Re: [Goanet] Canecos - a comprehensive definition
In her quest for truth Selma directs us to a link which has the following word in Portuguese Portuguese: caneca (f) Perhaps someone will advise me HOW the word caneca for jug (a femine word) is related to canecos. The feminine (plural word for) jugs could not be 'Canecos'; Could they? But then - some Jugs expert might wish to correct me. jc == 2009/7/12 Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com: Guys, I think this link provides us the answer: http://www.allwords.com/details-mug-3443446.html So you see Jose, there was nothing conspiratorial about my search. Just a quest for the truth.
[Goanet] Various issues in Goa
I agree fully with Carmita. By the way, are you the same Carmita I met years and years ago in Delhi, also in goa. Yes, goa has more pressing problems, that we are bothered about foreigners buying property in Goa. One of the biggest problems is our garbage, insfrastructre, better roads, electricity, water etc. Mind you all this has increased tremendously. If we have all these problems DO NOT BLAME ON MIGRANT WORKERS, blame on our Goans, who are selling their houses, land and moving into apartments. Why for a few bucks more. I had written a letter in Goa TOI complaining about the two wheelers on the ferry boat and that there was only one ferry boat. Voila, may be it helped,I don't know, there are two ferry boats now at Betim. And from September, passengers, cyclists and two-wheelers will have to pay. Another menance we have, nobody stops at the zebra crossing, so we are resorted to jay walking. If we don't do that we can never cross a street in Panjim. The other day I was at Pilar, in the far end a whole chunk of a hill was cut. In front of my flat, when I stand on the balcony can see 4 casinos, two are near Malim. Very close to my place a jetty is coming up for one of the casinos. Do you think there wll be parking space. The owner who sold the land to the casino owner is a Goan. Someone was mentioning about learning Hindi in schools rather than Konknai. When English is the medium of construction, Hindi is the second language, it has always been. From the 1st to 4th standard, Konkani is the medium at govt. aided schools, not the private ones. From the 5std it reverts to English medium. Konkani is then taught as a subject. My niece who is in her second year of Microbiology at St. Xaviers Mapuca, passed out from Fatima Convent.Margao. She studied there from the 5th Std. Hindi was the second language, then Konkani. Also a third language either French or Portuguese, she opted for Portuguese. When I was growing up in North India, we just had Hindi as the second language. Besides our National language is Hindi. In my opinion every Indian should know their national language and the regional language they come from. My maid a Muslim from North Karnataka, speaks Hindi, Kanada and Konkani. Please fellow Goans who live abroad, do not criticize goa too much. If you feel Goa needs to change, please come down and I'm sure help will be given to you in all fields. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2233 - Release Date: 07/12/09 08:20:00
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (13Jul09)
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[Goanet] Canecos
It is believed in Mozambique different communities were called different things such as indians were called babus, Goans cancecos (probably empty vessels), Portuguese Maguerre etc. Elisabeth tuka kam na dondo na kitem? BC Gente da costa de Conc?o (people of the Konkan coast), perhaps ... - Original Message From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 11:19:53 PM Subject: [Goanet] Canecos The Portuguese often used the word Canecos as a racial slur for Goans. The word according to the dictionary means a pitcher or jug or a top-hat. I don't know the exact colloquial translation of the word. Can anyone shed some light.
[Goanet] Obama's message to Goans ...?
Watching President Obama on TV telling Africans how much they need strong institutions and not strong men brought me home to Goa where powerful politicians make things happen even if they are illegal or stop something even if it is legal! When are we Goans going to realize that we have certain fundamental rights which are not gifts from our sleazy politicians but rights ...? When are we going to get beyond the mindset of colonial enslavement and become really and truly free in independent India ...? Obama's message to Goans ...?
Re: [Goanet] Pursuing Homoeopathy
Here is a link to a nice article on the absurdities of homeopathy by a world-renowned British cancer surgeon and a pre-eminent professor of complementary medicine who has thoroughly reviewed the literature on homeopathy: http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/printable/5100/ I think people who want to promote reason and honesty in matters of human health ought to recognize that the only role that untested healing rituals such as homeopathy could have in our society is a psychological one. For homeopathy relies entirely on magical thinking, even more so than Ayurveda. Its very basis is contrary to our elementary understanding of chemistry. Time and again clinical studies have shown that homeopathic remedies are essentially worthless i.e. no better than placebo controls. This is because none of the so-called potent homeopathic medications contains even a single molecule of any active drug. They are made up nothing but inert sugar, alcohol and water. Some years ago to demonstrate this fact and the fact that the claims of homeopathy are totally bogus, a group of Belgians, including medical scientists attempted to commit mass suicide by taking large quantities of the deadliest homeopathic drugs. They invited homeopaths to participate as well, but were unsuccessful in motivating them to do so. Perhaps, the homeopaths genuinely believed that they would end up dead. Not surprisingly though the people who participated in the public mass suicide were not affected by the large doses of homeopathic poisons. Here is an excerpt from a report on this episode by Leon Jaroff of Time magazine: QUOTE In front of reporters from Belgium’s major newspapers and television stations, 23 volunteers—respected medical professors, a well-known TV producer, a top publicist, and several ordinary citizens—gulped down large quantities of over-the-counter homeopathic solutions based on deadly poisons. These included snake venom, deadly nightshade, arsenic and, just for the hell of it, dog milk. Dog milk was included because a homeopathic reference book (materia medica) actually says that undiluted dog milk can cause such disturbances as vomiting, bloody pus discharges, sciatica (right side) and dreams of snakes. Even more ominous, the solutions were labeled 30C. This meant that one part of the original substance had been diluted in 100 parts of water or alcohol, shaken, and then diluted again at a ratio of 100 to one, a process that was repeated 30 times. According to homeopaths, each time a solution is shaken, the properties of the original substance are miraculously transferred to the water or alcohol solvent, and each cycle enhances or dynamizes the properties of the solution. Shouldn’t that make the original poison even more potent? Apparently not. All of the 23 volunteers survived, but some who came by car had to wait before returning home because the alcohol in their homeopathic solutions had made them too dizzy to drive. UNQUOTE Here is the link to the full report: http://www.homeowatch.org/articles/jaroff.html Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 7/11/09, isouza icso...@sancharnet.in wrote: ***I am glad that Goan physicians are interested in homoeopathy. I myself am interested in recent advances in homeopathy. With my experience of 30 years, I find it worth studying even deeper. If it could cure the incurable diseases, it would be really a boon for humanity. I know that it cannot be a panacea for all evils. People have wrong impressions about homeopathy, namely that it is slow, it has 'placebo'-effect, it is based on faith, it does not diagnose well. All these inaccurate statements are to be corrected with the genuine scientific evidence which is available today in the 'allopathic' and 'homeopathic' systems. Homeopathic practitioners can test with all the modern means. I am happy to know about genuine concerns for health on the part of Shrikant Barve. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] The farce of prohibition which cannot be enforced
India's leading alcohol tycoon criticises 'political hypocrites' By Andrew Buncombe in Delhi India's leading alcohol tycoon has criticised the “political hypocrites” who control the country’s only dry state after more than 130 people died from drinking tainted home-made liquor. In a broadside against Narendra Modi and his senior officials in the western state of Gujarat, Vijay Mallya said it was an open secret that alcohol was available in the state but at increased prices. Poor people were risking their lives as a result. “The death of more than hundred people resulting from the consumption of spurious liquor is not only tragic but should act as a wake-up call for our political hypocrites,” said Mr Mallya who heads the UB Group, the world’s second largest distiller, which produces many of India’s best-selling brands. “The farce of prohibition which cannot be enforced leads to illegal, unhygienic and unsupervised production of deadly cocktails which claim innocent lives,” Mr Mallya added. Several of India’s states have passed and then dropped prohibition laws over the years. Cities such as Rishikesh ban alcohol on religious grounds, but Gujarat – birthplace of Mahatma Gandhi, who campaigned strongly against drinking – is the only place where alcohol remains illegal state-wide. Mafia gangs and corrupt officials ensure a steady supply, at increased rates. The perilous nature of the cheaper alterative has been underlined by the deaths of more than 130 people in Ahmedabad after drinking so-called “country liquor”. Plastic pouches of such hooch are often sold for as little as 10 rupees (13 pence). Mr Modi, a right-wing firebrand who had been named as a possible national leader of the Hindu nationalist BJP before its election failure, has yet to respond to Mr Mallyas’s claims. His health minister, Jaynarayan Vyas said: “Mallya has a vested interest and he should be the last person to comment? Similar tragedies have taken place on a much bigger scale in non-prohibition states.” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/indias-leading-alcohol-tycoon-criticises-political-hypocrites-1743289.html
