[Goanet-News] FROM GOA: Mando festival ... live this week (Thurs-Fri)
The 54th All Goa State Level Mando Festival 2021 will be held on 9th & 10th December 2021 at 7.00 pm at Menezes Braganza Hall, Panaji organised by Goa Cultural and Social Centre. This year it gets even bigger as we go hybrid with limited attendance and LIVE online on our YouTube channel and Facebook page for the very first time. Contestants include some of the leading groups from all across Goa. Login in on (Day 1) Thursday, 9th December '21 at 7pm IST sharp; Via YouTube at: https://youtu.be/RHBHROJcjck and on (Day 2) Friday, 10th December '21 at 7pm IST sharp. https://youtu.be/iwOI7PHC9WI Link for Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Goa-Cultural-And-Social-Centre-1063171247144733/ For further details/limited invitations for physical attendance call: Mr. Francisco Noronha +91 9881737479 or Milagres Fernandes +91 9822137277. Do share the details and links with friends and family all over the world. CIRCULATED VIA: -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Frederick Noronha * Independent Journalist _/ Audio: https://archive.org/details/goa1556 _/ Goa,1556 books from Goa: http://goa1556.in _/ More links, info: http://about.me/noronhafrederick _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Join a discussion on Goa-related issues by posting your comments on this or other issues via email to goa...@goanet.org See archives at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
[Goanet] FROM GOA: Mando festival ... live this week (Thurs-Fri)
The 54th All Goa State Level Mando Festival 2021 will be held on 9th & 10th December 2021 at 7.00 pm at Menezes Braganza Hall, Panaji organised by Goa Cultural and Social Centre. This year it gets even bigger as we go hybrid with limited attendance and LIVE online on our YouTube channel and Facebook page for the very first time. Contestants include some of the leading groups from all across Goa. Login in on (Day 1) Thursday, 9th December '21 at 7pm IST sharp; Via YouTube at: https://youtu.be/RHBHROJcjck and on (Day 2) Friday, 10th December '21 at 7pm IST sharp. https://youtu.be/iwOI7PHC9WI Link for Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Goa-Cultural-And-Social-Centre-1063171247144733/ For further details/limited invitations for physical attendance call: Mr. Francisco Noronha +91 9881737479 or Milagres Fernandes +91 9822137277. Do share the details and links with friends and family all over the world. CIRCULATED VIA: -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Frederick Noronha * Independent Journalist _/ Audio: https://archive.org/details/goa1556 _/ Goa,1556 books from Goa: http://goa1556.in _/ More links, info: http://about.me/noronhafrederick _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
[Goanet-News] VEM CANTAR: FINALS 27SEPT2014: Osler Dias, Sherwyn Correia, Kelly Ribeiro, Larissa Carvalho, Fatima Convent, Vozes Radicais and Vozes de Vasco de Gama win! [Community Video, sharable]
From the event held on Sept 27, 2014 at the Taleigao Community Centre, Goa: Category I: 8-11 years - FIRST: Osler Ben Dias [Fadinho Serrano] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFAWz6jiT8 SECOND: Beverly Marie Mendonca [Lisboa de Fernao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23_e9tSMm_U HONOURABLE MENTION: Amber Maria Gomes [O Namorico da Rita] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXW8Lhr7IM HONOURABLE MENTION: Vera de Noronha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrOzmAOlI-M Category II: 12-15 years FIRST: Sherwyn Filipe Francisco Correia [Acordem as Guitarras] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aNg3FejRPQ SECOND: Emmanuel de Noronha [Rua do Capelao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yZEfrxpXQQ HONOURABLE MENTION: Amanda Rosa Maria Fernandes [Medo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBJzQpaJF0 HONOURABLE MENTION: Kenzie Fernandes [Apaixonada por Voce] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMnkQtWpciQ Category III: 16-20 years FIRST: Kelly Karen Ribeiro [Para os Bracos da Minha Mae] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1pEypB6GQ SECOND: Daniella Fernande s [Senhora do Mar] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMq2BBboUw HONOURABLE MENTION: Charmaine Fernandes [Muito Alem do Prazer] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzH96eykl0E HONOURABLE MENTION: Sarah Fernandes [Boa Nova] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCE7GtiwJc Category IV: 21 years and above FIRST: Larissa Rochelle Carvalho [O Infante] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2MQ5_Y5jkM SECOND: Joao Baptista Bras [Reinar em Vida] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF2PLrWcVS4 HONOURABLE MENTION: Arlindo de Miranda [Terra da Maria] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIxWD_JdU8 HONOURABLE MENTION: Vinella Gomes [Chamar a Musica] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmi9zbXQfiY HONOURABLE MENTION: Safiro Castro [Anda Comigo ver os Avioes] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Uo91Kp_Vo Category V: Groups: Junior A FIRST: Coro Infantil de Fatima Convento [Alguem na Multidao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrcxnBTgmjQ SECOND: Jovens de Don Bosco [Regozijarei] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsbx1Q5OWcU HONOURABLE MENTION: Coro de Loyola [Camaro Amarelo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSqPi8n0Um4 HONOURABLE MENTION: Estrelinhas [Sei Que Tudo Vai Mudar] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-20NBk8nI Category VI: Groups: Junior B FIRST: Vozes Radicais [Entrega Total] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucG7VapGfes SECOND: As Belas Vozes [Ai Que Do] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLVC1h8XB0 HONOURABLE MENTION: Vozes em Harmonia [Baila Comigo Amor] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyNwQPP7YU HONOURABLE MENTION: Em Harmonia [Vai Ter Balanga] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbUsjIeNX8c Category VII: Groups: Seniors FIRST: Vozes de Vasco da Gama [So Penso em Voce] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrYhnVxeNug SECOND: Some de Musica [Solta-se o Beijo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLB9brTOTzk HONOURABLE MENTION: Maravilhas de Margao [Kanimambo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBTQ01K8kc HONOURABLE MENTION: Ondas do Mar [Palavras] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4CTMIgpVw * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An introduction to the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHf6kq_klNo Grupo Choral de Rosary College (Rosary College Chorale), Navelim, Goa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDhT3st1DWs -- Shared by Frederick Noronha. Earlier round at http://www.youtube.com/user/fredericknoronha1 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's books on Goa available via mail-order: http://goa1556.in
[Goanet] VEM CANTAR: FINALS 27SEPT2014: Osler Dias, Sherwyn Correia, Kelly Ribeiro, Larissa Carvalho, Fatima Convent, Vozes Radicais and Vozes de Vasco de Gama win! [Community Video, sharable]
From the event held on Sept 27, 2014 at the Taleigao Community Centre, Goa: Category I: 8-11 years - FIRST: Osler Ben Dias [Fadinho Serrano] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyFAWz6jiT8 SECOND: Beverly Marie Mendonca [Lisboa de Fernao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23_e9tSMm_U HONOURABLE MENTION: Amber Maria Gomes [O Namorico da Rita] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXW8Lhr7IM HONOURABLE MENTION: Vera de Noronha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrOzmAOlI-M Category II: 12-15 years FIRST: Sherwyn Filipe Francisco Correia [Acordem as Guitarras] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aNg3FejRPQ SECOND: Emmanuel de Noronha [Rua do Capelao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yZEfrxpXQQ HONOURABLE MENTION: Amanda Rosa Maria Fernandes [Medo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkBJzQpaJF0 HONOURABLE MENTION: Kenzie Fernandes [Apaixonada por Voce] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMnkQtWpciQ Category III: 16-20 years FIRST: Kelly Karen Ribeiro [Para os Bracos da Minha Mae] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1pEypB6GQ SECOND: Daniella Fernande s [Senhora do Mar] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMq2BBboUw HONOURABLE MENTION: Charmaine Fernandes [Muito Alem do Prazer] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzH96eykl0E HONOURABLE MENTION: Sarah Fernandes [Boa Nova] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUCE7GtiwJc Category IV: 21 years and above FIRST: Larissa Rochelle Carvalho [O Infante] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2MQ5_Y5jkM SECOND: Joao Baptista Bras [Reinar em Vida] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF2PLrWcVS4 HONOURABLE MENTION: Arlindo de Miranda [Terra da Maria] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulIxWD_JdU8 HONOURABLE MENTION: Vinella Gomes [Chamar a Musica] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmi9zbXQfiY HONOURABLE MENTION: Safiro Castro [Anda Comigo ver os Avioes] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Uo91Kp_Vo Category V: Groups: Junior A FIRST: Coro Infantil de Fatima Convento [Alguem na Multidao] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrcxnBTgmjQ SECOND: Jovens de Don Bosco [Regozijarei] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsbx1Q5OWcU HONOURABLE MENTION: Coro de Loyola [Camaro Amarelo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSqPi8n0Um4 HONOURABLE MENTION: Estrelinhas [Sei Que Tudo Vai Mudar] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw-20NBk8nI Category VI: Groups: Junior B FIRST: Vozes Radicais [Entrega Total] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucG7VapGfes SECOND: As Belas Vozes [Ai Que Do] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLVC1h8XB0 HONOURABLE MENTION: Vozes em Harmonia [Baila Comigo Amor] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyNwQPP7YU HONOURABLE MENTION: Em Harmonia [Vai Ter Balanga] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbUsjIeNX8c Category VII: Groups: Seniors FIRST: Vozes de Vasco da Gama [So Penso em Voce] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrYhnVxeNug SECOND: Some de Musica [Solta-se o Beijo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLB9brTOTzk HONOURABLE MENTION: Maravilhas de Margao [Kanimambo] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBTQ01K8kc HONOURABLE MENTION: Ondas do Mar [Palavras] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4CTMIgpVw * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An introduction to the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHf6kq_klNo Grupo Choral de Rosary College (Rosary College Chorale), Navelim, Goa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDhT3st1DWs -- Shared by Frederick Noronha. Earlier round at http://www.youtube.com/user/fredericknoronha1 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's books on Goa available via mail-order: http://goa1556.in
[Goanet-News] GOA BUS-RIVER TRAGEDY: Some rather saddening visuals from Calvim (Aldona)...
