[Goanet] Daily Grook #688
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[Goanet] Congress want Mumbai to come to standstill.
The way discussion went in Lok Sabha to day Tuesday 4th May 2010 it look like Congress want Mumbai to be paralyzed. The issue was raised on Friday and Central Govt. and Railway Minister are aware of the situation and Strike notice. Main issue as said by Sanjay Nirupam is Motarman want that they should be given overtime if the duty hours exceeded beyond stipulated time of 6/8 hours. As many of them work for almost 12 to 18 hours some times on a particular day. As every one concerned were aware of this issue, State Govt. nor Railway Authority has taken any steps for last few days. Implementing ESMA may jeopardize the situation. Shrikant Vinayak Barve
[Goanet] Journocide: From Stray Thoughts, Goan Observer, May 1-7, 2010.
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com Augusto writes: AND a few stray thoughts on Frederick Noronha, who besides being a compulsive inter-nutter is also in charge of the editorial page of the Herald and writes the editorials in the Herald. Though of course he is not legally responsible for any of the editorials he writes because it is Ashwin Tombat, who is on long leave, who is responsible for the content of the paper under the Press Registration Act. Frederick Noronha widely publicised the release of the book on tiatr, When the curtain rises, in the editorial page of the Herald in his capacity as the unofficial in charge of the editorial page. Never mind that he, by his own admission, worked closely with the author and is the publisher of the book. RICO DOUBLESPEAK AT the release function, several tiatrists were agitated over the fact that someone calling himself JoeGoaUK on the internet has been posting Konkani CDs and snippets of tiatrs on the internet, apparently without any permission from either the tiatrists or those who have brought the CDs. Which is clearly a violation of copyright laws. But Fredrick Noronha, in a signed edit-page article in the Herald issue dated April 28, 2010 has rushed to the defence of JoeGoaUK claiming that Joe's photographs and videos are motivated by the desire to make the work of Goan artists more visible globally. Never mind that JoeGoaUK insists on being anonymous, so nobody can even sue him. Which is the crux of the issue. We have no problems with comments or criticism, even if they are often vicious. But let those who make these postings identify themselves and accept accountability. I have myself been the victim of extremely nasty postings on the internet. But when a proposal came up for taking legal action against the blog called penpricks, I objected saying that it would be unfair to do this because we must be willing to accept criticism. The difference between the internet and the print media is that there is no accountability on the internet. On the other hand, if I make any allegations against Frederick Noronha or anyone else in the print media I am liable to be hauled up for defamation. I have always accepted responsibility for all my views unlike Fredrick Noronha who has most of the time sought to make insinuations against people under the cowardly mask of anonymity. I believe that there should be a regulator to ensure that people do not make anonymous irresponsible comments on the internet. I was under the impression that by posting Konkani CDs and snippets of tiatrs on the internet, was intended to boost sales and not otherwise. It was always the practice to show 'trailers' of comming movies in the movie theatres, the intention was to promote and not to hurt the ticket sale. As long as the CDs are not downloadable, there should be no problem, or is there? My comments: About 'Standoff. tiatr today. The latest reference material used for the book named:'Standoff to the curtain: challenges facing the tiatr today' dates way back to 2003. When I brought this to the attention of the author, Rafael, he responded that The situation is worse now.The Tiatr Academy hopes to remedy it through one of the schemes that would substantially support/ encourage a tiatr by a 'village' [waddo]. I do not know how far this is true. But it is our tendency to speak against anyone who simply wants to do something good, spend time and effort etc in doing it. I have gained much from the contribution of these gentlemen refered by Augusto. And I feel they have all the good intentions, nothing more. FOR TORONTO KONKANIS: DUKH From the Director of the highly acclaimed tiatr ADEUS comes another masterpiece DUKH written Directed by 'Jr. Menezes' and Produced by James Fernandes' on Saturday, June 19th, 2010 at 2.30 pm at Michael Power Auditorium, Toronto. For information please contact Olavio Da Costa at 905-803-0371, Winnie Crasto at 905-890-2725 or Lourdino Rodrigues at 416-244-7923 BOOK EARLY. Regards MD.
[Goanet] Deccan Herald interview
Dear Teo, Thanks for admitting to a very poor article / your interview in the Deccan Herald. You have ducked the issue; which is the link and relation of SFX with the Inquisition; which was made in the interview by you and the interviewer. Below, you make a good point about the criminal justice system in England at the time when the Iberians had Inquisition. This is an important point. Perhaps you and others should do a bit of comparative reading of the practices of the justice systems of the period, starting with reading the Goanet archives. One will find a lot of sordid events in the Tower of London and other British castles which are full of accounts of arbitrary and brutal punishments including immersion in hot oil, beheading of enemies or perceived enemies of the state and / or the king. As I have written about this (comparative criminal justice during the period) on Goanet, I will not repeat it. The archives will also show the state of prisons and punishment during the same period in India - both Muslim and Hindu kingdoms. I would appreciate if future interviews and write-ups on the Inquisition by you and other writers provided this background. Thanks for reminding us of this valid point We cannot repeatedly blame others for THEIR misrepresentations or not appreciating the authors' bias. This issue regarding you has come up on Goanet in the past. At some point we have to take responsibility for our slant and / or phraseology. Many Goans, me included, have great respect for you, and yet find your bias bordering on misrepresentations. And MANY have told you so directly and on the net. Regards, GL TRS wrote: Non sequitur. Would Gilbert replace the deficiencies of modern judicial systems with Inquisition? Did UK have no justice at the time when the Iberians had Inquisition? I do not fancy Gilbert's funny suggestion that I should prefix ex-priest / jesuit for everything I write. It is the duty of critical readers to find out who the writer is and his antecedents. - GL wrote: I am aware of the current brutality of the criminal justice system in USA with police abuse, false victims etc etc. So I do campaign for doing away with America's criminal justice system; even for legitimate cases? And replace the criminal justice system with what? - GL wrote: So Teo finds rational for the Inquisition in his thread; but in the interview severely critics SFX for thinking along similar lines. No where in the article was it mentioned that the inquisition was introduced to Goa more than 17 years AFTER SFX left Goa; and 8 years AFTER HE DIED. So to link the abuses of the inquisition to SFX is an outrage that Teo, the reporter Devika Sequeira and the newspaper editor (all Goans) should be ashamed off.
[Goanet] SFX Inquisition. . .Gilbert Teotonio:
Might I venture an opinion, after some fairly extensive reading occasioned by an editing job I was asked to do involving historical writing: The link between Xavier's encouragement of inquisitorial policy in India and the time of his departure and eventual demise may be quite unaffected by the time dimension. Xavier was basically an Administrator (Provincial Superior) in Goa, and his recommendations (right down to his marginal notes) would have been been the signposts for decision-makers in Rome, Lisbon and Goa for at least half a century after his death. I think that Xavier earned his spurs as a Missionary for his work with the 'pearl divers'. He probably despised the Goa 'desk work', and was gone 'beyond the horizon' at every possible opportunity. I should say he was mistaken in his somewhat jaundiced view of Indian Culture, and in his greater appreciation of Japanese; but he was acting under the prevailing zeitgeist of his time. Making a saint of him did not confer infallibility, or even 'objectivity'---but despite all that he was still a very great person. In respect to the work of Dr. Theotonio De Souza, he has fully demonstrated his committment to objective thinking in the historical context. I think that he is doing the right thing in his careful analysis of very complex processes, now in danger of being enveloped in the mists of time. But we must not expect infallibility or total objectivity from him either. He has a difficult job to do, and he's doing it as best he can.
