On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:33:57 -0700, J. Colaco jc wrote :
Just imagine IF a doctor removed a child's kidney or eyes without
appropriate informed consent from the child's parent.
COMMENT : Why Dr. Jose Colaco? A better example, a fact that has
occurred, shows what are legal implications of
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdinando at hotmail.com
RESPOSE : Could Sandeep please clarify
under which University/Educational Board/Institution does the syllabus mention
“Street Rallies” as
extra-curriculum? Anna Hazare University? Or is it Politician’s University?
{Extracurricular
J. Colaco jc colaco1 at gmail.com
[4] CONSENT: Like you, I have good reasons to believe that Heble and
Co did NOT obtain informed consent from the children.
It is possible that they were not aware and I can understand that.
All of us make errors.
Just imagine IF a doctor removed a child's
Anda Hazare seems to have conveniently forgotten Pehle durusti, baad chusti
(Correctness first,Speed later) the slogan that his Weapons Instructors would
have droned/drummed/drilled into his ears during his former training as a
Recruit with the Indian Army. How else did he not abide by it in
: Gerald Fernandes cdoger...@yahoo.co.in
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption-- Paintings by School Children
(Sandeep, J.C, Dr Falcao)
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Gerald Fernandes cdoger...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
Anda Hazare seems to have conveniently forgotten Pehle durusti, baad
chusti (Correctness first,Speed later) the slogan that his Weapons
Instructors would have droned/drummed/drilled into his ears during his
former training as a Recruit with the
re: this from me: Personally speaking, I have very good (researched)
reason to believe that Sandeep and Co did NOT seek informed consent
FROM the parents of these minor children.
Sandeep Heble responded in tur Atya-Patya fashion: The above is
false as I have repeatedly stated. School managements
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:52:36 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote:
Do
not try to wrongly contextualize my statement. It was Dr Falcao who argued that
students must be confined only to classrooms and must not participate in
Rallies. I disagreed while pointing out that they have always participated in
Using CORRUPT means to show solidarity against corruption.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/students-picked-up-from-school-gates-for-political-rally/843834/
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
After playing 'Atya Patya' with statements like (and I paraphrase)
Children have been participating for many years in rallies Education
is more than just school etc,
Do not try to wrongly contextualize my statement. It was Dr Falcao who
argued that
Sandeep Heble was asked simple questions: Did you (guys) obtain
informed consent from the parents of the children - for the purpose of
attending these rallies, painting competition' etc etc.and IF so
How did you go about it?
In partisan-political speak, Sandeep Heble has posted (inter
. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o drferdina...@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:27:56
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
BTW: Do you consider 'organising children without parental informed
consent' the ethical thing to do?
Now where did I ever say that. Did I not make it clear in my first
response itself(and consistently thereafter in several subsequent
posts) that we had
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:27:56 -0700 Sandeep Heble wrote: 1.
All our rallies were organised in a perfectly legal manner including the
Student Rallies, with permissions legally obtained from School managements and
other authorities like the Collector, Police, etc. Parents were also intimated
and due
The rather defensive and possibly discourteous which planet comment
(see APPENDIX at foot of this msg) having been noted,
Sandeep Heble also wrote: .All our rallies were organised in a
perfectly legal manner including the Student Rallies, with permissions
legally obtained from School managements
If Jose or Dr Falcao or anybody else feels that we have broken Indian
laws by organizing student rallies, they must point out the specific
provisions of law which, according to them, we may have violated.
All that they have done so far is to make vague and ambiguous claims
which are actually
Sandeep Heble wrote: Before I answer Jose's questions, Could he
please tell us what kind of consent is required from the parents and
under what provisions of law.
Dear Sandeep,
A child is a minor and hence cannot be made/invited to do anything
without the informed consent of his/her parents.
re: whether non-coerced CONSENT was obtained from their parents wrt
their participation at non-school events.
Sandeep Heble noted: Consent was obtained. Nobody was forced.
Dr. Falcao wrote: I do not expect anyone on goanet to believe this.
RESPONSE:
I implicity trust Sandeep Heble as he is
: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:24:36 -0400
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On 3 September 2011 05:55, cormolcar cola...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am happy that children are being encouraged to do the above. Writing,
Painting and Speaking are all beneficial activites.
I am concerned, however, about two elements: One present, the Other missing.
PRESENT: Participation in
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 23:38:20 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote : …
I am assuming that as these are
children, non-coerced CONSENT has been
obtained from their parents wrt their participation at
non-school events.
Or, is it likely that participation has been/ is/ will be as
voluntary as
the
To express solidarity with Anna Hazare and India Against Corruption's
Nation-wide Anti-Corruption crusade, JCI St. Inez, a Youth
organization, backed by IAC Goa Unit, visited various Schools and
Colleges from Panaji and other surrounding areas. Students from these
Institutions were encouraged and
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 04:41:28 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote:… JCI St. Inez, a
Youth organization, backed
by IAC Goa Unit, visited various Schools and Colleges from Panaji and other
surrounding areas. Students from these Institutions were encouraged and urged
to join the Nationwide crusade against
Sandeep Heble wrote: Students from these Institutions were encouraged
and urged to join the Nationwide crusade against corruption BY
participating in Rallies, writing Essays, Poems, Painting Posters,
etc. In the first round, around 25 schools were covered.
COMMENT:
I am happy that children are
To express solidarity with Anna Hazare and India Against Corruption's
Nation-wide Anti-Corruption crusade, JCI St. Inez, a Youth
organization, backed by IAC Goa Unit, visited various Schools and
Colleges from Panaji and other surrounding areas. Students from these
Institutions were encouraged and
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