[Initial reports put the deaths at 15. The number of bodies recovered by late Saturday was 7. But it is not clear if more persons are still missing...] The uploader (selvinaabraham) of these videos, who was at the venue, has commented: I am afraid of political people. they got a chance to blame each other and to get advertisement for their party. but nobody bother about tears, mourning and crying heart of people...very sad. Calvim Tragedy, Aldona Goa -2012-Removing the body of small girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-_LsbIcXzgfeature=share Aldona Calvim bus tragedy-18-02-2012 (removal of the bus) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt9LahKqT7g Tragedy in Calvim, Aldona-2012 (shifting the ill-fated bus) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ixtqTotbY See also: Mini bus plunges into Calvim river at Aldona, killing 7 including 4 students http://www.goanews.com/news_disp.php?newsid=1890 -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://twitter.com/fn --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] GOA BUS-RIVER TRAGEDY: Some rather saddening visuals from Calvim (Aldona)...
[Initial reports put the deaths at 15. The number of bodies recovered by late Saturday was 7. But it is not clear if more persons are still missing...] The uploader (selvinaabraham) of these videos, who was at the venue, has commented: I am afraid of political people. they got a chance to blame each other and to get advertisement for their party. but nobody bother about tears, mourning and crying heart of people...very sad. Calvim Tragedy, Aldona Goa -2012-Removing the body of small girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-_LsbIcXzgfeature=share Aldona Calvim bus tragedy-18-02-2012 (removal of the bus) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt9LahKqT7g Tragedy in Calvim, Aldona-2012 (shifting the ill-fated bus) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ixtqTotbY See also: Mini bus plunges into Calvim river at Aldona, killing 7 including 4 students http://www.goanews.com/news_disp.php?newsid=1890 -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 http://twitter.com/fn --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Goa, 1961 and Beyond... some images from a seminar
Goa, 1961 and Beyond... some images from a seminar http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157628542752335/ Please help to place captions below the photos (in the comments section). A couple of other audio links that might be of interest: Goa 1961 Aspirations and Testimonies http://www.archive.org/details/Goa1961AspirationsAndTestimonies Keki Daruwala, Indian poet, reads from his book *For Pepper and Christ http://www.archive.org/details/KekiDaruwalaIndianPoetReadsFromHisBookforPepperAndChrist Children's Writing from Goa ... Bebeanchem Kazar Launch http://www.archive.org/details/ChildrensWritingFromGoa...BebeanchemKazarLaunch The earlier Goa 2011 Seminar (20110929) http://www.archive.org/details/Goa2011Seminar FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Goa, 1961 and Beyond... some images from a seminar
Goa, 1961 and Beyond... some images from a seminar http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157628542752335/ Please help to place captions below the photos (in the comments section). A couple of other audio links that might be of interest: Goa 1961 Aspirations and Testimonies http://www.archive.org/details/Goa1961AspirationsAndTestimonies Keki Daruwala, Indian poet, reads from his book *For Pepper and Christ http://www.archive.org/details/KekiDaruwalaIndianPoetReadsFromHisBookforPepperAndChrist Children's Writing from Goa ... Bebeanchem Kazar Launch http://www.archive.org/details/ChildrensWritingFromGoa...BebeanchemKazarLaunch The earlier Goa 2011 Seminar (20110929) http://www.archive.org/details/Goa2011Seminar FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] No Development works in Goa for next 10 months
I wish politicians could take a break from wanton and wasteful spending for five years at a stretch! And follow it up with successive terms. FN On 24 December 2011 20:30, SHANTARAM NAIK shantaram...@gmail.com wrote: NO DEVELOPMENT WORKS IN GOA FOR NEXT 10 MONTHS Mr Shantaram Naik M.P while welcoming the announcement of Assembly elections in Goa has said that the combined effect of Code of Conduct of Assembly elections, followed by Code of Conduct that would be enforced for Panchayat... --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Update on Kandhamal
This one read more credible to me: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/Harsh_Mander/article2723257.ece Three cheers to the reality that there are still some staunchly secular and concerned citizens around. Who will not pretend to be asleep (and thus refuse to be woken up) when confronted by ugly issues. Mandar, a former IAS official, also talks about Gujarat here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFRjPqhpQM FN On 24 December 2011 18:43, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CARE JUST HOW MANY WILL SLEEP UNDER THE STARS ON CHRISTMAS IN KANDHAMAL, BUT HAVE WE FORGOTTEN? AN UPDATE BY JOHN DAYAL 22 December 2011 This is the fourth Christmas that many people of Kandhamal in Orissa will celebrate in terror, a few thousand of them without a real roof over their head, scores of widows and orphans remembering the denial of justice which has seen the killers of the head of the family walk away merrily after being set free by the sop called Fast Track Courts... --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Dan Driscoll fearlessly leaks his Christmas brag-letter. . .