Re: [Goanet] From Pop to Yoga - Editorial Herald [ May 3, 2010] - Comments
From pop to yoga Pop stars and Yoga gurus have their own formula. About a fortnight ago, Goa's most popular entertainer for over a generation, architect Remo Fernandes suggested at Margao that Goa's politicians need to be dumped if the State is to be saved. Speaking at a news conference in Panjim, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev went further. He sought the death penalty for the corrupt. Every one, even politicians and officials, will agree that corruption is perhaps India's (and, by extension, Goa's) most severe problem of our times. By the very leakages it causes, it emasculates development, squeezes the poor, and distorts our priorities big-time. In addition, it demoralises the honest, and warps our political process, besides effectively bringing the worst to the top. But is the Remo and Ramdev approach right? Our controversial politicians (most of the 'winners') and officialdom (there are some honest officials, but it becomes tough to survive) are not born bereft of the honesty gene. We need to ask ourselves what makes them turn out that way, and, more importantly, whether we too would behave like them if we occupied their very place. Something is drastically wrong with a system that places profit before people, corruption ahead of crusades, and prefers dishonesty to do-goodism. In part, the lack of inner-party democracy in most of our political institutions is also to blame. So is the belief that we can take on a legal and other infrastructure built with a colonial intent, and run a democracy with it. Recent times have seen attempts to clean-up the system. Right to Information Acts are a clear recognition that things have gone too far, and governance needs to be both accountable and kept in check. Both Goa, since 1997, and entire India, since 2005, have had such laws. But in Goa's case itself, we have seen how the law was short-circuited over time, regardless of which party ruled Goa, Congress or BJP. Much more needs to be done on this front. A laid-back citizenry, a scheming officialdom and interfering politicians is not a good-enough combination, and can together distort the functioning of the best of such laws. Besides keeping governance transparent, what is needed is for politicians to be accountable for every decision they take, or even influence. The 'oral orders' syndrome needs to be checked. Rather than just changing the faces-or the necks (if the take the hang them suggestion seriously) -- of those involved in corruption, what we really need is systemic changes that work for the citizen. In Goa's case, merely asking for 'special status' is not enough. We need to first decide what is needed-perhaps development that benefits the citizen, and doesn't harm the ecology-and then find the ways of reaching there. Labour dignity One unusual message that came up on Labour Day weekend this year was by way of an advertisement in the local media. It read: Let's strive to work together with a healthy respect for all kinds of work. Indeed. Many of Goa's woes stem from the shyness, or reluctance, to take on demeaning work. Some kind of work is seen to be below the dignity, specially to us Goans; the dirty-work is best left to the migrant poor. Strangely, when the out-migration virus gets into us, we are willing to take on any kind of job overseas. Is it because nobody knows us there, and our misplaced sense of shame vanishes? Or is it because the payment levels are simply better? Talking about which, it would certainly help if work which was seen as traditionally demeaning drew better payment rates. Secondly, jobs which call for a lot of physical labour could be made less demanding on the worker; if we complain of an acute lack of coconut-pluckers these days, why hasn't our society been investing more in say equipment that makes climbing the tree easier and safer? Lastly, we need a change in mental attitudes; no more are we living in semi-feudal times, where certain jobs were pushed onto the weaker sections; to ensure that low caste and poor-paying work doesn't go hand in hand, skills upgradation and wider access to education is a must. COMMENTS: Every second person who is genuinely hurt by the way we are governed in India, more specifically in GOA, likes to take pot shots at politicians and the way they govern as if this breed will take heed and mend their ways. They say, and it is true, that the skins of politicians will put to shame the elephants, so thick they are. Power gets to a person's head once elected and they believe that they can do anything and everything, above or below the table when they rule the roost. This editorial has actually taken pot shots at both the Pop Star and the Yoga Guru. It is very easy to say Drown all politicians in the sea. Two things happen. (1) You are hitting the sensitive spots in the people who are hurting inside and gain their sympathy, and (2) You are in the lime-light again for being bold to say
[Goanet] Kargil 4th May_movie enactment
Kargil 4th May http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7e7EFY0gQsNR=1 1999 venantius
[Goanet] Eroding Goan Coastline
http://www.navhindtimes.in/opinion/erosion-goa-s-coastline Eroding Goan Coastline Science says that our universe was caused by an eruption of great magnitude in the solar system and this has been so far universally accepted, since then our planet has gone through the changes of evolution, from the first, one cell protozoa to the complex human being of today. As the evolution process went on, the face of this planet also changed, as evolution was the cause of life on earth, there were different factors that contributed to the changing face of this earth. The major factors being erosion by sea and wind, eruption of volcanoes and the changes in weather, heat, cold and storms. All these factors where natural occurrences. Till then all was going according to natures plan. Today man has become so obsessed with his ingenuity that he fails to see beyond the tip of his own nose, man's greed has so overwhelmed his senses that he is become the victim of his own gluttony. Man in his infinite wisdom has failed to perceive the doom that awaits him. We have been reading a lot about global worming and the rising water levels, but still fail to fathom the magnanimity of the issue. It is man the ultimate and the most superior creation of God and nature that is responsible for all the evil that has besieged planet earth. The green revolutionaries and the environmentalists have been upping the ante but to no avail, toxic emissions are the order of the day, increasing it's deadly density by the hour, disappearance of forests world wide have further contributed to the agony. Man is only looking for answers without trying to stop contributing to the destructive cause. Very soon man will be fighting for his very own survival, with his back to the wall. Goa a very small entity, though a mere speck on the world front, has been contributing unabashed to the degradation of our nature and our environment in a profound manner. Goa's once proud green forests are fast disappearing, hill cutting is rampant, excessive, illegal and open cast mining is thriving, mining rejects and dust silting our river beds, polluting the river and threatening it's natural flow of water. Although alarm bell have been sounded by various organizations our Government and our bureaucracy seem to have gone deaf, dumb and blind. All of a sudden today, the Goa Government has got up from it's Kumbkaran sleep and is worried about the erosion of Goa's coastline, although more erosion has been caused by the man-made factors rather than by the natural phenomena's. Today Goa is on the brink of an environmental disaster due to it's excessive and open cast mining, hill cutting and land filling which have been intensified inexorably and due to the silting of our river beds, but our Government has shown no desire to act against the destructive forces but rather encouraged the destruction by it's lackluster attitude towards the environment. The CRZ has been active for a very long time and has been the cause of sleepless nights for a lot of coastal Goans. The Government has done it's best to curb the freedom of coastal Goans in order to facilitate the billion dollar hotel industry. After a couple of decades after the CRZ notification the Government has now realized the fact about Goa's eroding coastline. All this while the Government was busy in finding ways and means to expand the Tourism industry without ever trying to preserve it's most valuable asset, the coastline. Coastlines have been eroding from time immemorial, this phenomena is not new, whereas most countries have been protecting their coastline, our government has not only failed to protect but helped to erode it further. Year after year we have been hearing of the same old stories about washed up and eroded beaches and waterfronts during the rainy seasons. Last year itself there were pictures of the heavy erosion of the Betalbatim and a couple of other beaches. These were just a few places but there have been many other places that have been hit even worse. What exactly has our Government done to prevent it's reoccurrence this rainy season ? Or will coastal Goans have to go through the same acrimony and risk to human life, this rainy season too ? Goa government has approached the centre with a begging bowl for funds to protect our coastline at the twelfth hour. Why did the Goa Government not show any interest to this major issue during the last ten months ? Our tax payers money should be judiciously used in the protection, preservation and development of our beautiful beaches and our coastline and not spent on our high flying Ministers and their vulgar, ostentatious lifestyles and their fancies. The dividends of a good tourism policy are invariably very high, and our Government has to tap the recourses that attract tourism in the first place. Preservation and protection of our beaches and our coastline should be a priority of the Goa Government. Goa being blessed with a
[Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