[Goanet] The Cabaia
Thanks Selma. I remember a man wearing it in 70's. We called it 'Kabai' He was in his late 60's and 'Porker' by profession. His two sons had two pork meat stalls very close to Cansaulim fish Market. His sons were in their mid 30s. The loose Kabai was long up to the knees (and I think it was sleeveless) It was plain or without any plates or fency. It reminded me of those inmates from Old age home or alber(i). I guess, inside the Kabai, they wore only langutti or Kaxtti or Portonnem (no short pant or ched’di) Most village men used to wear it (kaxtti) in place of present day under-wears or briefs. As said earlier, some shool boys too were wearing langutti.( ye andar ki baat hai). Talking about the Porker, one of his sons despite running full time pork stall (running after pigs, slaughtering, selling pork meat and evening pork products like sausages, fried chops, sorpattel-pao etc) was very popular with Goan bands playing for weddings etc not as musical instrument player but as a crooner (on the vocals). Singing/playing all western music/songs. I still remember one of his songs ‘Call one me, Call on me, oho ho ho ho..’ The crooner popularly known as ‘Pexayer’ (short for Pedro Xavier’) We used to come to Cansaulim from Utorda by cycle to buy pork meat. I think I also remember seeing Lapitt one or two times. There were 3 stalls run by PeXayer, his brother RemeXayer and another by Minin. At Majorda, pork was only available on Sundays near Rly Station by the side of the road. Now, having said all about Kabai, Kaxtti etc some of you may want to ask.. - What about me? Me what? - Did you wear Kaxtti Me? No, never. For that matter I never wore underwear. - What? I mean, until I was 14-15 I could wear Kaxtti though, as I had ‘Munj’ a traditional thick thread around the waist which was used to secure Kaxtti. The ‘Munj’ was also used for other purposes. Top Fisher Folks had it of steel or silver. For that matter, we never even used the present day expensive disposable nappies. Instead, we used re-usable or washable triangular shaped white cotton ‘Nakpin’ (Pl. Nakpina). Quote: [Goanet] The Cabaia In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Mater Dei... hits a century
freddie like your writings we should nominate you for the karmaveer puraskaar (www.karmaveer.com ) thank you. Jeroninio
[Goanet] 'Farewell to an Indian I hardly knew'
Thank you Dr. Samir for a very good and moving article on India. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Canecos
Thank you Monica, That puts in in perspective. So it's origin could be Canarim, afterall, as someone had suggested earlier. This is why I love Goanet! Best, Selma --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Monica Reis monicaer...@gmail.com wrote: From: Monica Reis monicaer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Canecos To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:26 PM For the first time I have to say some words in this group. About *Canecos* in the Portuguese language it means (in the singular form) a wooden jar for the transportation of liquids in the shape of a barrel but with wings, *and/or*, a pot typically more tall and narrow then a *caneca*(I've kept the original: it means a cup), *and/or* in the popular form, a tall hat, *and/or*, in the figurative form, someone to drunk, *and/or*, *pintar o caneco* (to paint the caneco): to make a fuzz or great party, *and/or*, canarim: local from the ancient Portuguese India (origin from the word Canará+*im*) As an expression, *cum caneco (com um caneco)* can be used to express verbal attitude to a sudden event or felling, perhaps equal to the expression used in English I'll be dammed Curiosity: Canarim can also be used in Brazil to describe a a tall man with long legs! Hope I was clear -- Mónica Reis शदलगमो ईागे Indo-Portuguese Art Research Project E-mail: monicaer...@gmail.com Telemóvel Portugal: +351 964 092 575 Telemóvel Índia: +91(0) 909 666 27 88 Skype ID: monicaereis Url: http://www.in-terram-exire.blogspot.com Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/in-terram-exire/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/monicaereis
[Goanet] G’bye Goa - Pakles arrive
Thanks Valmiki, Very interesting. Many things I now know for the first time Thanks again. Refering ‘Pakle’ particularly in the last two para where it is said For Portuguese officials, Goa was a place of loot and fun… It reminds me of Popular Mando-Dulpods based on then ‘PAKLE’ I am now begining to understand the reason and the origin of the dulpod It goes like this.. Ed ractiche ted ratiche PAKLE bhountai khaddache Ani maim moje filoz keleai goddache === Moddgonvam teuviagher, teuviager mez kelam re rondo/Dhondo Tinga ek cheddum nachota cheddum nachota orxem korun bhenddo Teka ek PAKLO choita PAKLO choita burkam galun tonddo. PAKLEA teka choinaka re choinaka re bhail nu cheddun tem randdo. == Santanichea dongrar PAKLE apoitai Tamddem kapodd nesliar Rupia dakoitai Quote: [Goanet] G’bye Goa - Pakles arrive Read here http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/179891.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] E Sreedharan resigns as Delhi Metro chief - five people were killed
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) E Sreedharan resigns as Delhi Metro chief NDTV Correspondent, Sunday July 12, 2009, New Delhi google_protectAndRun(render_ads.js::google_render_ad, google_handleError, google_render_ad); E Sreedharan has resigned as the chief of the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation after five people were killed when an under-construction flyover of the Delhi Metro collapsed in south Delhi early Sunday morning. Thirteen people were injured and rushed to the AIIMS trauma centre. I take full moral responsibility for the accident. As head of the organisation, I have to take the responsibility, said Sreedharan, adding that this is the worst accident in the history of Delhi Metro. He also said that the accident has caused a damage of Rs six crore. Sreedharan submitted his resignation to Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit after visiting the site of the accident. However, sources in the CM office have said that the resignation won't be accepted in a hurry. The DMRC has set up a five-member committee to probe into the mishap. Meanwhile, the Delhi Chief Minister visited AIIMS to meet the injured. She has announced compensation of Rs 5 lakh for the families of those who died, Rs 2 lakh for those with serious injuries and Rs 50,000 for those with other injuries. About 30 workers were at the site when the mishap occurred. One of the pillars broke, leading to the collapse of the concrete slab. A water pipeline also burst as the heavy slab fell on it. Police, fire brigade and ambulance are at the spot and rescue operation is being carried out. In a similar incident in October 2008, two people died and 16 were injured when a portion of the an under-construction bridge collapsed and fell on a bus on east Delhi's busy Vikas Marg. Delhi Metro Rail Corporation blamed the contractor Afcons Infrastructure for the accident but the contractor wasn't changed as DMRC said that would mean major delays. The company said it had put many more safety measures in place after this incident. Some of other major metro-related accidents in the past: On July 18, 2008: A faulty crane at a metro construction site dropped a four-ton iron beam on a passing car and injured two people. August 28, 2007: A crane driver died after a concrete block fell on him. http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/3_killed_7_injured_in_delhi_metro_bridge_collapse.php http://www.goa-world.com www.colaco.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/ www.goa-world.com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS http://www.jrsbible.info/bible.htm Promoting Tiatr Tiatrists since 1994 http://tiatracademy.blogspot.com/ Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans EXPRESSIONS - THE FLOWER SHOP http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/ My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four. Unless there are three other people. -Orson Welles
[Goanet] Goa's abysmal performance in Lusofonia Games