Dan, thanks for that lovely, long and charming report! I can surely understand your decision, but people like me will definitely miss your presence here. My one regret will be that though I ran into Germana (at the Betim ferry) many years ago, I actually got to know you closely only very recently. We will forever appreciate the help you've given us, by way of taking an active interest in Goan writing, and even holding the readings you volunteered to come up with (of 'Goa Masala', for instance... and the many programmes with our Vasco friend Jugneeta). Whichever community you go, you will be an asset to. You and Germana leave a trail of happy memories here. What more reward can one ask for? Which reminds me... my visit is overdue. Will do so! FN On 24 December 2011 19:41, Dan Driscoll law...@dataone.in wrote: With a Christmas Wish, may I send a little update concerning what I have been up to here in India---particularly as of the past few weeks. As some will have heard by now, with dear Germana gone to her eternal rest I am faced with a somewhat difficult decision: whether to remain domiciled in Goa, which I have come to think of as 'home', or return to 'Home and Native Land' Canada (Atlantic Region) where my ancestors over five or six generations have propagated in an ever widening circle. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] CALL FOR ARTICLES: Sod, research bulletin from Goa
Sod, the research bulletin of the Thomas Stevens Konknni Kendra, invites articles for *Sod 16*. Ideally, articles for this issue should be well-written and thought-provoking pieces dealing with the Konknni language, literature, culture or wider research articles related to Goa, its history and culture. Sod is flexible on word-length, as long as article remains high on readability and reader-interest. Please contact its editor Dr Pratap Naik SJ pratapnai...@gmail.com to suggest specific possible contributions, word length, deadline, etc. Thanks in advance! FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa, 1961 and beyond... themes and topics from Goa (long)
Dear Braz, You're right. There's a wide range of scholarship, on interesting topics, out there. I'm not sure what the organisers' plans are... the idea was to also have the full-text of the papers available online at iias.org. In fact, the abstracts are there already; but my hunch is that fewer people visit websites than read their email. And on an unrelated note, since this too might be of public interest: Also, this is to confirm that three copies of your novel 'Just Matata' have been officially handed in to the Central Library, Panjim, at their plush new premises. These should be available at what is called the Rare Books Section (the earlier, and continuing name for the Goa Books Section... even though books on Goa are coming out thick and fast these days :-)) It's a good idea for diaspora Goa writing books related to Goa to stock a copy (or three) of their books there. This section has about the best collection of Goa-related titles published recently and long before. Under the law here, three copies of every book published locally needs to given gratis to the Central Library. The CL then buys ten more copies (at 15% discount), which is a form of encouraging local publishing. Of course, books published outside Goa or India don't need to be submitted; but doing so does help to make these available to local readers. Thanks for sending in your books via Dr Janet Rubinoff... FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 24 December 2011 09:57, B MENEZES bmene...@sympatico.ca wrote: Dear Frederick, Thank you for putting out this summary. Such a wealth of intellectual capital contained in those pages. Please confirm that the papers will eventually be compiled into a document to be available for broader consumption. For now, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all. Braz Menezes Author: Just Matata - Sin, Saints and Settlers http://www.matatatrilogy.com --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Any idea why the Goa Telecom online directory is non-functional?
http://210.212.176.226/namesearch.php?selssa=GOA -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Public Domain !
