of seeing Goencho Saib wiped out all the hardships of standing in the sun and in long queues. (H) A TOTAL SUCCESS: The Exposition was a total success as it was geared to deepen the faith of our people. The response was manifested in the large attendance during the masses and the veneration. Large number of pilgrims from different faiths that came during the concluding days is also a testimony to this. It was also a beautiful experience wherein the State and the Church came together to work for a cause. At least 1,000 priests attended and celebrated masses in different languages during the 43-day event. People stood up in queues for three to four hours to go for the veneration. (Fr Savio Barreto, Rector of Bom Jesus Basilica, in Herald) RUMOURS SAY MONSERRATE HAS QUIT; NO, SAYS MINISTER: Speculation about a political upheaval was strong on Sunday (Jan 2) as the rumour mill had it that Town and Country Planning Minister Atanasio Monserrate had quit the Parrikar-led government with another BJP MLA. However, Monserrate when contacted late in the evening dismissed the reports as baseless but declined to comment further. (GT) PONDA ABUZZ OVER PETRO FLOW: In a strange occurrence at Ponda on Sunday (Jan 2) evening, the locals of Nageshim claim to have found a petrol-like liquid flowing through a part of their village, in a pond at Vaghtale-Nageshim. The incident came to light after a cowherd discovered the liquid when he visited the site after it was found that a petrol-like smell was emanating in the area. (H) GOVT TO CHANGE ITS SLOGAN FOR TOURISM: The government will soon change its slogan for tourism promotion from 'Goa - 365 days of natural calamities-free tourism' for attracting visitors to the state. Addressing a function organized on January 2 to present the prestigious ISO 9001-2000 Certificate to the Goa Tourism Development Corporation Ltd, the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, said that Goa had always been a safe tourist destination and would have no competition from other tourist centres in Asia, at least for the next four to five years. (NT) FR PEREIRA IS NEW SECY OF DIOCESAN CENTRE FOR MEDIA: Fr J Loyola Pereira has been appointed the Secretary of the Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media. While his appoint is up to May 2005, his predecessor, Fr Olavo Velho Pereira, died of cancer recently. (GT) GOMANT VISHA SAMMELAN (NRI MEET): The second Gomant Vishwa Sammelan will be inaugurated by Goa Governor SC Jamir at 10 am today. The three-day event, being held at the Kala Academy complex, will feature speakers such as architect Edgar Rebeiro, journalist Rajdeep Sardessai, hotelier Victor Albuquerque. (GT) ASSAULTED AT ANJUNA: 19-year-old Yeshwant Nagvekar was assaulted with a baseball bat early on New Year's Day by a group of three unidentified persons at 4.30 am outside Hotel sea Rock in Anjuna. (GT) KEY OPINION POLL ACTIVIST SHABU DEAD: Veteran freedom fighter, Shabu Babani Dessai, who was a key figure in the historic opinion poll movement, passed away at Cuncolim on January 2 evening after a long illness. He was 74 years old and is survived by his wife Vishranti, two sons and four daughters. (H) STATE CABINET MEETING: The state Cabinet will meet at the new Secretariat, Porvorim, at 3 pm today. The Cabinet is likely to take some important decisions in view of the ensuing Assembly session starting from 10 January. (GT) GOACAN TO OBSERVE ROAD SAFETY FORTNIGHT: The Goa Civic and Consumer Action network will observe a Road Safety Fortnight from January 3 to 17 to create awareness among the consumers on linkages of road safety issues and Consumer Protection Act. (H) HAM RADIO TO THE RESCUE: When the giant tidal waves broke all communication lines across the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, ham radio came to the rescue. Bharati Prasad, India's foremost amateur ham radio
[Goanet]Dismal Transportation Scenario
The holiday season has ended for me with the return of two family members to their duties elsewhere in the country. Here are a couple of nuggets about the Goa transportation scenario which thought I would like to share for what it is worth. 1. Yesterday I had to make two round trips from Ribandar to Margao railway station, once in the morning and once in the evening -- total travel of 160 kms. In the first case the ticket holder was booked to travel from Calicut to Ahmedabad boarding at Margao. In the second case, the ticket was from Udipi to Mumbai boarding at Margao. A co traveller on the second train was also booked from Udipi to Mumbai boarding a Margao. Is there some special quota for Goa travellers from Udipi station? When discussing the extra cost we concluded that it was about 70% for the Mumbai rail ticket!. As an aside we realised that it is probably a shorter distance from South Mumbai to the Mumbai airport than from Ribandar to Margao railway station. But like Mumbai, in Goa we have to contend with about four railway terminuses -- Karmali, Margao, Tivim and Vasco. 2. The cotraveller mentioned above complained that they were practically confined to their resort during their short holiday because of the perceived rapaciousness of local taxi drivers. One other friend also complained about this saying how difficult it was to divert their taxi a mere 10 km from their route to visit us. We ourselves, however, had a good experience this time with our neighbourhood taxi driver who showed up as requested and even waited for us for an hour till the night train left. Once before, however, we were badly let down by the Quarterdeck taxi service and we nearly missed our train at Karmali as we managed to scramble and make alternate arrangements just in time. 3. Again the co-traveller mentioned above said they would want to explore other places during their next holiday (having spent two in Goa so far). Seems Kerala was one such possibility. Anyone have any thoughts to share on this experience of the Goa travel scene (which is in addition to the problem of sharing sleeper berths in buses)? A very happy and prosperous New Year to all Goanetters!