The 2nd Lusofonia games in Lisboa started off with the match between Goa and Mozambique. The only highlight of the match was that the Goans did not sing the bharat anthem. Game wise the u-21 Goa team lacked the basics such as trapping, leading and dribbling. The only good thing was that they kicked the ball all over the place when attacked by the opposition in other words there were 8 defenders plus the goalkeeper (probably was the best player for the Goa team). Mozambique scored two and could have doubled the lead. Goa did not construct one single move from the midfield but missed two easy sitters. Goa performed better in the first Lusofonia games in Macau then they had a Portuguese coach. Now they have Mauricio Afonso once touted as Goa's best player now a clown coach of the Goa team. In the second match Cabo Verde trashed Goa 7-1. The worst performance must have been the women's volleyball they were trashed by Macau. Looked like the girls were playing shetanle volleyball. They could not muster one spike during the match. http://www.lisboa2009.org BC
[Goanet] Konkani Seminar and Condolence Meeting
08.07.2009 Konkani Seminar and Condolence Meeting GRAF (Goan Review Art Foundation) in collaboration with Konkani Association, Mumbai (KAM) organizes a Konkani Seminar Mumbointlea Konknneancho Ekvott Koso Zoddop? (How to unite the Konkani people of Mumbai) Mumbointle Gõykaranche Kudd Koxe Samballop-II (How to sustain the Goan Clubs of Mumbai) followed by Condolence Meeting to pay tributes to the stalwart of the Konkani stage the late M. Boyer on Sunday 19th. July 2009 at 4.00 p.m. at St. Sebastian Goan High School, Dabul, (Thakurdwar) Near Charni Road Station, Mumbai. The Konkani speaking people of Mumbai are today scattered in the far off suburbs of Mumbai, thus breaking their link with their fellow brethren. We have to find a solution to bring all the different Konkani people together in order to sustain our cultural ties and enrich our Konkani language. Mr. Lawrence D'Souza, Kamani, Hon. Secretary of Konkani Bhasha Mandal, Mumbai, the mother association of all Konkani people of Mumbai, will share his views on this subject. The identity of the Goans in Mumbai is slowly dying. The heritage that was built by our ancestors in Mumbai - namely the Village clubs and other institutions are dwindling in numbers. Therefore, for this reason, we have already conducted one seminar - Goan Associations and the Goan Clubs in Mumbai - in order to alert the Goans. This one is a sequel to the seminar already held earlier. Some concerned Goans have taken steps to register the Goan clubs in Mumbai in order to preserve them for posterity. The secretary of this proposed Federation will throw light on the progress made so far in this regard . We are humbly calling upon all Goans to come and attend this seminar and discuss this matter and come forward to take remedial measures to safeguard our language, culture and the club and institution heritage. On this occasion we also pay our respect to our departed artiste M.Boyer who enriched the Konkani culture through his plays and songs. There is no fee to attend this Seminar however those interested to attend this seminar must register their names in advance. For Registration and other details kindly contact: Gable D'Souza (9820494439) or GRAF office (22630139). Fausto V. Da Costa President
[Goanet] LOL – Monday Muse (13 July 2009)
MONDAY MUSE (13 July 2009) LOL LOL is an acronym for ‘laugh out loud’ or ‘laughing out loud’. It is being increasingly used in internet and cellular textual communication. Although, some may also use it to mean ‘lots of love’, the majority would be using the abbreviation to indicate their expression of mirth. However, it is a matter of conjecture whether the person, who writes LOL as a response, is actually laughing out aloud or only saying so. Interestingly, ‘LOL’ as a native Dutch word means ‘fun’ while in Welsh, it means ‘nonsense’. But as an acronym it is open to as many meanings as laughter can have… it can express glee, joy, delight, amusement, contempt, sarcasm, scorn, ridicule, derision, etc, etc. hence, ‘LOL’ does not tell us of a singular, specific response. It is pertinent to note that e-communication can obscure real responses under generalized initializations. Surely it would be better to receive responses such as ‘that’s funny’ or ‘that’s not funny’ or ‘what’s so funny’ or ‘so that’s funny according to you’, so on and so forth instead of a repetitive ‘LOL’ which is open to different analysis. Exceptions would include cases when both persons on either side of the message are in tune with only one understanding of the term that is used. Acronyms are wonderful things as long as they are singular in meaning. After all, it is more important to express rather than impress. Our communication will be better if our responses do not get expressed in generalizations which may not reflect our real response. To BE BETTER at communicating our true feelings We must avoid expressions with multiple meanings :-) Pravin K. Sabnis Goa, India. Looking for local information? Find it on Yahoo! Local http://in.local.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] God and You
St.Francis of Assisi whilst sending out his friars to preach the word of God instructed them thus ,' Go out and preach - and whenever required preach with words' What he meant was that as Christians and followers of Jesus Christ we must spread the Good News by our actions - when the gentiles saw the good works of the christians and saw the joy they shared they too were drawn to the faith God Bless Allwyn
Re: [Goanet] Foreigners buying properties in Goa
Well, if the cops are scared of doing anything, or if they have are in cahoots with the Russians, then I suppose the whole village ought to 'gherao' en masse the Russians, the police and the State Govt. Things should not be left as they are. What is GBA doing? Has this situation been brought to the attention of the Governor? - Original Message From: Domnic Fernandes domval...@hotmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 1:14:33 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Foreigners buying properties in Goa For the greed of money, the Morjekars have sold vast stretches of their properties to the Russians. In some cases, they have bought almost entire wards. Thus, they do not only control the place but also the people. Mind you, we are dealing with Russian mafia and international drug lords who are hand in gloves with the local machinery by paying them a very high premium, which the aam admi cannot even dream. Usually, an outsider should not and does not interfere with locals but the Russians in Morjim are an exception. Whenever their neighbors approach them with a complaint they are outnumbered, threatened and even beaten up. As far as police are concerned, the lesser said the better. Obviously, they are well-fed with hafta; so, they turn a blind eye at everything - Te mevta te vatten lenvtat! It is we who have created this monster, which has grown in size. We must unite and destroy it before it grows further and devours us. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Tel: 9420979201; http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-July/threadpost_id=179814 Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[Goanet] Revelation of Hell
Whenever I express the view that I am skeptical of the existence of Hell and the Revelations chapter of the Bible, I will have some zealous Goan-Christian friend give me an audio or video link of someone who says he or she has been shown hell in person by virtue of some extraordinary event. They will tell of their short tour of hell in graphic detail. The problem is, those to whom it is revealed are all Americans and well dressed at that, as if as if God has chosen well-off and well-groomed Americans only, for this special favor. See one example: http://spiritlessons.com:80/Mary_K_Baxter_A_Divine_Revelation_of_Hell.htm Perhaps if we could convince the Jihadis of this fire and brimstone version rather than the one with 72 virgins (yes, I have heard the joke about paradise running out of virgins because of so many suicide bombers), we may have made the world a better place and America a safer country with infinitely lesser cost. -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Canarins de Goa
But then who are the canarins as the Portuguese or mestissos or bamons used to call other Goans. They were the ordinary Goans who were without an iota of Portuguese blood running in their veins. Economically they were a deprived lot. But todays bamon will say \ that he too is a pure Goan of Indian race. But during those he wanted to be on the Portuguese side and distanced himself from the poor and deprived Goan. The only Government Secondary School in Portuguese language prior to 1961 was the Liceu Nacional Afonso de Albuquerque on top of Altinho hill in Panjim. I was one of
[Goanet] 6 reasons Why Goa is a favourite destination for migrants
I was wondering why so many migrants were flocking into Goa. The following I thought could be some of the reasons: 1: Rail travel is free. 2: Many 'elite' Goans need cheap 'chokra boys' to do their yard work. Today we clean their yards, tomorrow - we will 'clean up' everything.(;-) 3: The liquor is not tainted (at least not yet) 4: You get paid membership with benefits - for automatically joining the bank i.e. the Vote Bank 5: Goans will talk big ...but come to our gaddo and eat our bhel and pani-puri. (May be we should add a special ingredient to make them come again and again). 6: The silly Goans believe that the 4 English people who are investing their own money and restoring houses - are the ones who make Goans a minority. The silly goons (Goans, I mean) do not know that they already are in a minority. Guess who are in the majority? Yes... We are. BTW: We are not unreasonable people - Goans are welcome to use the same free rail service and migrate to our place . Don't worry, it is not much filthier than Goa now has become. jc ps: Coming up in the next post: We are offering free vaginal examinations for women - consent is not necessary. No restrictions apply. Come one Come all.