Dear Dr Eric, My understanding is as follows: * There is no such thing as a site that lies in the public domain. How would you define one? Just because a site is publicly accessible, it doesn't mean it is in the public domain. * There question of material consideration (or compensation) is irrelevant to the copyright-status of any material. Except, perhaps, to the extent of whether the creator of the content OR his employer owns the copyright. * Whether something can be retransmitted or not depends on its copyright status, and the copyright laws of the nation concerned. It is generally a good idea, and a show of courtesy to credit and mention the creator of the content. For instance, I have 40,000 photos which can be re-used for non-commercial purposes on the Flickr site http://photosfromgoa.notlong.com But I've chosen a license which makes credit mandatory. * Finally, what is this debate related to? If a moderator of any network seeks to disallows forwards from another party to the list he/she runs, then that could have less to do with copyright issues and permissions, and more to do with list policy and preferences. Hope this dissent is reasonable :-) FN PS: I agree with what Patrice Riemens wrote on Goa-Research-Net on this issue. On 22 December 2011 19:45, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: As I see it, material contributed to a site that lies in the public domain, for no material consideration (or compensation), belongs in the public domain. It could therefore be retransmitted without reference to and the prior consent of the original correspondent. I act on and in this belief. Any reasonable dissent ? eric. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese propaganda
Cry? There are rivers of tears still flowing outside my home... FN PS: Your humorous choice of words sent me dashing for the dictionary... online: ve·he·ment [vee-uh-muhnt] Show IPA adjective 1. zealous; ardent; impassioned: a vehement defense; vehement enthusiasm. 2. characterized by rancor or anger; violent: vehement hostility. 3. strongly emotional; intense or passionate: vehement desire. 4. marked by great energy or exertion; strenuous: vehement clapping. On 21 December 2011 14:52, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Did you cry vehemently when bro Kim died this week? BC Fascinating! 2011/12/13 Frederick FN Noronha PORTUGUESE FASCIST PROPAGANDA (WITH TRANSLATION) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKEKwWYmJEfeature=related Wonder if anyone saw this in Goa in those times, and what they thought of it then? (1940s). --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] AUDIO: Goa 1961 Aspirations and Testimonies
Goa 1961 Aspirations and Testimonies http://www.archive.org/details/Goa1961AspirationsAndTestimonies Recordings from a programme held on December 18, 2011, the eve of the 50th anniversary of the end of Portuguese rule in Goa. Organised as part of the wider Goa 1961 And Beyond converence (organised jointly by the Indian Institute of Advanced Study-Shimla, Goa University-Goa, and Centro de Estudos Sociais Universidade de Coimbra-Portugal). This function was held at the Maquinez Palace Hall, late evening 1 001-rahultripathi 3:45 2 002-mariaauroracouto 1:39 3 003-gajanan-raikar 9:22 4 004-madhavi-seema-edith 15:11 5 005-akshata-pabloneruda 3:09 6 006-suresh-kanekar-book-release 1:57 7 007-shardabai-savaikar 12:58 8 008-prabhakar-sinari 26:11 9 009-gurunath-kelekar 13:48 10 010-silviabraganca 22:29 11 011-profboaventuradesousasantos 13:00 http://www.archive.org/details/Goa1961AspirationsAndTestimonies -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] VIVA-RE-GOA presented by late NOLASCO DIAS
Interesting. Does it date back to 1980s then? If not mistaken, this is also described in some sociological texts... FN On 18 December 2011 02:48, Domnic Fernandes domval...@hotmail.com wrote: While I was digging into my storage cartons to locate Christmas Carol oldies' audio cassettes, I found one of Nolasco Dias' cassettes titled VIVA-RE-GOA, which must be approximately 30 years old! This is a very interesting cassette because while side 'A' contains Prelude, Mando Dulpods and Folk Songs, side 'B' contains Glimpses of a Goan Society Wedding celebrated at home (a complete sequence) - it is indeed a unique cassette. I wish someone would come up with a VCD, especially of side 'B'; of course with his family's permission. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Shinning bowl debate Was: 50 YEARS FROM A SHINNING BOWL TO A DUST BIN