I've always been a fan of Goan Observer, the magazine and yes, also of Rajan Narayan, despite what one hears of him in Goa. But this week, I am inclined to change my opinion for this is what he wrote in the editorial page of Goan Observer. Fredrick Noronha used the editorial page of the Herald to defend himself and other inter-nutters for violating copyright laws Maybe Rajan Narayan should get to know the people he accuses of being inter-nutters for JoeGoaUK is hardly a nutter. I understand Frederick Noronha and Rajan Narayan share a long history but in Rajan's haste to take pot-shots at Frederick, it is sad he didn't care if he had collateral damage. Before he accuses people of copyright law infringement, he should shore up on what copyright infringement is. And what about these tiatrists who are all bent out of shape about JoeGoaUK giving them some free publicity. There was a time when anyone could hear their songs on the radio and even record them for free on small cassette records if they liked them. They could make copies of this recording if they wished and send it abroad to their friends and relatives who didn't get to hear Konkani music where they lived. Those were the days before our tiatrists got to hear about copyright and CDs and putting commercial interests ahead of their artistic integrity. Those carefree days are gone now and we are so eager to accuse people of stealing from us, even people who are only trying to help us. Shame on us Goans. We are so good at writing obituaries when someone dies but while someone is alive, all we can think of is, defaming them, criticising them and stabbing them in the back. If I read one more glowing obituary written about some great Goan, I will know only one thing. That while he lived, no doubt he endured nothing but ridicule. best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Deccan Herald interview
Hi Dan, Thanks for corroborating that there is no evidence of SFX directly responsible / caused the Inquisition to be brought to Goa. The decision to introduce the Inquisition to Goa in 1560 was made by the king in Lisboa, long after SFX left Goa and died. As Teo rightly claims (see below) Inquisition was essentially a political institution for disciplining all colonial subjects. If SFX insisted on the Inquisition, he would have stayed in Goa in colonial comfort, and spent his career lobbying for the Inquisition. Yet, SFX moved on to more important things. In fact if the Inquisition was SFX's idea, that thought would / should have died with him. You are claiming that really it was 'devoted associates' of Xavier and Ignatius in Rome and Lisboa that lobbied for the Inquisition in Goa. To the best of my knowledge neither of these two men had much of a following in Lisboa pre-1560. And why would Rome want Inquisition in Goa? (see Teo's reason for the Inquisition) No one really cares for what you suspect. Please post the hard evidence to support your hypothesis. This includes names of individuals and their associations with SFX on one hand and Lisboa on the other. Or else what you write may be an example of English hubris and speculation. BTW, looks like you are English / Irish. What did the English and Scottish kings do / use to discipline their subjects during similar period? And did Rome, Xavier and / or Ignatius have any influence of what went on in England? Thanks in anticipation and I look forward to the valuable information which you are going to provide us. Regards, GL --- DAN DRISCOLL I would say that the relationship between implementation of the inquisitiorial policy in the Region and the dating of Xavier's departure and eventual death need not at all negate his influence in the matter. I suspect that very little of any decision-making that came out of Rome and Lisboa for up to half a century after Xavier's passing would have been without heavy reliance on his judgement. Xavier and Ignatius were like two blood brothers. -- TRS wrote The Inquisition was not a religious institution, but essentially a political institution for disciplining all colonial subjects.
Re: [Goanet] Deccan Herald interview
Thanks, at least for noticing. I'm no academic, so do not want to be a nuisance. I feel that this forum can admit of simple lay persons impressions, not necessarily scientific documentation. Will have no further comment. Will try to be guided and profit from your more expert opinions. On 5/4/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks for corroborating that there is no evidence of SFX directly responsible / caused the Inquisition to be brought to Goa. The decision to introduce the Inquisition to Goa in 1560 was made by the king in Lisboa, long after SFX left Goa and died. As Teo rightly claims (see below) Inquisition was essentially a political institution for disciplining all colonial subjects. If SFX insisted on the Inquisition, he would have stayed in Goa in colonial comfort, and spent his career lobbying for the Inquisition. Yet, SFX moved on to more important things. In fact if the Inquisition was SFX's idea, that thought would / should have died with him. You are claiming that really it was 'devoted associates' of Xavier and Ignatius in Rome and Lisboa that lobbied for the Inquisition in Goa. To the best of my knowledge neither of these two men had much of a following in Lisboa pre-1560. And why would Rome want Inquisition in Goa? (see Teo's reason for the Inquisition) No one really cares for what you suspect. Please post the hard evidence to support your hypothesis. This includes names of individuals and their associations with SFX on one hand and Lisboa on the other. Or else what you write may be an example of English hubris and speculation. BTW, looks like you are English / Irish. What did the English and Scottish kings do / use to discipline their subjects during similar period? And did Rome, Xavier and / or Ignatius have any influence of what went on in England? Thanks in anticipation and I look forward to the valuable information which you are going to provide us. Regards, GL --- DAN DRISCOLL I would say that the relationship between implementation of the inquisitiorial policy in the Region and the dating of Xavier's departure and eventual death need not at all negate his influence in the matter. I suspect that very little of any decision-making that came out of Rome and Lisboa for up to half a century after Xavier's passing would have been without heavy reliance on his judgement. Xavier and Ignatius were like two blood brothers. -- TRS wrote The Inquisition was not a religious institution, but essentially a political institution for disciplining all colonial subjects.
Re: [Goanet] Deccan Herald interview
The post appended below is not very intellectually honest. There is nothing in the answers provided by Teotoniobab in the interview that can be considered a misrepresentation. The only thing that is wrong with the interview as published is its inappropriate title. The burden of justifying the accusations against the historian Teotonio D'Souza rests on his accusers. So Gilbert should point out which quotes in the answers provided by Teotoniobab are biased or bordering on misrepresentations, and give us evidence as to how Gilbert knows what he says to be true. Mere assertions made by a non-historian who has simply read something somewhere cannot be taken seriously. Indeed, if we are talking about biases we also need to know the biases of Gilbert's sources. In fact, we need to know whether they are real scholarly historical sources in the first place. So tell us, what are the sources that Gilbert relies on for his knowledge of Goan history? Those of us who are interested in genuine history for its own sake are as opposed to sanitization of history as we are of its politicization and communalization. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for admitting to a very poor article / your interview in the Deccan Herald. You have ducked the issue; which is the link and relation of SFX with the Inquisition; which was made in the interview by you and the interviewer. Below, you make a good point about the criminal justice system in England at the time when the Iberians had Inquisition. This is an important point. Perhaps you and others should do a bit of comparative reading of the practices of the justice systems of the period, starting with reading the Goanet archives. One will find a lot of sordid events in the Tower of London and other British castles which are full of accounts of arbitrary and brutal punishments including immersion in hot oil, beheading of enemies or perceived enemies of the state and / or the king. As I have written about this (comparative criminal justice during the period) on Goanet, I will not repeat it. The archives will also show the state of prisons and punishment during the same period in India - both Muslim and Hindu kingdoms. I would appreciate if future interviews and write-ups on the Inquisition by you and other writers provided this background. Thanks for reminding us of this valid point We cannot repeatedly blame others for THEIR misrepresentations or not appreciating the authors' bias. This issue regarding you has come up on Goanet in the past. At some point we have to take responsibility for our slant and / or phraseology. Many Goans, me included, have great respect for you, and yet find your bias bordering on misrepresentations. And MANY have told you so directly and on the net. Regards, GL
[Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
Hi Selma dont you believe in copyright law? May be it has evolved now only, but I am told --- and correct me if I am wrong --- that whole tiatrs have been put on the internet (or rather internut) by joegoauk. If it is true, then certainly it is not right, if it is done without permission. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
Dear Selma, Why do you forget the Indian crab was invented in Goa? And, in any event, Frederick Noronha and GoaJoeUK don't need character certificates -- least of all from crawly creatures like Rajan Narayan! -- because their work speaks enough for their credentials. Regards, v - Original Message - From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:00 PM Subject: [Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK Fredrick Noronha used the editorial page of the Herald to defend himself and other inter-nutters for violating copyright laws Shame on us Goans. We are so good at writing obituaries when someone dies but while someone is alive, all we can think of is, defaming them, criticising them and stabbing them in the back. If I read one more glowing obituary written about some great Goan, I will know only one thing. That while he lived, no doubt he endured nothing but ridicule. best, selma
[Goanet] ARE 7500 VOTES BIGGER THAN RAPE OF GOA?