[Goanet] Talking Photo: “Ponte de Linhares ” on life support
Talking Photo: “Ponte de Linhares” on life support 377 year old on life support ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/3716438170/sizes/l/ The other fancy decorations you see in the above pic is from the modern day careless Government Depts. Electricity and Telecommunication dept? another, the other side http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/3715698051/sizes/l/ The above site may need urgent attention as some villagers worried about the rusting plates and the danger that may pose by the live electric cables etc joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goa news for July 14, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa minister resists swine flu facility in his constituency - SINDH TODAY un hospital in his assembly segment in south Goa into a specialized facility for treatment of swine flu patients. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.sindhtoday.net/news/1/30226.htmusg=AFQjCNEvR68Wn_ysLtFwX3_xPxeIuAMCww *** Cape Verde thrash Goa 7-1 - Chennai Online demolition at the men's football tournament of the Lusofonia Games held in Lisbon, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?CATEGORYNAME=SPOfd=Rsa=Turl=http://news.chennaionline.com/newsitem.aspx?NEWSID=5bf2748b-a1c3-4230-a003-68bdb1cb304eusg=AFQjCNFAs8H5EsZnbp4PFwP6rE6c4_gEtA *** Top design is a goa - Where I Live - News Community Media News Community MediaThe artwork and environmental slogans of budding young artists from another 11 Brisbane schools will also be transformed into giant 6 x 3m goa Billboards ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://westside-news.whereilive.com.au/news/story/top-design-is-a-goa/usg=AFQjCNGs71RM3xJXa18jwvANJmM8VOX9rg *** Goa mulls to optimise sponsorship, cut expenditure on IFFI - Hindu nduPanaji (PTI): Goa government has unveiled plans to optimise sponsorships and minimise expenditure for International Film Festival of India (IFFI) 2009 ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200907131581.htmusg=AFQjCNHsz9O4Ciag55Z2HaCBRGmcdCKjIQ *** GOA and NRA keeping up pressure on Sotomayor nomination - Examiner.com aminer.comRecently GOA reported that Sandy Froman has stepped up again to keep pressure on in regards to the nomination of Judge Sotomayer. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.examiner.com/x-13542-Grand-Rapids-Hunting-Examiner~y2009m7d9-NRAs-Past-President-Strikes-Again--Urges-Senators-not-to-confirm-Judge-Sotomayorusg=AFQjCNEr_-9SmlIY9eY2kl_kRYaKpuSwvA *** S Goa to boast of best disaster control plan - Times of India mes of IndiaMARGAO: Before the next monsoon season arrives, South Goa district will be able to boast of an impressive and professional, yet infallible and foolproof, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-City-Goa-S-Goa-to-boast-of-best-disaster-control-plan/articleshow/4764547.cmsusg=AFQjCNGE36UEe-wBDoXiilf7qhD5fBdiMw *** Goa may oppose Hanakon thermal power plant - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: Goa's forest ministry has agreed to pledge support to the Karwar locals in opposing the setting up of the Hanakon thermal power plant in an ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-City-Goa-Goa-may-oppose-Hanakon-thermal-power-plant/articleshow/4770302.cmsusg=AFQjCNGRm52ODCDe_D7di8iYiZXpu-ov-w *** Land kept aside for locals at industrial estate - Times of India mes of IndiaIn all my five years as chairman of the GIDC, I have never allowed any steel or polluting units in Goa. And I will not do so in the future, he said. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Land-kept-aside-for-locals-at-industrial-estate/articleshow/4770283.cmsusg=AFQjCNFcu3lOPqer1lPXseH9kw3vY2PEeg *** Hike in price of essential commodities in South Goa - Times of India mes of IndiaMARGAO: A steep hike in the prices of vegetables and essential commodities in the South Goa market has burnt a hole in the pockets of the common man, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Hike-in-price-of-essential-commodities-in-South-Goa/articleshow/4770292.cmsusg=AFQjCNHGlnODeqFwMaGL0Ef3wekzWC2gKg *** Goa plans special corpus for its \'jobless expats\' - Economic Times onomic TimesThe welfare fund, to be based on the contributions made by NRGs, aims to provide financial relief to Goan expats in these times of financial turmoil. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Goa-plans-special-corpus-for-its-jobless-expats/articleshow/4774429.cmsusg=AFQjCNHr1fJGtHeS1Cuqrmy9I6yBGf4C_A Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] The Accidental Activist - This Land is my Land
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:09:51 -0400 From: Venita Coelho venitacoe...@gmail.com Across India the burning question is - who has a right over the land? People who have lived for generations on their land, tilled it, nurtured it - or the government? Mario observes: Only in a totalitarian country would the government claim to own the land of people who have had possession of it for generations, i.e those who own the private property. Venita wrote: The Government has full right to acquire any land in the state for 'public purposes'. The problem is that the government gets to define 'public purpose' and not the public. So a minister has decided that rich agricultural fields should go and a 'playground' come in their place. The land is acquired over the protests of the people, The Cidade de Goa decides that it needs the public access to the beach for its own private five star hotel. That becomes public purpose. A power of the government meant to be used for the greater common good is used time and again to help the privileged few benefit further. The government takes land from people to give to big business and industry. Mario observes: The Cidade de Goa case was a travesty perpetrated for political reasons and should have been deemed illegal in the courts. In the US, public purpose is clearly defined by the laws of most of the states as a purpose that benefits the public, i.e. a road, bridge, or other similar public infrastructure. In these cases the land owners must be adequately compensated for their property and helped to re-settle. Public Purpose cannot involve the government taking land from one private owner to provide benefits to a another private entity even if this will benefit the local government indirectly by increasing the local tax base. If the developers want the property they must purchase it from the owners directly. Venita wrote: Above everything an even larger question looms. That of the right of man over the earth. The Bible says that God gave dominion to man over earth and all things in it. This is the attitude that the white settlers carried with them as they shot bison in the thousands on the plains of America. Divine justification is what the West righteously claimed as it gouged what it wanted from the earth, slaughtered entire species, poisoned our air, land and water. Mario responds: This is pure hyperbole magnified by myth, with all due respect, bordering on propaganda. Anyone who has visited the West would see no such poisoning of air, land or water, just the opposite. This is typically seen across India and China and Africa. What the Bible says makes simple common sense in this case, since man is the highest form of life and the one with superior intelligence. Th bison were killed for food, a few at a time, not massacred by the thousands as you seem to imply. Anyone hear of dinosaurs? Species have come and gone over the entire history of the earth, a fate that also awaits mankind some day in the distant future. The earth chugs along unaffected except in the minds of some activists who would like to impose their personal opinions on everyone else. I read a study a few years ago that north America had more trees today than when the first European settlers arrived centuries ago, in spite of all the trees cut down for building since lumber is the primary building material in north America. Why? Because common business sense dictated that the trees be replaced if the businesses that harvest timber were to survive, and they all plant more trees than they cut down. Venita wrote: This attitude towards ownership and rights over the earth is in complete contrast with the attitude of the east which has long spoken of the interconnectedness of all life. Mario responds: Oh, really? On planet Earth? Long spoken of? Perhaps. Talk has always been cheap, especially in the east. Implemented in practice? Only if one is totally delusional. India and China are the two countries most careless with their environment. Venita wrote: Red Indians laughed when the white man asked to buy their land. How could land belong to man? How could the mystery of trees and streams and fertile earth be sold? Mario responds: This explains why the Red Indian failed to survive, doesn't it? They could have charged confiscatory prices for their land and lived happily every after:-)) The right to own private property underpins the western democracies. Venita wrote: Our poor tired battered earth. We stand at the cross roads of disaster. Individual greed and government connivance are changing the face of the land across Goa. Across India people are forced to fight the destruction of their land and traditional lives. Mario responds: I got news for you, Venita. The old Earth is far more rugged than you make it out to be and is not even close to being tired, whatever that means. We puny humans can try all we want and we will