Overall comment: ridicule and abuse is no argument! It has only taken 50 years to turn a shinning bowl into a dust bin. Jai Hind! Jai Bharat! - Soter D'souza Do you mean that Goa was a shinning bowl after 451 years of colonialism in 1961? If so, could you care to explain how exactly? What did it mean to the lives of the average people here? Floriano Lobo wrote: Rico will have to be transported back in time to realize that the question he is asking is base stupid, not expected for an intelligent Goan.. See above comment... Yes, it was a shining, immaculate and undisturbed shinning bowl which even the Portuguese preserved for 450 years. Immaculate? Undisturbed? Sure... most semi-feudal colonies run by non-industrial powers, the non-Britains of the world, could be described in the words you choose. But is that what was wanted? Why did such a large section of the local population leave this shining, immaculate and undisturbed shining bowl which even the Portuguese preserved for 450 years'? The neo-colonizers have screwed it all up with the conniving help from renowned Gomant Vibhushan Awardee Goans who have never loved GOA, or have they I can understand over some of the recent changes. But where's the need to sing a song of praise for colonialism? Stupid question from stupid people. Why is every one scrambling for a piece of land in Goa if it does not shine? What are those publishers publishing books for if there is nothing to sell about Goa? To smell the pig toilets or eat choris pao? -Soter Ola! This is even more confusing. Now is the suggestion that is shining now, or was shining in 1961? The flame baits of books, pig toilets and choris pao will be quietly ignored. OK but which intelligent Goan asked that question? jc ps: I am surprised (perhaps, should not be) at the loud silence in response to the following youtube video posted by Rajanbab http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK1UfegecNQlr=1 One would expect the doctors and holders of doctorates to take the debate to a higher level! FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Shinning bowl debate Was: 50 YEARS FROM A SHINNING BOWLTO A DUST BIN
Floriano, You're mixing up issues and shifting goalposts here... We can certainly debate about whether Goa has become a dust bin over the course of 50 years, what kind of changes have taken place, whom it benefits and how. But my questions are about this attempt to show colonial Goa as some kind of shinning bowl. Wonder if anyone in the Mother Country itself would buy such Lusostalgia... FN On 19 December 2011 22:52, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: And according to you, Rico, what we have after the so called liberation is not colonialism? India liberated Bangladesh. Did they remain there? Could they?? What then gives India the right to maintain its presence in Goa (especially the Naval presence at Dobolim) after the task of liberating it? Did it have a referendun as is a must under the UN charter to let Goans decide if they wanted to be with India or remain separate? NO! Then what is this talk of being liberated? --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Thank God Its Friday
Didn't appreciate this one! At least, if I wanted this kind of humour I wouldn't visit Goanet, but go elsewhere. Kitem reh baba Roland? You're capable of much better. Leave cheap cut-and-paste to acknowledged 'experts' like me! FN On 17 December 2011 01:57, Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote: A woman arrived at a party and scanning the guests, spotted an attractive man standing alone. She approached him, smiled and said, Hello. My name is Carmen --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa !
Floriano, You are getting caught up in your rhetoric! Please tell us if you have any reasons or logical argument to question the arguments of Antonio Menezes. Just cursing his supposed slavish mentality or what you claim to be no iota of self-esteem and pride doesn't convince me that you are right and he is wrong! FN On 18 December 2011 19:29, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: It is a pity that the Portuguese could not trashout the slavish mentality of Goans including that of the writer below who has no iota of self esteem and pride. as a GOAN and who will always but always remain a slave of the COLONIZERS. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: [Goanet] So much for independent Goa ! Let us hail Salazar for the way he behaved mulishly till the Portuguese army surrendered on the 19th December, 1961. According to O Heraldo, Dec 18, General Ramalho Eanes, ex President of Portugal (1976 - 1986 ) , who had served in Goa as a junior military officer, states that Goa was ripe to become an independent state, free politically both from Portugal and India. In which case,what would have been social political conditions today? The crude behavior of descendentes/mestisos, bamons and bhatkars towards the Goan common folk would have continued unabated till today, not to mention casteism of mostly bamon padre vigarios with the help of elite confraria members. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Thank God Its Friday
Moral of the story: you can blame Goanet for *your* mistakes! Thanks for having the courage of admitting this (at least the first part) publicly. FN On 19 December 2011 01:48, roland.fran...@gmail.com wrote: Knew it was a mistake the moment I clicked 'Send'. Was surprised to actually see it on GN two days later! May be the GN admin in question had more regard for me than I deserve. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Hawaii.
