--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think it is criticism of a place per se
that
the local residents and their unconditional
supporters
take umbrage at, regardless of
whether the remarks come from a resident or
non-resident, but the tone and attitude of the
critic
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From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Mario
Carvalho wrote:
Many a dissident has been executed simply
On 22/12/06, Cornel DaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Selma and Melvyn
I am somewhat surprised that this theme has veered on to Goanet. However,
for a moment I thought that you were referring to Pinochet, the dictator,
who was installed at the behest of the USA and received full military
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Dear Bosco,
You seem to be missing my point. I'll make one last effort(I mean it
this time).
When you talk about Goans selling houses, proper healthcare, migrant
labour, corruption, etc the common denominator in all these issues is
money or economics.
Hence it is not sensible to compare Goa
--- Helga do Rosario Gomes wrote:
Hi Philomena,
This is not a specific response to you but to the
ongoing discussion The mess that is Goa which was
very disturbing for me not 'enlightening or
entertaining' as it luckily was for you.
Mario observes:
Helga,
Thanks for a fair and balanced
I found Sunith's comparisons of NewYork of the 1900s with present day Goa
amusing. Instead of moving forward he seems to be acknowledging that Goa is
going backward. Never mind crime and corruption in New York in the 1900s;
Contemporary Goa draws parallels to Southern Italy of the 1970s, 80s,
. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa
. Glad that
resident Goans like Cecil tell us about the many
plus-es of life in Goa today - it's still a wonderful
life in socegad-land
Is it Goa or Goans who are in a *mess*? We love to criticise, often
without doing anything but cursing the darkness. Often sitting half a
planet away. We prefer to turn a blind eye's to our own contribution
in making the mess!
Capital's depredations of today's Goa rests firmly on both middle
THE MESS THAT GOA IS does not sound well it should read THE MESS THAT
GOANS HAVE PLUNGED THE BEAUTIFUL GOA INTO sounds interesting to me. Just
like Politics is not a dirty subject but the Politicians play it dirty so is
about Goa. Goa can never be a mess if we Goans are not messed up in our
--- Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
2) Selma, I don't think that Goa is devolving
although what's your time line
i.e. from when did it start to devolve? From the
time you were laid on that
table in
Ribandar?!!!
--
Dear Helga,
It is customary on
Soemtimes i wonder what is the actual meaning of the title The Mess that
is GOA i have been reading articles on the same but nothing constructive
relating to the topic per se. It's just ventilation of emotions and
frustrations by a few goanet writers and shooting bullets complaining about
the
Amen to that.
Long live the Goan spirit of caring and camraderie.
Long live Goa Sudharop.
Roland.
On 12/2/06, Filomena Giese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's wonderful to belong to
this responsible and caring circle of Goanet readers.
Filomena
My apologies for the delay in responding to Roland Francis. Have been
overdosing on world-class cinema and the company of film makers and film
lovers. And to come back from that inspiring and invigorating experience to
this petty mudslinging (my lifestyle choices are better than yours!) is a
Glad that we have a forum like Goanet to air our
views. This exchange (The mess that is Goa) has been
both enlightening and entertaining. Glad that
overseas Goans like Roland (and myself some time ago)
can express our concern and regret that more isn't
done in Goa for sustainable development.
Selma writes
I wish instead of the expected self-righteous
responses that we saw, at least one Goan in Goa had
stood up and said, yes, I too am fed-up. I too am fed
,up that after 50 years of independence we don't have
an infrastructure that could sustain some sort of
industry, that we don't have
, are you so blind to see the initiatives taken up by
certain individuals to clean up the mess, on Goanet itself? Goa suraj,
SGF and GOACAN are a few that you should have seen, even if they may
be very impractical, idealistic and misguided at times, but the good
intentions and hopes
Heh heh heh heh. Poor Cecil thought Roland was just
another Selma he could beat up on or better still he
thought Roland was just another NRI who'd genuflect in
awe everytime he appears on Goanet. Little does he
know that when Roland does his genflecting he makes
sure he's legs are free just incase
Dear Sunith,
First of all I don't see an apology for making
incorrect statements about me but that's okay, I'm not
one to be petty and this is a cyber forum where anyone
can make wild accusations and get away with it.
Secondly correct me if I'm wrong but Goanet is a forum
for all Goans wherever
Sunith,
I thought that free speech includes making observations about one's total
experience.
So now you want to throw us out of this forum because we hurt your feelings?
Speaks a lot about your idea of democracy doesn't it? Why should I cut off
my right to free speech that is civil and non
Often I hear these statements made on goanet, mostly
by Goans who have left Goa...
I for one having left Goa at the age of 17 but still make it Goa
every year. I am now working in the gulf and partially settled
in Mumbai. So far I have not sold of my house or property.
What we see happening now
Hello Selma,
I hate engaging in debate on Goanet, preferring instead to be a silent
observer. I have observed the KNOW-ALLS on this forum and their much Googled
and researched posts. There seems to be a misconception that the person who has
the last say in an argument, and it may be full of
Cecil, your hollow rebuttal points to my post are just codswallop (thanks
for making the word popular on Goanet, Cornel).
You have more laws and rules than Canada has. The major difference is you
don't implement them!
How about this one, from your own article in the Gomantak Times of October
26,
Dear Selma and Roland,
I don't judge the choices people make nor the reasons for them. If
economic circumstance or career development has forced a Goan to seek
employment anywhere in the world, it doesn't make them any less Goan
than someone living or working in Goa.
However if they express
--- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Roland,
Sometime ago Selma expressed a similar sentiment to
yours by saying she
was happy not to be born and brought up in Goa,
which got me quite
bewildered as to how a person who is happy not to
have been born,
brought up and
Dear Sunith,
A very good and well expressed response. A lot of so called once upon
a time Goans like to comment on negative manner but rarely offer any
solutions to the problems. They like to be counted as Goan in the
society perhaps they live for selfish reaons, with no love at all for
Goa.
Roland wrote:
This is what I have to say to them:
Keep your money and your dirt. Keep your apathy to what is going
around you. Keep voting for the same politicians that rob you and the
land blind. Keep on felicitating and fawning over them in Kuwait and
elsewhere, wherever they go. Keep selling
Dear Roland,
Sometime ago Selma expressed a similar sentiment to yours by saying she
was happy not to be born and brought up in Goa, which got me quite
bewildered as to how a person who is happy not to have been born,
brought up and lived in Goa could proudly claim to be a Goan.
A fellow Goa
at home in the
West, more than anything else, is the kind of civic orderlines you so well
described.
Regards
Cornel
- Original Message -
From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The Mess That is Goa
If I had not to follow goings-on in Goa ever since I came on Goanet
which in turn led me to glance daily at the Goa e-newspapers, I would
have been totally oblivious to the mess that is Goa. Once every couple
of years I do go to Goa, but not for more than a fortnight at a time.
During this time I
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