ARE 7500 VOTES GREATER THAN RAPE OF GOA? Remo rightly wants to dump all the 40 Goan MLAs into the sea. The corollary: Next elections we must have all new MLAs. To this, Soter D’Souza has raised a pertinent question: Will new ones be any better? Some may say “why be negative?” or “why put the cart before the horse?” But the history seems to back Soter’s worry. Why are all MLAs bad? Answer lies in the electoral win-ability theorem, which says: 0.50% of GOAN VOTERS is greater than RAPE OF WHOLE GOA The derivation: There are 40 constituencies and one-third population is children, who cannot vote. Therefore each constituency has 1.68% Goans in its voter list. On an average 60% people cast votes. Of this, winner needs to secure 35~50% votes. This means, if 0.50% Goans vote for him, he is sure to be MLA again. Some MLAs win with as low as 0.35% Goans voting for them. Thus with less than 0.50% or 7500 people of Goa voting for him, and that too once in five years, an MLA can go scot free doing anything and everything. He cares damn for remaining 14,92,500 people or 99.5% population. After Maths, let us turn to Civics. MLAs have mere legislative (Law making) function, but they usurp executive (administrative) powers. Our administrative set up is lethargic and corrupt. Work remains pending unless palms are greased. People are made to approach MLA to seek his personal intervention. MLA prevails upon administrative set-up and gets the work of the aggrieved person done. The result: the persons become his vote bank even if he rapes Goa. Next, what are MLAs actually for? Answer: To enact legislations and systems which expedite work of every citizen who may face similar hurdles in future. But, if work is done by the administrative set-up without the intervention of the MLA, then the MLA will not be able to create his vote bank. Hence all the MLAs dislike such ideas. Therefore, a possible solution to Soter’s worry could be to find out how an MLA can be prevented from interfering in administration. One such option could be: Each contestant furnishes an affidavit (deviation can disqualify him as MLA) saying that he would not interfere in administration. He will bring in solutions through legislation. He will – again through legislation - set up advanced systems in administration like deemed approvals once time limit for refusing approval lapses. Levy penalties (like under RTI Act) on government servants if they delay work beyond stipulated time etc. This way government servant is forced to complete work. Good guys like Remo may furnish the affidavit. What about others? Can Congress and BJP be pressurized (through another GBA like uprising) to make affidavit compulsory for their candidates? Can Election Commission be approached to introduce such an affidavit? Next challenge would be the modalities of enforcement in case of non-conformities. All may not happen at one go. But, when 0.50% people can jeopardize the future of 99.5% people (a much inferior version of democracy) a start to dismantle the anomaly is the need of the hour. Now, lets have a bit of Finance. Imagine the improvement in efficiency of administration when over 50,000 government employees are made to work instead of only 40 MLAs. We may require 400 or may be 4,000 IITans to match the output of 50,000 self-motivated government employees. Budget 2010-11, under the head of expenditure, entails salaries of Rs 1150 crore and pension of Rs 510 crore to be paid to government servants. Another Rs 130 crore would be spent on travel, stationery, rent etc. Capital expenditure on cars, cell phones, computers, buildings are not included. Thus, assuming Goa’s population as 15 lakhs, every person bears a cost of over Rs 12,000/- per year on government servants. The quality and quantity of services which we get from government administration fall short to justify this cost. Some MLAs bully their way to become ministers. They have executive powers to the extent of their portfolios. Innovations are needed to prevent them from playing vote bank politics. System based governance can vaporize vote bank politics. Politicians work for and yield to only two things: money and votes. Deprive them of these drugs and we could have better MPs, MLAs, Corporators and Panchas. This is easier said than done, but expressing remedies and pursuing chosen remedies must begin. Rajendra Kakodkar 9822101450
Re: [Goanet] wedding cakes-Reena-baai.
bananna Mervyn bananna. You mean Punda.worshipped by all the drunken internet posters? No connection here.The name is Pandurang-a from Pandar-pur. You won't know the difference between ghee nor Scrbrough-Ontario tap water, after a.., so never mind. I see your post-hangover paranoia is well and alive. Meow Lionel and us go a long way...long long way before you could tie your shoe laces in some dusty banana outpost! Going back to the school for cakes: Reena baai, there is the Le15, a pastry shop in Worli run by Pooja Dhingra (Cordon Blue) that regularly holds make-cake classes. Its a short rollablade ride from Dhobitalao. And the products of Goa's catering college are producing some amazing/creatively decorated cakes but not sure anyone is holding classes (other than the catering college, Porvorim). I think the inspiration should come from our Concani folk song: Aptun-Doptun goo,chaudaan tantem baajileem... -- Punda, Ghee, that is what they use in those cakes. I will send you the recipe. Some use the same to comb up their toupee. Just asking. Maybe old friend *meow* Lionel the fury tom cat that roars can investigate *meow, meow*! Yep, the moderators will take no action when, for absolutely no reason, someone attacks the contributors here. I think you will learn, or have learnt, the hard way that action only occurs when the moderators are attacked. nly occurs when the moderators are attacked. Mervyn1122Lobo
[Goanet] Goa's eroding coastline - Freddy Fernandes
On a recent trip to Anjuna beach I was appalled to see the erosion. This is along the rocky waterfront when one goes straight along the road from Starco. A few years ago, I'd walk to the beach along the steep pathway to the left of which there was a another nice patch of beach area. As kids, we collected shells and pebbles from there. This beach does not exist anymore. The huge waves are hitting the cliff fiercely and the land is getting eroded very fast - one can actually see the gradual dip towards the sea. God help us is all I can say. Bernice Pereira
Re: [Goanet] ARE 7500 VOTES BIGGER THAN RAPE OF GOA?
Excellent indeed. Mr. Rajendra Kakodkar, Sir, Have you, by any chance, gone thro' Goa Su-Raj Party's Constitution and its Road Map? If you have not, then please go thro' it. It will look to you that somebody with your duplicate brains has written it. BTW: The drugs [money and votes] that you are talking about are easily denied to the Goa Su-Raj MLAs. (1) No Second Term systemic internal procedures of the party denies him his vote bank. How? Why should he cultivate a vote bank and try to bend the strict procedures/rules of the party and be probably/certainly penalized when he cannot contest again if the President of the CWC (incumbent is the candidate) refuses to give him the second term? [He cannot be the President of the CWC because of the No Dual Posts constitutional ban] (2) Co-Ordinated Cabinet mean for an example: Present Union Telecom Minister Raja of the DMK in the Congress coalition at the center would not be deciding the undersell of 3G to his corporate friends and make a lot of money between themselves including himself. Here the cabinet would take the final decision, therefore no skeletons in the cubboards. Now for the pertinent question: When are you filling-up the membership form of the Goa Su-Raj Party? Why? The answer is simple. Which other party will accept you with the kind of mind you have Cheers floriano from PPS to PPS 9890470896 ww.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: rajendra kakodkar rskakod...@yahoo.co.in To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:02 PM Subject: [Goanet] ARE 7500 VOTES BIGGER THAN RAPE OF GOA? ARE 7500 VOTES GREATER THAN RAPE OF GOA? Remo rightly wants to dump all the 40 Goan MLAs into the sea. The corollary: Next elections we must have all new MLAs. To this, Soter D’Souza has raised a pertinent question: Will new ones be any better? Some may say “why be negative?” or “why put the cart before the horse?” But the history seems to back Soter’s worry. Why are all MLAs bad? Answer lies in the electoral win-ability theorem, which says: 0.50% of GOAN VOTERS is greater than RAPE OF WHOLE GOA
[Goanet] Ageis starts BPO operations in Kashmir
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/outsourcing/Aegis-starts-BPO-ops-in-Kashmir/articleshow/5890110.cms Very interesting. The question is : has the land been sold to the company or is it just on rent ? regards, Samir
[Goanet] Is Panchayat Report Card aimed at Hoodwinking GBA?