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[Goanet] A tiatr by Pascoal Rodrigues - A trailer
A tiatr by Pascoal Rodrigues A trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT75fbXmn_k Jaju, Roseferns brother also seen. Comedian Shimla, Rumaldo at their best joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (14Jul09)
*** Goa 'Wealth' Services Development Act *** ** By...For...Of...Health Min. V. Rane ** Mr C.M. its another name for his 'Goa Health Services Dev. Act'!..One day he'll Buy your Chair! To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Govt plans music revival
Govt plans music revival PANAJI: Taking cognizance of the declining interest among youth to learn the art of playing traditional musical instruments like the shennai, trumpet, clarinet or sarangi, the art and culture department has decided to initiate efforts to encourage its revival. Some of our traditional forms, including traditional musical instruments are on the verge of extinction and our department has decided to provide guidance to the youth and others who are interested, said Ashok Parab, assistant director, department of art and culture. The department's initiative is aimed at providing guidance inclusive of basic or primary knowledge and training in the traditional forms of art and music. As a beginning, the department will organise a workshop from July 29 to August 3, to impart training in sarangi, a stringed instrument. Pandit Santosh Mishra will be the expert guide for the workshop, said Parab, while adding that regular training classes will also be soon started. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS-City-Goa-Govt-plans-music-revival/articleshow/4774081.cms
Re: [Goanet] Canecos
Roland, A double bass is a rebecao. Regards, Victor --- On Sun, 7/12/09, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Canecos To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 10:21 AM And here I was thinking that boncao was the Konkani word for Double Bass, plucked rather than played with a bow. Roland. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Alfred de Tavaresalfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: I always heard it used as caneca (coneca) understood as someone infatuated with conas/cunts, femeninity beyond his ken hence the derivative thereof. In the same pejorative application of panaleiro, bonk-marpi, boncao/paederast, fige- filho da-puta sonofabitch, colvant/colvont/prostitute so on
[Goanet] Greatest Konkani Song Hits #5
GREATEST KONKANI SONG HITS #5: ___ transcribing the fine music of a great culture - revisiting the original magic, and recreating a modern idiom: ___ ADEUS KORCHO VELLU PAULO ___ The Farewell Hour is Here A. LEGEND: Adeus Korcho Vellu Paulo Adeus Korcho Vellu Paulo: The Farewell Hour is Here, the bridal farewell to her dear old home as she departs for her nuptials, was composed by the great Torquato de Figueiredo for the farewell of Josefina Cruz and Ubaldino Mascarenhas circa 1905. The classical mando, an art song expressed in square dance, blossomed between 1830 and Figueiredo's death in 1948. Serene and sedate, generally a monologue in the Brahmin Konkani dialects of the South Goan villages of Loutolim, Raia, Curtorim and Benaulim, three distinct schools evolved, focusing on varied themes including love, marriage and longing. Konkani and Portuguese words predominate. This mando, synonymous with sentimental farewells, was part of the xim bridal departure ceremony where she crossed an imaginary line strewn by liquor drops into her new spouse's family. Heavy of heart the bereft damsel is reassured by the kinfolk of her continued place in their hearts. The minor key lament climaxes into the major, bidding her godspeed. The moment freezes, but it's time to say goodbye. __ B. TALES OF THE UNEXPECTED: Adeus Korcho Vellu Paulo Loutoulim, Goa, December 1896. The stable-boy splattered the manure as the wedding cortege passed, but nary a drop stained her trousseau, and he choked with bitterness. Valentina was his master's daughter, and she was marrying another - gentry of course. Vellu he called her, his Valentine, but she'd broken his heart into a million pieces, in the stables next door to the church. Raging, he piled more saltpeter over the winter charcoal in the stable, sandwiching the sulfur scrapings he'd gathered from the disused mine on the village outskirts, as the Chinese sailor had shown him. Next door the choir struck up Vellu's wedding dirge Adeus Korcho (saying goodbye), alternately sad and ecstatic. Was parting such sweet sorrow? Paulo oiled the length of twine jutting from the compost, led it out and lit it. Tipping past the closed church doors, he quietly bolted them and slipped away to the neighbouring village, for a drink with the sailor who had shown him how easily charcoal and saltpeter could be turned into gunpowder. In ten minutes when the sky burst and the earth shook, Paulo silently murmured his own ending for the departed bride Adeus Korcho, Vellu.Paulo! http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com ___ Francis Rodrigues (c) 2009. Author of the multi-volume Greatest Konkani Song Hits series.Tales Of The Unexpected contains many elements of the original lyric ideas. (A) is fact. (B) is fiction - a new spin to focus on the old songs. _ _ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047
Re: [Goanet] Foreigners buying properties in Goa
Pardon me for saying so Sa, say do mention me in your inheritance if you plan to gherao them Ruskos. Be brave and wish you all the best. And be sure I will think of you, and...and I will think of you, or at least what will become of you. Unless you can run really really really fast. It sometimes pays to be wise and avoid confrontation. If I were you, I would take my savings and hide under the bed. If you have a 'gudao', still a better option. Like Domnic mentioned, the it is indeed a monster, a monster that is growing. And if Goa had pulice, you won't know it! If you are curious, do read up Misha Glenny's McMafia (available in any major book stores) and watch his videosand he has a slide-show with rare pictures of them big meaty charactersif you find it, do watch. I highly recommend. You'll get a picture of what you are dealing with...meaty characters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65h0N6L-bwfeature=PlayListp=730FFFA33F6CF032index=2 We Goichis have a trist with them meaty characters no? The fellow with 'D' in the first name has his no2 who is very much a Goichi...and the C-bros are... Best Regards from Carwar. On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredogdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Well, if the cops are scared of doing anything, or if they have are in cahoots with the Russians, then I suppose the whole village ought to 'gherao' en masse the Russians, the police and the State Govt. Things should not be left as they are. What is GBA doing? Has this situation been brought to the attention of the Governor?
[Goanet] We call this plant 'Jezu Kalliz'
We call this plant 'Jezu Kalliz' http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3717595421/ (Heart of Jesus) joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Rough Guide or rough ride - Inquistion story revisited
Apply, apply and no reply after this email to Rough Guide a couple of weeks ago. When one bhaile choli referred to the Rough Guide regarding the worst Inquisition I smelt something fishy. Therefore I sent an email to RG and below is the reply asking for information. I did send an email in re-post but till today Ragini Govind is doing research on the sources of the Inquisition in Goa. The book is written by one David Abram a sleight of hand artist and traveller. Is it Abram referring to Zimmler or this is an other RSS input in RG? BC Dear B.Colaco, Thank you for writing to us. Could I enquire as to why you require this information? Regards, Ragini Govind PR Marketing Support Coordinator Rough Guides www.roughguides.com -Original Message- From: B. Colaco [mailto:ole_...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:55 AM To: Rough Guides Mail Subject: [RG.com][Editorial comments] Goa - Rough Guides Could some at Rough Guides on Goa inform on the references or source of information related to the Inquisition of the 16th and 17th century that happened in Goa during that period. Kind regards and Thank you B. Colaco This email was sent by a company owned by Pearson plc, registered office at 80 Strand, London WC2R 0RL. Registered in England and Wales with company number 53723
[Goanet] Education industry 'rife with corruption' | Business | News.com.au
Hey Goanetters, I told you so. http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,25778149-462,00.html rubygoes
Re: [Goanet] Obama's message to Goans ...?
Only when Goans come to realise the fact that Goa's HORIZON need not be filled up by Congress alone. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [Goanet] Obama's message to Goans ...? Watching President Obama on TV telling Africans how much they need strong institutions and not strong men brought me home to Goa where powerful politicians make things happen even if they are illegal or stop something even if it is legal! When are we Goans going to realize that we have certain fundamental rights which are not gifts from our sleazy politicians but rights ...? When are we going to get beyond the mindset of colonial enslavement and become really and truly free in independent India ...? Obama's message to Goans ...?