[Goanet]RE: A CIVILIZED SOCIETY DOES NOT REOPEN WOUNDS - A GT REPORT COMMENTS
I really had said everything I wanted to say on the subject, including giving response to some comments which had no relevance to the subject. But I have been provokved by the comment of Mizeen Cavelossim - namely: Sachin please speak upHas the Goan Hitler fed you to speak for him his CD ? I do not have experience with being on other internet groups, but on Goanet I find that some who become defensive on an issue resort to all sorts of name calling. Mizeen's comment is as absurd as if someone were to accuse him of being 'fed' by the apologist for Portuguese rule to speak against the CD. Anyway, to come back to the thread, let me repost my comment which started this thread. QUOTE I would like to respectfully disagree with the tone of the editorial in Gomantak Times. History has to be narrated the way it is, and it should not be falsified because some group may find it uncomfortable. The atrocities committed by the Portuguese in Goa, and many other places in the world, did happen. Not talking about them in fact makes things worse as far as the memory of the sufferers is concerned. In the editorial, a question is posed as follows: Are scenes of Nazi brutality shown to young Jews? The answer is: No, it is shown not only to the young Jews, but also to all the people, Jews and non-Jews, old and young. And there is a huge holocaust museum where people can see the brutality. And the ones who are in the forefront of this effort of not forgetting are the descendants of the very people who indulged in the brutality - the Germans. And they do so because it is their way of showing that they distance away from the actions of their ancestors. Some time ago, a member on this list had posted that the BJP in Goa is asking for the return of the temple sites which were forcibly converted to churches. When I asked when this demand was made, the member did not respond - Fred, after some five days, said that perhaps it was a tounge-in-cheek statement. I found this strange. The discussion also involved in denial that temples were destroyed. To the credit of many Christians on this list, they provided the list of such destructions. Even then, those who were denying, did not accept the information provided as facts. The Pope has rightly apologised to the indigenous people in the Americas for the atrocities committed against them in the name of Christianity. The Pope has also rightly apologised to the non-Catholics for the atrocities committed against them in the name of the Roman Catholic Church. Such apologies can happen only when it is accepted that the events did happen. Many in Japan did not want to teach their children about the atrocities committed by their army during the Second World War. The Chinese and the Koreans are upset about this. And every time a Japanese leader visits China and Korea, he has to make a formal apology for the events. In fact, normal diplomatic relationship between China and Japan happened when Japan made a formal apology. If there was no attempt to denial in the beginning, I do not think that the Japanese leaders would have needed to make the apology time and time again. I know my Christian friends do not even mildly approve the atrocities. After all their ancestors suffered as much as my ancestors who did not convert. If there are facts in the video, it should be definitely deleted. I myself have not seen it. However, from the tone of the editorial, it would appear to me that the facts are correct. UNQUOTE If one were to accept the basic premise of the Gomantak Times editorial, then obviously the world is behaving in an uncivilised manner in asking the Germans to apologise, the indigenous people in the Americas are behaving in an uncivilised manner in asking the Pope to apologise, the Chinese and South Koreans are behaving in an uncivilised manner in asking the Japanese to apologise, etc. I think a civilised society does not distort the truth of its history because some group may get upset about it. If one were to look at the John Wayne movies of the 1950s, one would have got an impression that the indigenous Americans were a barbaric lot. However, today very few Americans would hold to this view, and efforts have been made to rectify the effort - even to the extent of the government apologising to the community. Similarly, the fact that the Australian government does not apologise to their indigenous people has upset many Australians. Some members on this list have posed a question as to whether the present day Christians are to be held responsible for the crimes of the Portuguese. This question is valid only if the Christians believe that they are the descendants of the Portuguese. I think the vast majority do not, and so there is no question of asking them to even consider an iota of responsibility. History is history. Forced conversions took place not only in India but all over the world. The