Dear Mauricio, 1) How can Panchas be different than MLAs? Are not most Panchas chamchas of the local MLAs? How many Panchas understand Panchayat Act? 2) Timing of assessment by Directorate of Panchayat raises eye-brows. This report was released after GBA gave the CM an ultimatum on three crital points. One of which is to incorporate the provisions under the 73rd and 74th amendments into the TCP Act. Is the CM, by pointing out that panchas are worse, trying to hoodwink GBA to dilute its stand? Rajendra Kakodkar Mauricio Pereira wrote THE RESULTS of the assessment conducted by the Directorate of Panchayats for the year 2009-10 is likely to be a big disappointment for those who swear by the 73rd and 74th amendment to the Constitution and wax eloquent about decentralised planning. The presumption being that Panchayats and civic bodies are less corrupt than the government of Goa and the Minister for Town and Country Planning. Directorate of Panchayats reveals that only one of the 180 panchayats, Mencurem-Dhumacen, had no complaints of illegal construction. The Directorate of Panchayats, in its assessment of the functioning of panchayats in the state, has provided for negative marks for panchayats against whom there are complaints of encouraging illegal construction. Panchayats which have one to twenty complaints of illegal construction get one negative mark; those against whom there are 21 to 40 complaints receive two negative marks; those against whom there are 41 to 60 complaints get three negative marks and panchayats which have 50 or more complaints of illegal construction get four negative marks. The extent of illegal constructions encouraged aided and abetted by the panchayats is dramatised by the fact that the 180 panchayats taken together have 1106 negative marks.
[Goanet] Rajdeep Sardesai's open letter to Mr Uddhav Thakeray - Letter to Mr. Shiv Sainik by a 'Stupid Common Man' - COMMENTS
Above is available at 'Comments on newsreports Section' of www.goasu-raj.org Cheers floriano from PPS to PPs 9890470896 www.gaosu-raj.org
[Goanet] Saby, smile please!
If a picture is worth a thousand words, Mumbai Mirror photographer Sebastian D’Souza deserves a Booker. Saby, as he is known among Mumbai’s journalists, had risked his life to click Pakistani terrorists Ajmal Qasab and Abu Ismail as they went on a killing spree at the CST Station on November 26, 2008. On Monday, Special Judge M L Tahaliyani described Saby’s pictures as ‘crucial evidence’ and him as one of the best witnesses as he held Qasab guilty of murder, criminal conspiracy and waging a war against Indiahttp://cms.mumbaimirror.com/ads.aspx?adid=4 . Abu Ismail was killed the same night in a skirmish with the police at Girgaum Chawpatty. Qasab was captured alive. Nineteen of Saby’s exclusive photographs shot on his Nikon D-200 digital SLR camera turned out to be clinching ‘documentary evidence’ for the prosecution. Nineteen of Sebastian’s photographs turned out to be clinching evidence The images told the entire gory tale of that night - brave but poorly equipped GRP personnel trying to take on the terrorists; a book shop owner collapsing after being shot; a series of shots of Qasab swaggering across the station, an automatic in his hand and bulky bag slung on his shoulder; and pictures of the bloody aftermath, a station littered with bodies. The photographic evidence was duly corroborated by Saby’s unflinching testimony against Qasab. The pictures have since become the face of 26/11 tragedy and have been used across innumerable newspapers, magazines and television channels, both national and international. The baby-faced terrorist had tried his best to discredit Saby. At one point, he described the photographer as an agent of the Indian government. “Woh government ke saath mila tha (He was hand-in-glove with the government),” Qasab had said when confronted with Saby’s pictures. The special court on Monday, however, held Saby to be one of ‘the best witnesses’ in the case and appreciated his contribution in building a case against Qasab. “Other witnesses may have had a glimpse of Qasab, but D’Souza, Sriram Vernekar (Times of Indiahttp://cms.mumbaimirror.com/ads.aspx?adid=4photographer who too got a picture of Qasab on the CST foot overbridge) and Madhukar Zende (the railway announcer who alerted the commuters of the terror strike) got a very clear look at him. They are the best witnesses in the case,” the judge said. *The positions taken by D’Souza and how he went from one end of the station to the other to track Qasab and capture images have been duly considered while accepting D’Souza’s crucial evidence - M L Tahaliyani* Highlighting the fact that Saby courageously followed Qasab and Ismail inside CST station, Tahaliyani said the Mirror photo editor took various positions to click the terrorist duo. “The positions taken by D’Souza and how he went from one end of the station to the other to track Qasab and capture images have been duly considered while accepting D’Souza’s crucial evidence,” he said. On hearing the sound of firing inside CST that night, Saby had rushed from the Mumbai Mirror office at the Times of Indiahttp://cms.mumbaimirror.com/ads.aspx?adid=4building opposite the heritage railway station and entered platform no 1 from a small side-entrance. Unaware of what lay ahead, Saby walked up to platform no 6 and followed the sound of the firing, all the while shooting pictures of the duels between the cops and the terrorists. On June 15, when Saby deposed against Qasab and identified him as the ‘short guy’ of the three sitting in the dock, the photographer with an ever-smiling face had said chuckling, “How can I forget him? He made me famous.” http://www.mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?page=articlesectid=2contentid=20100504201005040237328583a992712
[Goanet] Anger........
All evil qualities and actions proceed from anger. If you can eradicate anger, all bad qualities will die by themselves. Anger begets eight kinds of vices: injustice, rashness, persecution, jealousy, taking possession of others’ property, killing, harsh words and cruelty. When a man’s desire is not gratified and when one stands in the way of its fulfillment, the man becomes angry. The desire gets transmuted into anger. When one is under the sway of anger, he will commit all sorts of sinful deeds. He loses his memory; his understanding becomes clouded; and his intellect gets perverted. Gina Ferns
Re: [Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
[1] Samir Kelekar wrote: Hi Selma, dont you believe in copyright law? I am told (...)that whole tiatrs have been put on the internet by joegoauk. If it is true, then certainly it is not right, if it is done without permission. [2] Valmiki Faleiro wrote: Dear Selma, Why do you forget the Indian crab was invented in Goa? And, in any event, Frederick Noronha and GoaJoeUK don't need character certificates -- least of all from crawly creatures like Rajan Narayan! -- because their work speaks enough for their credentials. COMMENT: re #1: While Samir may have a semi-academic point regarding the possible 'copyright infringement', I am not sure (except in the case of one live concert) that any copyright infringement (or even copyright) was claimed by the tiatrists. BTW: Youtube is full of audio-video material from films. So, I do not know why any Third-Party would accuse JoeGoaUK of copyright infringement. Has he been claiming 1 fish-curry rice with every hit on his upload? re #2: I agree with Valmiki that JoeGoaUK's work speaks for itself. I also agree that Frederick Noronha should be commended (not that he will even expect or accept commendation) for his networking and book-publication work. I hope, however, that Valmiki is not saying that Frederick's blatant 'breaking of rules' on Goanet or his inadequate research before going to print and his refusal to correct errors, is something which is above criticism or that those who criticise that aspect (especially as it plays the role of control) is 'crabby. BTW: I did not know that Rajan Narayan is a 'Invented in Goa' crab. jc
[Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
dear Samir, I do believe in copyright but I don't believe that JoeGoaUk used the internet for commercial purposes' and made money off his postings. I also think we have to view this in light of the service that JoeGoaUk does provide, the video documenting and photographs he disseminates without any charge. Herald has often used his photographs without even given him credit for it, and he has not made a hue and cry about it. He has provided his services free of cost when Rajan Parrikar needed documentary evidence of vagrancy around Panjim. To hang him out to dry now, is not being a good Goan. If tiatrists are being affected by his posting of their artistic imput then a simple private warning would have sufficed. Afterall, he is available on email even if he is an unknown entity. best, selma
[Goanet] May Day at Goa Chitra enthrals a packed audience ... and joins in celebrating WORLD GOA DAY ...