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia.... á là Dr. B arónio Monteiro
Gabriel, The most fervent adherent of the cabaia in Goa, our own illustrious Lotlekar, Dr Barónio Monteiro? It came about thus: The Portuguese had long since introduced/Instituted and the Goans docilely accepted, a dress code for Goans, especially, the servidores do governo: various degrees of suits made of linnen, its oppulence accentuating the status of the incumbent. For Hindu upper-castes the upper torso garments were identical with the others, ie. shirt, tie coat; however, the lower limbs, istead of trousers were encased in immaculate white dhoti into which the shirt was tucked and the former itself tucked into socks, ending with shoes. This entire, most delectable, confection was crowned with the imposing black topí. (Recall Matmó, Xeldenkar BC, old Abade Faristas?) Mario, in, various illustrations accurately depicts this fantastic attire. But returning to cabaia, the gentle but resolute revolutionary, Dr. Barónio Monteiro could not stomach this peremptory sartorial imposition. However, without such attire approach to authorities, visit to government offices was not countenanced with the exception of the priestly garb. Taking advantage of this, a veritable loophole became apparent to Dr. Barónio. He designed a cabaia a cross between the clerical cassock and a raincoat, creamish in colour, and along with a group of goan fellow-intellectuals wore it damnedly confound the colonial uniformisers. It worked fine, but for a while only; gradually, one by one, his fickle confréres abandoned the tunic...and, Dr Barónio. Dr. Barónio, (sempre muito teimoso, his equally cervantean neighbour, Dr. Chiquito Ananás, Cardóso would say of him), however, persisted to the last, being burried in it. BTW, Dr. Barónio Monteiro, a distinguished product of the Escola Médica de Goa, devoted his life, among prolific other pursuits and achievements, was. also until the end, a dedicated adherent of natural medical cure. In this respect, I recall, when his brother, Pe Aleixinho, lay in his death bed, Dr. Barónio, was wont to lovingly attend to his every need and fed him chiefly with tender coconut flesh and water. Tajim pixeponam to sod'dnan, neigbours, compulsorilly and pestilentially descending upon the sick aand the dying in Goa, would maintain, To taka oktam di'nna pun nar'la udcan padcer korun marta. Such has, always, been the desserts of the seers and daring venturers of Goa. Over to You, dear Bess... Alfred de Tavares OBS: Dr, Barónio wore conservative pyjamas beneath his cabaia. He carried it off in a most distinguished mién. Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:53:07 -0700 From: gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia Looks like a Moroccan connection somewhere! I faintly remember wearing one when I was a kid as a substitue for pyjamas. I was given one 'bout 20 years ago by an European tour guide, who had brought one from Morocco. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, 13 July, 2009 1:47:06 AM Subject: [Goanet] The Cabaia In the days of yore, Goan men wore a cabaia, on top of their kastis. I cannot successful trace the genesis of this attire to any particular influence. It is definitely not a Hindu influence nor do I believe Portuguese men wore a cabaia. The word cabaia is also commonly used in the Far East where the woman's tunic is called a cabaia. The is some possibility the Portuguese might have borrowed this word from the Arabs, who wear similar garments, but which today are called dish-dashes, but at one point might have been called Qaba. Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this. Best, selma Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/
[Goanet] Prisoners of Colvale - by Wendell Rodricks
Prisoners of Colvale By Wendell Rodricks I am now convinced that in any part of the world, one can stumble on Goans. Jet Airways London Heathrow General Manager is the charming Desmond D’Sa. On streets in Budapest, Prague, Warsaw and Cracow were I spent the last month, I met many Goans. The biggest surprise was in Prague. For a miraculous prayer, I went to the Church of Our Lady Victorious to see the dazzling gold and silver altar with the famous Infant Jesus of Prague. When I asked to bless the rosaries I purchased, I met a Goan priest. Fr. Vincent Fernandes has been in residence, (transferred from London) since 2000. Ofcourse he had heard of Goa Today. For the cache of Infant Jesus photographs and prayer brochures he gave me, I hope this copy reaches him with grateful thanks. Back home in Goa, I watched the green hills of the motherland approach the descending aircraft. A most pleasurable emotion. Home at last! Jetlag can be a killer; it can take a week to recover. However, the next day after I arrived, I decided to prolong my sightseeing and did what I wanted to do a long time ago. Read what follows tongue in-cheek, thought provoking though it may be. On the Colvale hills, I set out to see the new Colvale prison, under construction. At the moment it is a big cement rectangle comprising a very high wall, with multiple watch towers. The quantity of cement is staggering. Some 50 crore rupees (75% from the Centre) will flow into this state of the art prison. Each prisoner gets 83 sq. mts (surely a general calculation of the entire jail, which will house 600 inmates). It’s all very high tech. People in power can speak to inmates (I can imagine the suave Home Minister in Delhi asking an inmate if he is OK or not). Seriously, they feel this will be India’s best “prison management” exercise. The Colvale jail will have no women prisoners. Where will all those dancing girls and other women go to? Maybe the Sada jail at Vasco? In contrast, the Aguada jail has space for 125 males and 25 females. I have always wondered about the Aguada jail. Infact I am envious of the prisoners who have that view. I can see a few of them getting very comfy. No rent. Free meals. Great view. Hey! This sounds like a ride. At our tax expense! Sometimes I wonder why our taxes need to go to feed and house prisoners. The hard core criminals definitely need to be behind bars. But they get some 600 gms rice and lentils per day (which poor tribals and the truly improvised never get). Worse is why filmstars are kept prisoners instead of making some money for the state. Put celeb criminals in jail but let them out to do a few dance steps and give those multiple crore earnings to the state. Salman Khan got 90 lakh to do a few dance steps at IFFI year before last, right? Do the Math! Talking of which, the alleged crime of Shiney Ahuja has quickly been tried by media while a terrorist case like Kasab, viewed by millions live, is gobbling crores worth of state time, lawyers, paperwork and prison upkeep. Isn’t there an imbalance here? Going back to the Aguada jail; what will become of it? A hotel or spa to the highest bidder I guess. I would never check in there at the thought that I may share air space that paedophile Freddy Peats breathed. These serious criminal cases need to go on the fast track to closure. While some justly irate feminists suggest a castration in public, Taliban style, others would like to see a quicker route to the death penalty. A difficult judgement to pronounce. I was once seated near a Canadian lawyer between Ottawa and Toronto. A lecturer at the Toronto University, he “specialised in cases where innocents were unjustly serving jail sentences”. Really? “Yes” he replied. “Some languished for twenty five years, falsely condemned”. What happens then? “Well, we got the state to cough up 6 million dollars. But it was useless. After 25 years in jail, the man had no value for money and was too old to enjoy it “. On the day I met this advocate, he was on his way to meet an Indian housewife who he was certain was innocent. It is a double edged sword to rush into a judgement. High profile cases can “create” innocent criminals because everyone : the police, the law and the public, want to see someone in jail. If this is the case the least that can be done is to expiate the truly gruesome, publicly committed crimes (like Kasab’s televised shoot out). Their fate drags on endlessly at the Government and tax payers cost. It is incredible that a man rapes a seven year old girl in Goa, inflicts her with AIDs and is out on bail. In comparison Shiney’s alleged case is not as serious (but serious nevertheless). I hope the inmates of the new jail are put to work in Colvale. They can do so much that we need – Build roads. Control a garbage processor. Yes! Let them work and generate income instead of our taxes going to keep them content. When I was walking on the periphery of the jail, someone whispered “They are going to have a
[Goanet] Mugabesque back in action. Govt holds mass Manual Vaginal examination to test for virginity !