On 18 December 2011 18:04, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: Goa and Hawaii are on the same latitude - 15 Degrees North ! -- Hawaii Goa are both tourist destinations and exotic fruit would do well here in Goa too Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15th_parallel_north Take a look at the other countries lying on this line: QUOTE The15th parallel north is a circle of latitude that is 15 degrees north of the Earth's equatorial plane. It crosses Africa, Asia, the Indian Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, Central America, theCaribbean and the Atlantic Ocean. UNQUOTE I have long wondered if there is something magical about the angle of the sun, at this point of latitude. This is particularly relevant to the photography I dabble in. But then, it might just be my occasionally hyperactive Goan chauvinism that makes me see this. Que dites-vous, Eric? FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] 50 YEARS FROM A SHINNING BOWL TO A DUST BIN
When was it a shinning bowl and how? FN On 18 December 2011 22:56, SOTER so...@bsnl.in wrote: It has only taken 50 years to turn a shinning bowl into a dust bin. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] WENDELLL WE SHOULD DO IT OURSELVES: MEMORIAL TO MARIO MIRANDA
The other rich one was never awarding Alfred Rose officially in Goa, ostensibly on the claim that he did not live in Goa (if I recall right!) FN On 17 December 2011 10:44, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.comwrote: Forget mining blood, meaning that before one even gets there, think of the fact (pretty sure of this) that Mario Miranda never received any recognition from any Goa goverment; unless I am mnistaken and his National Awards were at the recommendation of the Goan State. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goa - 50 years of colonization
Was it this say -- what's the word? -- colonization that gave you access to an engineering education and a passport to move on to greener pastures? Or would you have done it anyway via Lisboa even if Uncle Salazar was immortal in Goa? Has the Goan-distrusts-Goan reality been any less acute, right from the time of Bahusaheb, Jack, Bhaujan-versus-GSB, Bamon-versus-Chardo, Bardezkar-versus-Sashtikar, Antruzi-versus-the-rest, Devanagari-versus-Romi, Marathi-versus-Konkani, Ubbo-versus-Advo, Diggu-versus-Porrikar, Digu-and-Porrikar-et-al-versus-the-rest, Timoja and Mhal Pai? Can you get capitalism and middle-class relative affluence (what we all yearn for at some level) without destroying semi-feudalism and the scenic setting that expat Goans love to return to whenever they want a break from their concrete lives? Hindsight, they say, is perfect vision. 20/20. If you were a freedom fighter, would you have possibly anticipated land and in-migration? Fifty years ago? I doubt lesser mortals like me would be that prescient. The contempt you have for the paan-spit-sh*t uncouth North Indian/bhaiyya/Punjabi (based on judging their supposed weak points against the claimed strengths of the mythical Goan), is this not a close parallel of the contempt that one section of Goan (whether based on religion, caste or class) has long held for the other? Having a seat at the table while drafting the Constitution hardly guarantees some voice. I'm sure most of India itself feels run over by the powers that be -- the lobbies of capital, caste and class who know what they're doing and what they want, while the bulk of the population is quite powerless over their own fate. This is no excuse to pour scorn and ire on someone else attempting to feel superior. Those raising the 99% occupy slogans have probably understood the powerlessness of the masses more accurate than would an engineering mind accustomed to technical or simplistic solutions. If you want to be part of a wider reality, you have to pay the price for it. Ironically, Goans, who have been among the biggest migrants all time, are raising a hue and cry when others choose to exercise the same. And don't come up with this warped logic that Goans haven't ruined other people's homes, while they are ruining ours. The humblest-Goan-having-a-roof-over-his-head is a nice cry for conservativism, for taking us back to the decades when ours was a semi-feudal society. While we *do* have a lot of problems today (as we did yesterday too!) definitely more people are happy with what they can manage here than ever before. Being part of a wider reality has its own advantages. I would definitely not prefer a banana (coconut?) republic run by the Alemaos, Digus, Porrikars, de Souzas, Sequeiras, Bandodkars -- each playing their own game of settling scores with one section of the population or the other, based on caste, community or class. Transformation is not a mandated activity. (Unless you're Libya or Iraq, where the mandates come from your adopted land, millions of miles away.) Every rupee you spend here, every investment you make, pushes Goa in a certain direction. Are we also willing to take responsibility for our own actions? Lastly, are you willing to work as an editor in Goa, India? Or would you just like to spend time searching for the mythical home of the Aryans in some icy landmass? Yes, Goa has its problems... but your solutions are definitely worse than the illness! FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] The article that changed history
On 16 December 2011 19:12, J. Colaco jc
cola...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16207201
Anthony Mascarenhas July 1928: Born in Goa, 1930s: Educated
in Karachi
A post from May 2006:
*** BRIEfnCOUNTERS: A Legacy of Blood ... in Dhaka
Frederick Noronha (FN) fred at bytesforall.org
Sun May 28 07:53:52 PDT 2006
Mas-ca-ren-has? queried a curious Chat Ramilo, obviously
struggling with the many syllabyles of the name, as I showed
her the book cover. Given the Philippines' Spanish colonial
heritage, she might have found the name faintly familiar.
But, seeing it at Dhaka, Bangladesh obviously caused the
astonishment.
Actually, one wasn't personally surprised. Like Radharao
Gracias, the maverick legislator from South Goa, my hobby too
has been (or should I say had been?) to keep track of POGs
(people of Goan descent) across the globe, doing all kinds of
odd and unusual things.
When I saw Anthony Mascarenhas' book Bangladesh: A Legacy of
Blood at the Dhaka airport, I didn't think twice before
picking it up. That I wanted to get done with the few Taka
left in my pocket, before leaving back for home, further
convinced me to take along a copy of the book. It was priced
at Taka 490, and the Taka-Rupee exchange rate is roughly
ten-to-seven favouring the rupee.
Quite unexpectedly, it didn't end up in my collection of
unread books.