Goenkars ! May Day at Goa Chitraenthrals a packed audience http://www.navhindtimes.in/iwatch/may-day-goa-chitra-enthrals-packed-audience Do Visit Goa Chitra when in Goa.in the meantime watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0K4E-T6Yqk GOA CHITRA - joins the WORLD GOA DAY 10thAnniversary celebrations - details to follow. renebarreto WORLD GOA DAY -WORLD KONKANI DAY WORLD ALLAINCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS =
Re: [Goanet] Eroding Goan Coastline
Hi Freddy, In the case of the coastline and the rise in the water-level, it ain't the Government's fault. They may have woken up late but the water is already eating up coastal properties. In fact a group of land-owners in Gonsua-Majorda sold their piece of land for 3Xcrs (the little bird tells me) because after every monsoon, they lost about 100 sq mts to the rising water. I noticed from the days of my childhood in Utordathe distance from land to water was way long. Maybe its my imagination. In Betalbatim, there are fork-lifts building walls along the coast line (a well-known builder known for dating the government) has a business which may get effected. On the northern side, if you walk along the Keri beach.well, you cannot walk from one end, to the other. The sea comes up during high tide so the beach in effect is divided into two (my observation). This said, I did ask locals and every one is happily unaware in the rise of the sea-levels. They couldn't be bothered, they are Goan no? However, ask anyone in the department of agriculture and the ones in the know will tell you, the situation is alarming. Lets not forget the Gomant Lok Pox and the late Wilfad Antao who warned the government to stop the leases to the sea-sand miners from the big neighbouring state to the north; nobody ever did, even my family doctor from Cansaulim who was the Chief Minister at the time. So, along the Salcette coast line, its danger because the dunes would have protected the invading sea are gone. A few other indicatives: I spoke to a few folks in the fishing business (folks who run trawlers etc). They all say the sea is behaving strange. How? Well, for example, in the recent past, they used lead weights to keep the nets downthey say they've had to triple the weight because of the strange currents,which are swift and come unannounced. All this is close to the coast. I have recently returned from the Southern East coast with a friend who has been visiting the Pundacherry area for years: the beach there is cut in half. Mind you, the area was in the tsunami zone. However, from the beach to the waterthe gradient is so steep, one could slide. Literally. = http://www.navhindtimes.in/opinion/erosion-goa-s-coastline Eroding Goan Coastline All of a sudden today, the Goa Government has got up from it's Kumbkaran sleep and is worried about the erosion of Goa's coastline, although more erosion has been caused by the man-made factors rather than by the natural phenomena's. Today Goa is on the brink of an environmental disaster due to it's excessive and open cast mining, hill cutting and land filling which have been intensified inexorably and due to the silting of our river beds, but our Government has shown no desire to act against the destructive forces but rather encouraged the destruction by it's lackluster attitude towards the environment.
[Goanet] INAUGURATION OF OUR LADY OF ROSARY CHAPEL, CARVOTA, LOUTULIM
The inauguration of the newly reconstructed Our Lady of Rosary Chapel and residence at Carvota, Loutulim will take place on the 5th of May at 4.30 pm. The new premises will be blessed by the Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao.
Re: [Goanet] ''superior'' Indians
I am not quite sure if the original post in this thread was meant to criticize the abominable caste system or the people of India, by implying that they were inferior to Jews. But if the latter is the case, I suggest that Antonio familiarize himself with the creative artistes and thinkers that India has produced over the last 2600 years, as well as those of the last century such as Srinivasa Ramanujan and Subramanyam Chandrasekhar. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 5/3/10, Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks FN for reminding me of the man - you know from where. Just a thought. Could it be possible that the long suffering slaves of Rome got HIS doctrines not quite correct as I believe, HIS followers in the East ( the middle east to be more precise) perceive HIM rather differently from the omniscience of the west.
[Goanet] Qatar Goans miss popular community leader Basil Coutinho
The skyline of Doha and Dubai has changed dramatically over the last few decades. However, nothing compares it to the old days when young Basil Coutinho, armed with a college degree and backed by the then customary typing and shorthand diplomas, touched the shore of Doha, some four decades back. But, there has also been another alarming change which is troubling the former Goan community leader in Qatar. The number of activities conducted by Goan community for the Goans in Qatar has shrunk to an all-time low level. The upcoming MayBall Queen dance at the Diplomatic Club today (May 6) is a journey down the memory lane not just for the past MayBall Queens but also for Basil Coutinho for a different reason. He was the person who first introduced the MayBall Queen concept in Doha Qatar among the Goan community way back in 1991, as President of Doha Goans Sports Club. Devotion, dedication, discipline, honesty and sincerity are some of the virtues one associates with young Basil Coutinho and to cap it all, he is an eloquent speaker, who could keep his audience spell bound. But success and fortune did not come easily for this gifted personality, who has donned different hats in his life, that of a social worker, community leader, teacher and a banker. Early childhood loss of his father at the age of five years meant he was sent to the Roman Catholic priests of the Don Bosco Brothers who operated boarding school in Matunga, Mumbai. The education at Matunga left a deep impact on Basil. He was so impressed by the way the priests work for humanity and for the uplift of society in India and elsewhere that he too felt a strong urge to do something for society. The lessons learnt at Don Bosco Matunga stood him in good stead throughout his life. Basil started as a high school teacher at Don Bosco High School in Panjim teaching for 3 years, besides teaching at Don Bosco Matunga Bombay for a period of 1 year. Among his student is well known internationally reputed musician Remo Fernandes, while he was based at Don Bosco Panjim. After 4 years as a teacher, the Gulf bug hit Basil and he touched the Dubai shore in 1970. In 1971, he was transferred to Doha where he worked with Bank of Oman as Credit Manager for a period of 3 years. And when the bank changed its corporate name to Bank of Al Mashreq, he continued with them for another 20 years as manager. A brief experiment with business – a partnership one cost him dearly and thereafter he joined CommercialBank, where he served in different managerial positions, till his retirement, three years back. But his desk job at the Bank did not keep this social conscious individual tied up to his routine job commitments. He ventured into the social domain and for social causes which he holds dear to his heart till this date. He made a plunge to help the scattered Goan community together under one platform and offering them various social and cultural activities. A charismatic leader that he was, he took the reins of the community Club and guided its destiny for many years. “Goans were the first to establish clubs in Qatar and following our successful models, other Indian communities followed suit,” recalls Basil. Looking back at the history of the Goan clubs in Qatar, Errol D’Cruz, a resident of Mumbai, who spend 12 years in Qatar, says: “Basil Coutinho was the main architect to keep the Goan Community in a happy, animated mood, and united with different activities. Even now in his retired age, he is very much occupied, and involved in promoting social activities. Basil is the man of masses, his charity work is always remembered by many to whom he reached out during their difficult days.” “In 1988, Basil Coutinho was elected unopposed President of Doha Goans Sports Club, and when he took over the presidentship, within a short period the shape and the image of the club changed completely, membership increased from 30 to 415, and subsequently continued to increase. Those early days are still remembered as Doha Goans Sports Club ecelled in conducting various fun filled activities which brought laurels to the club and which were of interest to the Goans and Indian coummity in general, under the dynamic leadership of Mr. Basil,” said Ambrosio Dias, former General Secretary of Doha Goans Sports Club. Basil was instrumental in starting the Goan Community MayQueen Ball in 1991 and the Goans had cricket, volleyball and football teams competing in different competitions. “Different activities were introduced such as cultural, sports, and social. First time in the history of the club and in the Goan Community May Queen Ball was organized in hotel Sheraton on 9th May 1991, with great enthusiasm, with live band, which attracted over one thousand people. That was a great event,” recalls Basil. Goans also were happy to witness several competitions and fun events during Basil’s tenure. A unique introduction of One-Act Play, and singing competition in Konkani
Re: [Goanet] In defence of JOEGOAUK
Selma, Just to make a few brief points below: * Copyright has reached ludicrous proportions. You are probably violating copyright laws by singing Happy Birthday To You! Please be careful when it's time for Lauren's next birthday! And see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/04/the-song-happy-birthday-is-copyrighted-and-brings-in-about-200-per-year-to-the-copyright-holders/ http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp * Whether you use it for commercial purposes or not, copyright violation is copyright violation! * I do not believe in copyright (in the sense that, I do not believe that copyright is primarily meant to reward the creator of a work, nor does so). But my way of fighting copyright is to create sharable products online, whenever possible, including some 29,000 photographs here http://photosfromgoa.notlong.com I cannot force anyone to share their copyrighted work with me, or grab it against their wishes. * I do believe JoeGoaUk has been doing a very good job in sharing information about Konkani entertainment, apart from other things (though I disagree with his anti-migrant stance), and I suspect many tiatrists are quite happy when they get publicity their work, in a way that doesn't reveal the whole. * Those commenting on the April 17, 2010 tiatr day debate that took place at the TAG office were not present for the event. The debate came up specifically in the context of Prof. Andre Rafael Fernandes' book, which has been released generously by him under a Creative Commons license (CC-BY-NC3.0). * Those who would like to use this as an excuse to settle other scores, I wish them good luck. My goal was to focus attention on sharing resources online, and am glad my almost tongue-in-cheek piece set the cat among the pidgeons :-) Frederick Noronha PS: I'd like to thank JoeGoaUk for being very generous in sharing with me too, the latest case being permission for four photographs we plan to carry in a forthcoming book. Of course, I'll keep to my side of the deal and ensure he gets credit for his work On 5 May 2010 02:53, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: dear Samir, I do believe in copyright but I don't believe that JoeGoaUk used the internet for commercial purposes' and made money off his postings. I also think we have to view this in light of the service that JoeGoaUk does provide, the video documenting and photographs he disseminates without any charge. Herald has often used his photographs without even given him credit for it, and he has not made a hue and cry about it. He has provided his services free of cost when Rajan Parrikar needed documentary evidence of vagrancy around Panjim. To hang him out to dry now, is not being a good Goan. If tiatrists are being affected by his posting of their artistic imput then a simple private warning would have sufficed. Afterall, he is available on email even if he is an unknown entity.