The Maugabesque official (perhaps realising that there is NO other method of ruling out pregnancy) said: “The test was a precautionary measure,” he added. “Last year one of the brides delivered a baby even as the marriage ceremony was on. Since there is money involved, many women, try to take advantage.” So ...they paraded these women and had their vaginas 'manually examined'. Brilliant! Isn;t it? I wonder now if any of the Shahanis, Goswamis, Gillians and Selmas will hold an 'inquisition' about this ..or just say Why should we bother? It is cheaper to just beat up on the Portuguese (whom - as Bernado rightly pointed out) we were so close to but agora we are nationalists. Of course! sure sure.(Not applicable to 'bhaille') So ...here's to Mugabe! jc Govt holds virginity test for MP brides All 151 girls who participated in a mass wedding conducted by the Madhya Pradesh government on June 26 were forced to undergo virginity tests before doing so. The mass wedding in Shahdol, 600 km east of Bhopal, was part of a welfare measure, the Mukhyamantri Kanyadaan Yojna (Chief Minister’s ‘giving away the bride’ programme) begun by the state in April 2006. Under it, single adult women from poor families – be they unmarried, widowed, divorced or abandoned – who have found themselves prospective spouses but cannot afford the wedding expenses, are married off in groups and paid a fixed sum of Rs 6500 as well. “At first I refused to go through the test,” said a Baiga tribal girl, who was among the brides at Shahdol, but who does not want to be identified. “But an officer told me I would not be allowed inside the marriage hall unless the gynaecologist declared me eligible. And the only way I could be eligible was by going through the test.” “The gynecologist manually examined,” she added. Dr Reena Gautam, gynecologist at Shahdol district hospital, under whose supervision the tests were conducted, refused to comment. “Speak to the administration officials,” she said. “I’ve ordered an enquiry,” Neeraj Dubey, Shahdol district collector told HT. But his sympathies were clear. “The test was a precautionary measure,” he added. “Last year one of the brides delivered a baby even as the marriage ceremony was on. Since there is money involved, many women, try to take advantage.” The programme has been allocated a Rs 25 crore budget this year. In three years, 88,460 such marriages have been solemnized in different districts of the state. http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=4657903navname=Generalmoreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/hindustantimes/general/hindustantimes.phphomeurl=http://www.samachar.com/mostread.phpnextids=4658019%7C4658016%7C4656309%7C4657903%7C4656308nextIndex=4
Re: [Goanet] Revelation of Hell
I will remain content with the Dantean version of lovely Lucofer's domain... Alfred de T Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:05:20 -0400 From: roland.fran...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Revelation of Hell Whenever I express the view that I am skeptical of the existence of Hell and the Revelations chapter of the Bible, I will have some zealous Goan-Christian friend give me an audio or video link of someone who says he or she has been shown hell in person by virtue of some extraordinary event. They will tell of their short tour of hell in graphic detail. The problem is, those to whom it is revealed are all Americans and well dressed at that, as if as if God has chosen well-off and well-groomed Americans only, for this special favor. See one example: http://spiritlessons.com:80/Mary_K_Baxter_A_Divine_Revelation_of_Hell.htm Perhaps if we could convince the Jihadis of this fire and brimstone version rather than the one with 72 virgins (yes, I have heard the joke about paradise running out of virgins because of so many suicide bombers), we may have made the world a better place and America a safer country with infinitely lesser cost. -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371 _ Share your memories online with anyone you want. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.aspx?tab=1
[Goanet] Nervous China may attack India by 2012: Expert -- the Times of India
Send From the Times of India Nervous China may attack India by 2012: ExpertPTI 12 July 2009, 07:03pm IST A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from unprecedented internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country. China will launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century, Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said. Verma said the recession has shut the Chinese exports shop, creating an unprecedented internal social unrest which in turn, was severely threatening the grip of the Communists over the society. Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves and growing internal dissent, Verma said in an editorial in the forthcoming issue of the premier defence journal. In addition to this, The growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness, he said, adding that US President Barak Obama's Af-Pak policy was primarily Pak-Af policy that has intelligently set the thief to catch the thief. Verma said Beijing was already rattled, with its proxy Pakistan now literally embroiled in a civil war, losing its sheen against India. Above all, it is worried over the growing alliance of India with the US and the West, because the alliance has the potential to create a technologically superior counterpoise. All these three concerns of Chinese Communists are best addressed by waging a war against pacifist India to achieve multiple strategic objectives, he said. While China covertly allowed North Korea to test underground nuclear explosion and carry out missile trials, it was also increasing its naval presence in South China Sea to coerce into submission those opposing its claim on the Sprately Islands, the defence expert said. He said it would be unwise at this point of time for a recession-hit China to move against the Western interests, including Japan. Therefore, the most attractive option is to attack a soft target like India and forcibly occupy its territory in the Northeast, Verma said. But India is least prepared on ground to face the Chinese threat, he says and asks a series of questions on how will India respond to repulse the Chinese game plan or whether Indian leadership would be able to take the heat of war. Is Indian military equipped to face the two-front wars by Beijing and Islamabad? Is the Indian civil administration geared to meet the internal security challenges that the external actors will sponsor simultaneously through their doctrine of unrestricted warfare? The answers are an unequivocal 'no'. Pacifist India is not ready by a long shot either on the internal or the external front, the defence journal editor says. In view of the imminent threat posed by China, the quickest way to swing out of pacifism to a state of assertion is by injecting military thinking in the civil administration to build the sinews. That will enormously increase the deliverables on ground - “ from Lalgarh to Tawang, he says.
Re: [Goanet] The Cabaia
As a resource for words like this, it is difficult to beat Hobson-Jobson which not only provides a meaning and derivation but also historical occurrences. Thus we have: CABAYA , s. This word, though of Asiatic origin, was perhaps introduced into India by the Portuguese, whose writers of the 16th century apply it to the surcoat or long tunic of muslin, which is one of the most common native garments of the better classes in India. The word seems to be one of those which the Portuguese had received in older times from the Arabic (ḳabā, 'a vesture'). From Dozy's remarks this would seem in Barbary to take the form ḳabāya. Whether from Arabic or from Portuguese, the word has been introduced into the Malay countries, and is in common use in Java for the light cotton surcoat worn by Europeans, both ladies and gentlemen, in dishabille. The word is not now used in India Proper, unless by the Portuguese. But it has become familiar in Dutch, from its use in Java. [Mr. Gray, in his notes to Pyrard (i. 372), thinks that the word was introduced before the time of the Portuguese, and remarks that kabaya in Ceylon means a coat or jacket worn by a European or native.] Then there are numerous occurrences listed from as early as 1540. Hobson-Jobson is a fascinating read – the word boutique, for example, is derived from the butica of Goa. The book is available online at a Univ. of Chicago site courtesy of the US Dep. of Education. Go to http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/hobsonjobson/ Of course there is also the two volume Glossario Luso-Asiatico by Sebastiao Rodolfo Dalgado. 1919. For availability see http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/-812060427/used/Glossario%20Luso-Asiatico%202%20Vols -Original Message- From: Carvalho Could it possibly have been a Muslim influence that led Goan men to adopt a cabaia? Would appreciate your input on this.
[Goanet] The 'OTHER' Ashley Tellis, Washington.
A Bombay native/Xaverite, Mangalore born parents, formerly professor of Business Administration at the Jesuit Fairfield University in Connecticut. Now a Resident Fellow at the Rand Institute, he was a special assistant, briefly, to the then US ambassador to India. eric. Subject: [Goanet] Why I can't join the party? (Ashley Tellis, The Hindu) To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 12:49 PM http://bit.ly/QdhKB THE HINDU Why I can't join the party? ASHLEY TELLIS As a same-sex rights activist, I am expected to be thrilled about the re
Re: [Goanet] Foreigners buying land in Goa and all that
VENITA COELHO 'Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.' (ENDS) COMMENT : The 40 ants loves to eat paper(money). The ants,in short, live on dead, one which does not have soul. MARIO GOVEA When a foreigner invests in another country it is a sign of respect for that country, is it not, and a sign of confidence in it as well? Why else would they risk their money? COMMENT : Is it also not true that Human attitude desires is ALWAYS to have something which they do not have. For example, Tired of cold, rain, gloomy weather they look for sunshine; Tired of wearing too many clothing to stay warm, they come to a place called GOA where they can be naked; cannot own even a room appartment with the pounds/dollars/euros/rubbles they have in their own country that they then come to buy the villa and even the village(morjem). Lets see just one of the DOMESTIC side views :- the 40 thieves have never seen pound/dollars/euros/rubbles so they sell LAND which was preserved by our grandparents for us and accumulate these currencies and i) when they fall sick they go to the same countries and pay it back for treatment, ii) use this money to send their children to pursue education to other countries, and their children do not return iii)migrate and end up loosing in stocks/recession. Silly or wise? FREDDY These are our battles, we have to fight them and that’s the naked truth COMMENT : Harvest is rich, Labourers are few. CARMEN MIRANDA We also need to make sure the miners follow the laws of the country and rehabilitate the land they destroyed (that is the law that no one respects). COMMENT: This gave birth to “ORDINANCE 2009”. THE LAW OF GOA, FOR THE GOANS, CHANGEABLE AS PER WHIMPS AND FANCIES OF THE GOVT, NOT TO SUIT THE PUBLIC(PEOPLE, AAM ADMI) , BUT FOR PRIVATE( INDIVIDUALS-KHAAS ADMI) _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009