[Goanet]AN UPDATE ON THE RIBANDAR CASE
The Goa Children's Court headed by South Goa District Judge A.D.Salkar on 31st December directed the Public Prosecutor Mrs. Pratima Vernekar to file her say on the application filed by Mr. Anthony Frois uncle of the minor girl allegedly molested by Ribandar Parish priest Fr. Newton Rodrigues seeking steps to ensure that the accused priest does not leave Goa. The Court adjourned the matter to January 7th for orders on this application and the main criminal complaint filed by Mr. Frois against Fr. Newton Rodrigues. Arguing the matter on behalf of Mr. Frois it was submitted that the accused priest is likely to be moved out from Ribandar and being sent on a long-term assignment to a church in the United States of America. It was further argued that as the accused priest is likely to flee justice it was imperative that the Court exercises its powers to take cognizance of the offences committed and ensure the presence of the accused priest by restraining him from leaving Goa.
Re:[Goanet] Indonesian Earthquake
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had chided Tim of making a facetious comment while operating on feni fumes, which Santosh pounced upon as a gratuitious personal insult. I would be rich, not insulted, if I was paid a $1 everytime someone accused me of drinking our special nationsl adult beverage. Mario, Can you send me your address so that I can send you my contribution of $100? Mervyn __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Goa Gov. at dance competition
Goa Gov at dance competition - Angst or Hype? The presence of Goa's governor at the recent international dance competition held in Goa has been critiqued by some in Goa's press, cyberspace and the local BJP president. To those critiques, I would ask your opinion: If you were the organizer of the event (and had spent a few crore of rupees to host this international competition) OR the competitor who specially flew in after months of physical and mental preparation. Then the Governor promised to grace the international event which was choreographed for a possible live telecast or CD recording and the results are to be recorded in the Guinness book of record and every international dance magazine. What would you recommend the governor? The governor is paid to make tough decisions. As usual, every Pedro, Gabru, magir Kurmulo ani Budkulo criticize the governor.:=) Ami Goenkar mhunnon we can second-guesses every decision from our balcao sitting on our banchin.:=) Aka munta - 'Cheap-shots' or 'Pot-shots'. If going to the function was the governor's job / appointment, I think he should continue with his job / appointments. I can tell you, the German Oktober-fest in the city of Rochester, NY is a two-weekend event. In September 2001, in the middle of the week was the Twin-Tower disaster. The organizers of the Oktober-fest had a tough decision. When you spend beaucoup money on an affair, it's big business and not some 'Chalta Hai' function. They held the second weekend celebrations. And it was very well attended especially if you had bought your tickets. Is this criticism of the Goa governor an angst or hype? The retired Indian Prime Minister whose mourning period it was, died of old age rather than some sudden tragedy. Life has to go on, even with all the official formalities. I hence support the governor of Goa and his decision. But this opinion comes from someone who is socially called Dr. and Mrs. Twinkle Toes (obviously not by Goans). :=)) Regards
Re: [Goanet]G.O.A. / G.C.O. Toronto - Tsunami effort
Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the face of it this seems a very laudable effort. But let us stop and think for a minute. -snip- Similarly, the G.O.A. told us that they are a social organization and they considered the problem in Goa political and such the cause was outside their mandate too. Now, it appears that their mandate has changed . . . or maybe just an opportunity to gain some publicity in the local media? I wish the G.O.A. / G.C.O. all the luck in their campaign. The tsunami victims need help. Tim, I believe both the G.O.A. and G.C.O. have different trustees today. I do know that the G.O.A. Chairman is open to new suggestions and I would not be surprised if the current G.C.O. administrators have different views today. Mervyn2.0 Ps. They announced at the G.O.A. 31st dance that they had collected $6,000 for the tsunami relief. Not a bad sum especially considering the fact that the Canadian govt is matching dollar for dollar. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