[Goanet] (no subject)
To Goanet The Commissioners/Officers/Directors in the Income Tax Department Enforcement Directorate fear to carry out raids on the residences of senior leaders and politicians of the Congress, BJP, Shivsena, NCP, etc due to the fear of being sacked or suspended or transferred. DISHONEST INDUSTRIALISTS, scandalous politicians, corrupt IAS, IRS, IPS officers, cricketers, film actors, illegal sex trade and protected wildlife operators, powerful builders, to name just a few, sucked this countrys wealth and prosperity and deposited that wealth in swiss banks in their illegal personal accounts a sum of about $ 1500 billion (around Rs.70/- or Rs.70 Lakh crores). Yes, 70 lakhs crores rupees of India are lying in Switzerland banks. This is the highest amount lying outside any country, from amongst 180 countries of the world, no wonder India is the champion of Black Money. This huge amount has been appropriated from the people of India by exploiting and betraying them. Due to international pressure, Swiss govt. agreed to disclose the names of the account holders only if the respective Governments formally asked for it. Indian/UPA govt. is not asking for the details. no marks for guessing why Indian people have read and have known about these facts. But the helpless people have neither time nor inclination to do anything in the matter.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: A Letter To The Bleddy Goans From An East Indian Bugger (Godfrey Pereira)
I must say, I love Godfrey for his criticism but the way he put things was a little offensive to my ear but very, very, much motivating. I believe that the problem is ours and hence we should be the ones who solve it, and not the East Indian. Thank you, Godfrey, I believe that it motivated even me as a Goan to step up and do something that will save our Goa. But what we all lack is the bit of courage to do what is right. We should all step up and do what is right. On my part, I do the minimum that is required, I too lack a nut which would be due to fear. We all need support. The ones who dare are truly courageous. I’m sure we Goans, although insulted will be motivated by Godfrey’s speech. Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: A Letter To The Bleddy Goans From An East Indian Bugger (Godfrey Pereira)
We all seem to be squabbling like brats in reaction to the 'bloody letter'...let's take the letter and wash it of all its blood and yes, after the blood and flesh are removed, we have the skeleton and yep, the structure is there, it's there for all to see, it's happening, no matter how we might tend to look the other side...we can't take offence at the structure, though of course, the dressing was offensive…we have to do something about it...we have to come together, join forces and work towards a better Goa...that would be the appropriate slap in the face of the East Indian who had the effrontery to poke fun of the ‘sushegad’ nature and customs of our people…bring about the desired change, instead of childishly pointing a finger to his background…c’mon, grow up! That’s the way the ‘previous’ Goans would react, we are the ‘new’ Goans…a mature lot…let’s come together and douse the flames on our own land…let’s fight evil, but in the process, when we band together, we have to remain cautious that we never don on an eviler robe than our ghastly politicians…we should not be like the pigs in ‘Animal Farm’, who turned ‘man’ out for his evil ways, only to get eviler….let’s appreciate the East Indian for his letter, for his biting truth, for his daring and most of all for getting us out of our comfort zones...let’s appreciate Cecil for being a loyal Goan and jumping on behalf of us all at being pinched in the butt…but most importantly, who’s going to bell the cat? Any takers! Work out a strategy that will work and not fizzle out once the pain in the butt has lost its sting, then it’s victory forever to the East Indian….so see ya out there in action guys…save Goa, the ladies and the children…the ball is now in your court…good luck!!! Read all Goanet messages at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
[Goanet] Goan contesting UK elections is opposed to migration
Here is the link to the article, folks. Philip Pinto is an ex-Kenyan. Mervyn1167Lobo http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/803863--walkom-immigration-is-sleeper-issue-in-british-election
[Goanet] Goa news for May 5, 2010
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sporting Clube de Goa rally to defeat Mahindra United 3-2 - Daily News Analysis and keep their hopes of avoiding relegation ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_sporting-clube-de-goa-rally-to-defeat-mahindra-united-3-2_1379034usg=AFQjCNEL1XuHKILN0Nb21ckjxy8573P2KQ *** New Goa airport given the green light - Southall Travel uesday, [May 04, 2010] 06:06 PM Those taking cheap flights to Goa will soon have a choice of airports at which to land after plans to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.southalltravel.co.uk/news/India/19757339/New-Goa-airport-given-the-green-light.htmlusg=AFQjCNGQ1oa4bpRDqf7ul4icnCGXLv4SeQ *** Seminar on FIFA World Cup in Goa - Press Trust of India up-kicks-up-a-frenzy-of-TV-advertising/615096/usg=AFQjCNG-29uvNiJfpkzJYLFKDsUSw0q9swFifa Cup kicks up a frenzy of TV advertising http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/638848_Seminar-on-FIFA-World-Cup-in-Goausg=AFQjCNFUhDSewoeHiaNvWekyDvKciBiqjQ *** Goa witnesses low production of Cashew - digITal Goa Goa has witnessed low production of cashew crop this year resulting into loss of revenue for the state. Goa forest development corporation ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.digitalgoa.com/ca_disp.php?id=1132usg=AFQjCNHKzqsA8bRykh1fICi-eCO02ftx8A *** Buy Sesa Goa only above 406-407 levels: Angel Broking - Economic Times teel-intraday-buy-call-2260555usg=AFQjCNHlf3ZZCtB3EDYYFiu0IGjSJtF7QQTata Steel Intraday Buy Call http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Views/Recommendations/articleshow/5888679.cmsusg=AFQjCNGBZfQhuOvtFmCbq5d1Yf3Z4uARxA *** Wine them, dine them dump them as illiterates - Times of India mes of IndiaHYDERABAD: A seemingly insignificant election to be held in three days has unfolded a drama spread across Goa and Bangalore and has the rival Congress and ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Wine-them-dine-them-dump-them-as-illiterates/articleshow/5891266.cmsusg=AFQjCNF3uRj_neDeb2Ao1NlRunKoA83dTQ *** SC scraps Mauvin's power rebate - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: In a major reprieve to the Goa government that faced claims in excess of Rs 50 crore made by industrial units based on power rebate notifications ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/SC-scraps-Mauvins-power-rebate/articleshow/5891305.cmsusg=AFQjCNHSWP-Q8-L1HxpWv52TQb6emOPYQQ *** Queen's Baton Relay to pass through Goa on September 7, 8 - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa State Organizing Committee for the Queen's Baton Relay passing through Goa on September 7 and 8 held a meeting under the chairmanship of ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Queens-Baton-Relay-to-pass-through-Goa-on-September-7-8/articleshow/5891295.cmsusg=AFQjCNEwpxoDougQon6uFRSaG8Lg4hC97A *** 39 new dragonfly species found in Goa - Times of India onth long study carried out in Goa some time back is likely to bring them into sharper focus as the number of their species has now gone up to 74. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/39-new-dragonfly-species-found-in-Goa/articleshow/5891302.cmsusg=AFQjCNH5MoRSm4UmdrYCIjkcZeq2wFa25g *** In Goa, the Scarlett Keeling murder trial is under way. But will justice be done? - Telegraph.co.uk (blog) legraph.co.uk (blog)It can be assumed, then, that Goa's police would have been confident that any inquest would confirm their conclusion, but thanks only to Scarlett Keeling's ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/montymunford1/100034030/in-goa-the-scarlett-keeling-murder-trial-is-under-way-but-will-justice-be-done/usg=AFQjCNEzxw3ieUTvQqEFnBIGh6lMAbbUKg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] In defence of JoeGoauk - to Samir