Re: [Goanet] Canecos
2009/7/13 Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Thank you Monica, That puts in in perspective. So it's origin could be Canarim, afterall, as someone had suggested earlier. This is why I love Goanet! Best, Selma RESPONSE: I have to go with Bernardo'sempty vessels make the most sound! Since it was meant to be derogatory. We have on this site one who makes the most sound, no prizes for guessing, yes, no? The only voice of truth reason and blah blah blahlike Air India hostess coming in from Singapore in the mid '60's - did they ride the Eastern monsoons, on a dhow? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Canecos
Hi Monica, Thanks for the explanations. I remember those jars (sort of like a cask if I am not mistaken), having seen them as a child. I should think of making an installation with such pieces and drawings. Or for that matter other Goan artists too. venantius j pinto From: Monica Reis monicaer...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Canecos For the first time I have to say some words in this group. As an expression, *cum caneco (com um caneco)* can be used to express verbal attitude to a sudden event or felling, perhaps equal to the expression used in English I'll be dammed Curiosity: Canarim can also be used in Brazil to describe a a tall man with long legs! Hope I was clear -- M?nica Reis ?? Indo-Portuguese Art Research Project
[Goanet] Daily Grook #466
DAILY GROOK #466 ___ BIKE PSYCH ___ by Francis Rodrigues the 'tour-de-france' fight's not physical, in the eyes of lance it is cycle logical! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com _ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357
[Goanet] Various issues in Goa
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:01:41 +0530 From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in If we have all these problems DO NOT BLAME ON MIGRANT WORKERS, blame on our Goans, who are selling their houses, land and moving into apartments. Why for a few bucks more. Mario observes: Ana Maria, I find these sly judgments of the very personal financial decisions of others fascinating, even by someone as wise as you. BTW, how do you know that these Goans are selling their lands and moving into apartments for a few bucks more. Or is this one of the things everyone knows??? Ana Maria wrote: Another menance we have, nobody stops at the zebra crossing, so we are resorted to jay walking. If we don't do that we can never cross a street in Panjim. Mario observes: No one cares for anyone else on India's teeming streets, not just in Goa. I drive in Goa, Mumbai, Pune and MP and it is the same everywhere. Indians turn into raving maniacs the minute they start their engines, then miraculously return to sanity the minute they park their vehicles. Ana Maria wrote: In front of my flat, when I stand on the balcony can see 4 casinos, two are near Malim. Very close to my place a jetty is coming up for one of the casinos. Do you think there wll be parking space. The owner who sold the land to the casino owner is a Goan. Mario responds: Fantastic. Imagine how many new jobs and tax revenues will result. If they don't provide parking, won't the new businesses suffer? Ana Maria wrote: Please fellow Goans who live abroad, do not criticize goa too much. If you feel Goa needs to change, please come down and I'm sure help will be given to you in all fields. Mario responds: Ana Maria, we all try to help Goa in our own ways. There are good reasons why some of us live abroad, many of us for a few bucks more. I hope you don't mind. I do my best to put some money into Goa's economy once a year and then leave it up to those who live there to do their part. I just wish they would elect honest politicians, even though I benefit personally from having Babush live a few yards down the road from me in Miramar.
[Goanet] Goa's abysmal performance in Lusofonia Games
Dear Bernado, I have often wondered why on many teams the goalkeeper appears to be the better player. And on many strong teams also one of the older players. Dino Zoff of Italy comes to mind, and in that World Cup also the Irish goalkeeper. venantius From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Goa's abysmal performance in Lusofonia Games The 2nd Lusofonia games in Lisboa... The only good thing was that they kicked the ball all over the place when attacked by the opposition in other words there were 8 defenders plus the goalkeeper (probably? was the best player for the Goa team).
[Goanet] CAN DO'S - SAVE BEAUTIFUL GOA ITS PRIZED/UNIQUE GOAN IDENTITY
Time is running out; Goa is slowly losing its Prized Unique Identity and the critical issues include: (1) Mining (2) Mega Projects (3) Un-Controlled Migrant Influx (4) Large scale land sales to outsiders including foreigners (Includes a lot of land that is illegally converted), (5) The Slow death of Konkani, (6) Destruction of Environment/Ecology (7) Land/Water Contamination (8) Faulty Employment policy forcing Goans to leave Goa, (9) Illiterate/Corrupt MLA's in many key ministries of the Goa Government etc In my view, Goans have three choices: (1) Give up on Goa, Do nothing and let Goa its Identity be lost forever, (2) Discuss what we cannot do; which might as well mean giving up and doing nothing. (3) DISCUSS/AGREE WHAT *WE CAN DO* TO SAVE PRESERVE, OUR BEAUTIFUL GOA ITS PRIZED/UNIQUE GOAN IDENTITY Arwin Mesquita
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Inquisition, a beating stick?
The Inquisition, a beating stick? DEVIL's ADVOCATE/Frederick Noronha There's no point getting defensive about the realities of the past. But what happens if these 'realities' are not quite accurate, and, in fact, based on a whole lot of myth? Goans have long debated the Inquisition. Once again, a debate broke out in cyberspace about this very aspect of Goa's past, and, as usual, brought up a whole lot of defensive responses, and accusations. I've long wondered over the identity and ideology of a small set of people who have shaped the globe's understanding of the Goa Inquisition. Recently, because of such recurrent debates, one ran into more critical views[1] that challenges our traditional understanding of the Inquisition. This only made one more puzzled. About Anant Kakba Priolkar, it is a bit of a puzzle to understand the man and his ideas. It was he who played the most important role -- at least in the sub-continent -- in shaping our understanding of the Inquisition. Priolkar wrote around the 1960s, quite some time ago, and often in Marathi. I wish I had been more fluent in that language! Priolkar's book The Goa Inquisition: The Terrible Tribunal for the East was published in 1961, and printed at the Bombay University Press (Fort, Bombay). It was reprinted in Goa this year. In between, the Hindutva-oriented Delhi-based Voice of India press also published a second impression in 1991. To look at the VoI's ideology, google for a list of books published by it, or check the Geocities page here [2] Historian Dr Teotonio R de Souza writes: A.K. Priolkar was a Bombay-based Goan Saraswat Brahmin who produced literary output as linguist and historian in the 1960s. His research served to buttress pro-Marathi and pro-Hindu interests. he emphasized the excesses of [the] Inquisition and the cultural backwardness of Goan Christians and their Conkani 'dialect'. He reserved to Marathi the distinction of being the true literary and cultural language of Goa I wish to classify this type of writings as Priolkar-Angle literature. [3] One may not agree with some of the categorisations above, but there's hint enough about the interest-groups who give current-day fuel to the Inquisition flames. (The Angle being referred to is Prabhakar Angle, another writer who didn't mince his words and spoke out his feelings on a number of issues, from economics to culture and inter-community relations.) In his book, Priolkar relies heavily on the accounts of Buchanan and Dellon, the latter who was caught up in the Inquisition. Who were these persons, really? Dig a little and one finds that Claudius Buchanan (1766-1815) was a Scottish theologian, an ordained minister of the Church of England, and an extremely 'low church' missionary for the Church Missionary Society. [4] Nothing wrong with that, of course, as every man has the right to hold his religious preferences. But for more interesting insights, you need to go here [5]. Keep reading around these pages, as it's not easy to capture the essence of a book in a few cut-and-paste paragraphs here. Buchanan apparently had a problem with anything that didn't fit in with his own views on religion. We learn, among other things, that Buchanan resorted to a simple juxtaposition to demonstrate the superiority of rational Christian life to a morally repugnant Hindu culture. Christianity and Hinduism were [to him] inverse reflections of one another, but Christianity had demonstrated its effects and the civilizing power to overcome all the crimes and superstitions that tormented India. His encounters while touring India are interesting too. He meets native Syrian Christian communities along southwestern India's coast, who trace their lineage to a legendary first-century visit by Jesus' own apostle, Thomas. Buchanan wanted to see the Syrian branch transplanted on the Church of England. He visits Roman Catholic populations in the south, and is shocked to find priests better acquainted with the Veda of Brahma than with the Gospel of Christ. His encounter with the Inquisition is described from page 91 onwards of the book Was Hinduism invented? [5] by Brian Kemble Pennington. As Priolkar mentions, he visited Goa at the time when British troops were stationed here. (Or, in Priolkar's words, The forts in the harbour of Goa, were then occupied by British troops [two King's regiments, and two regiments of Native infrantry] to prevent its falling into the hands of the French.) Author Brian Kemble Pennington says Buchanan's resulting account of Catholicism in India included not only clerical abuse, empty ritual, moral laxity, and papal tyranny, but even a hint of human sacrifice. Interestingly, Buchanan was not less indignant at the Inquisition of Goa, than I had been with the temple of Juggernaut (sic) These are fine individuals through whose eyes we rely on to understand our past (or to play political