I will come back on others later. But first, let me take on Samir What you mean whole Tiatrs? Fyi, each tiatr is about 3 hours long. And to put it on the net/youtube, it will require at least 18 parts/clips of 10 mins duration each. e.g. Tiatr Part 1 , Part 2 ….. part 18 You being into IT, should have known it better. Whoever told you must be another inter-nutter like me and whoever believes in them is even maha nutter. Looks like some people are jealous minded For I don’t shout.. I am a freedom fighter, give me the first preference I am a freedom fighter, give me my full or more pension I am a freedom fighter, give my son a job Fyi, People who don’t shout are also freedom fighters (there are some in Canacona) People who don’t shout are also social workers etc When one gives to God or to a poor or a needy or to a community etc he/she need not shout (for publicity etc). And that’s what JoeGoaUk is all about but some people simply cannot digest it thus revealing one’s own crab mentality to the world. About copyright violations, I do agree it is wrong to film no matter how small or no matter what the person intends to do with it, no matter if it is for profit or loss. Theft is a theft no matter how small or no matter how clean one’s conscious is. But let’s not blow it out of proportion by making false accusations or by giving wrong or malicious information in the public forum thanks. Samir wrote: And correct me if I am wrong --- that whole tiatrs have been put on the internet (or rather internut) by joegoauk. If it is true, then certainly it is not right, if it is done without permission. regards, Samir joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] : Why boycott elections or contest them?
Celebrities are supposed to be role models for other citizens. Unfortunately for whatever reason we find som of them giving filthy advice like boycotting elections. I agree that no matter what our local icons say, we as the educated citizens should not refrain from voting. If we keep out, political parties depend on people who make money out of elections. Once elected, the parties are only answerable to such people by way of doling out more perks. Starting a new party may not work in the current circumstance. Other parties have a strong base built already. Supporting a fresh new party would be like voting for someone who will not win thereby wasting a vote. It would be in the interest of Goa that we support the party that we think has performed relatively much better. Melvyn Ferrao Agacaim On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:11 PM, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: There should not be any doubt in any Goan's mind that the only way that we can alter the course of history is through the ballot box. If elections are not contested, we cede the authority we have of questioning and indeed of altering the current course that is set by the current Government. We will have given them an open mandate to carry on their destructive course unimpeded. We must therefore turn out one and all to register as voters and on election day, turn out in full force to elect the right people to parliament. People who have the welfare of Goa and Goans at heart. Selfless people who are not interested in enriching themselves at the expense of Goa and its people. It would even be prudent to register a new political party which will field candidates known to be of exceptional character and honesty. Not contesting the elections can also mean that we have surrendered without a fight. We should never surrender our rights to elect a fair just and honest government. The power is in our hands. Let us use it wisely and we will be the winners in the end. Let us show the current scoundrels that we are not cowards. We may be meek and humble but we are truly full of valor and ready to fight for our rights. We need to fight for our rights to a just, honest, trust worthy and representative government who are truly the representatives of the people and who hold the well being and prosperity of Goa and Goans at heart. I appeal to all Goans not to boycott the elections but make a consorted effort to ensure that we elect a truly Goan Government true to our values of honesty, justice and fairness. Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares.
Re: [Goanet] Anger........
All good qualities and actions come from having the right desires. I do not believe that it is wrong to be angry. Orlando - Original Message - From: Gina Fernandes fg...@rocketmail.com To: estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: [Goanet] Anger All evil qualities and actions proceed from anger. If you can eradicate anger, ...Gina Ferns E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14920 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14920 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
[Goanet] Mining companies stage coup, mines Netravali Wildlife sanctuary buffer zone
Mining companies has staged comprehensive coup in Goa. The most glaring example of this fact is supplied through the past two days of relentless ore transportation going on in zero kilometer buffer zone of the Netravali Wildlife Sanctuary in Bhati village of Sanguem taluka in the survey numbers 11/0 and 24/0. The department of Mines and Geology actually carried on the raid on this site and even sealed the machinery on April 16, 2010. The transportation of ore then had stopped. However after a fortnight things have changed. Transportation of ore resumed on May 03, 2010 with around 20 trucks plying on the site. This continued in a major part of the day on May 04, 2010 till young man Martin Fernandes who was to get married four days later was crushed to death under mining ore truck in Sanguem and public then closed all the roads for mining trucks. The roads are still closed for mining trucks today. On May 04, 2010 Dilip Hegde, President of Goenchea Xetkaracho Ekvott (GXE) and myself - Sebastian Rodrigues, Convenor of Goa Federation of Mines Affected People (GOAMAP) met up with Mr. Lolienkar, Director of Mines and Geology, in its Panjim office brought this issue to his notice. He was abrasive this time. He declared that mining transportation of ore is legal as Department is receiving royalty from the Chowgule Mining company. When he was asked as to why it premises was raided on April 16, 2010 director had no satisfactory answer to offer. Obviously there is something very fishy in the whole episode and it needs some deeper probe. But one thing that stand clear is that lot of brief cases has exchanged hands for something as brazen as this to take place over the past few weeks. Its time we visualize scenarios to free the state of Goa from the state of emergency imposed by mining companies. This can only be done by imposing state of emergency on mining companies. The change towards liberation will herald then. In the meanwhile please write as many letters of protest to Mr. Jairam Ramesh, Minister for Environment and Forest, Government of India, New Delhi protesting the mining activities withing zero kilometer buffer zone of Netravali Wildlife Sanctuary. His e-mail is jaira...@gmail.com. Sebastian Rodrigues http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2010/05/mining-companies-stage-coup-mines.html _ South Cinema This Decade http://entertainment.in.msn.com/southcinemathisdecade/
Re: [Goanet] Milind Raikar on tour in the USA
thank you Yours Musically, Milind Raikar Mob: 9892582671 --- On Mon, 3/5/10, Goanet A-C-E! goa...@goanet.org wrote: From: Goanet A-C-E! goa...@goanet.org Subject: Milind Raikar on tour in the USA To: goa...@goanet.org Date: Monday, 3 May, 2010, 9:14 AM Accomplished Violinist, Milind Raikar will be on tour of the United States from May 8 - 13, 2010. Planned stops include Boston, Providence, RI, Baltimore / Washington DC, Raleigh and Los Angeles. Goanet A-C-E! Arts ~ Culture ~ Entertainment