Maybe one has long underestimated how fascinating
contemporary history (particularly that pertaining to living
memory) can be to me myself. Maybe one was just bored and
had a lot of time to catch in between journeys (thanks to the
navy control of Dabolim and the few slots they allow for
incoming flights, in reality). Maybe it was just that
Anthony Mascarenhas writes so well, in a gripping
almost-cinematographic format.
As I waited through a four-hour delay for the Bangladesh
Biman to Kolkata, while rushing to catch the last evening
flight to Mumbai, and also while killing time till the
4:30 am check-in procedures start at the unearthly hour
for the flight to Dabolim, one kept reading. This
exciting story was another excuse to take a slow bus
home, and avoid adding to the (already heavy) load of
fossil fuel emissions. On reaching home, one was within
20 pages of finish!
Mascarenhas is a journalist of Goan origin, who was based in
Pakistan, went on a tour with the military, and was shocked
by what was going on in Bangladesh. He subsequently shifted
to the UK, wrote for some major papers there, and told the
story of what was going on in then East Pakistan. By some
accounts (using this term because I'm not sure), he was *the*
journalist who broke the story about the genocide in East
Pakistan.
There are differing perspectives of how many people were
killed in the civil war that led (with some nudging by India,
for its own geo-political interests) to the break up of
Pakistan and the formation of Bangladesh.
My colleague Partha Sarkar, who co-founded the crazy
experiment called BytesForAll almost seven years ago with me,
drew attention to the slaughter of Bangladeshi intellectuals
just before the Pakistani army moved out of that country.
But whether it was three million killed in East
Pakistan/Bangladesh (seen by some as an exaggerated figure)
or one million, the figure is huge enough to warrant serious
concern. If you keep in mind the five million Jews figure
of World War II, things fall into context.
This book is about how, after the break-up from Pakistan, the
Bangladeshis themselves ruined things for themselves. It
promises to reveal issues like who killed Mujib (many who
grew up in India in the 'seventies would find this a familiar
name), who was responsible for the jail killings, and how
General Zia was assassinated.
It is a shocking story of how Bangladesh went in for so many
coups in such a short period, the elected rulers ruined
things and betrayed aspirations, and how military men went in
for coup after coup.
Mascarenhas writes in a fascinating style. This book (Hodder
and Stoughton, UKP 4.95 net in the UK, ISBN 0-340-39420-X, pp
186, first published in 1986) is a follow-up to his 'The Rape
of Bangladesh', which I'm still waiting to read.
Says the cover: Anthony Mascarenhas, a veteran journalist,
has been closely associated with Bangladesh from the start of
its freedom struggle. In 1971, he left Pakistan to expose in
The Sunday Times the atrocities committed by the Pakistani
army in the province which is now Bangladesh. That article,
and his subsequent book, The Rape of Bangladesh, created a
world-wide sensation. In 1972 he won Granada's Geraldl Barry
Award ('What the Papers Say'), and the International
Publishing company's Special Award for reporting the genocide
in Bangladesh. After serving 14 years on The Sunday Times,
he is now a freelance writer.
Anthony Mascarenhas' work about Bangladesh is linked to quite
a few pages in cyberspace. In my favourite
Re: [Goanet] WENDELLL WE SHOULD DO IT OURSELVES: MEMORIAL TO MARIO MIRANDA
Wouldn't a better tribute be a school for cartooning bearing Mario's name, which would not only celebrate his achievements, but also give a chance for talent to grow out of Goa? FN On 16 December 2011 18:43, Gerald Fernandes cdoger...@yahoo.co.in wrote: I find myself in agreement with the thoughts expressed by Wendell that we should erect a Memorial to Mario Miranda without involving Digamber Kamat, CM of Goa, since Digamber has Mining blood on his hands amd Mario would not have liked it. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] A collage of public interest ad campaigns... by Sanjay
Ansuni, a collage of public interest ad campaigns by Sanjay, at Ruchika's ... now underway in Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6517046487/sizes/l/in/photostream/ -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] NEW BOOK: Goan Pioneers in Bombay... by Dr Teresa Albuquerque
Dear all: Some details from the table of contents of a new book by historian Dr Teresa Albuquerque (incidentally the grand-daughter of B.X. Furtado, well known for his early and pioneering work in printing and publishing, and the sister of the prominent editor late Frank Moraes) was released at a function at the Heras Institute, St Xavier's College on Dec 14, 2011. For a list of the writings of Dr Teresa (Email teresa...@gmail.com Phone +91-22-2649 9005 or mobile +91-9833340837) check out the Goa Book Club [ http://groups.google.com/group/goa-book-club/] FN GOAN PIONEERS IN BOMBAY Contents Preface vii PREAMBLE: Goa Through the Ages ix Under Dynastic Rule - Muslim Interlude - Advent of the Portuguese - Portuguese Conversion - Discrimination - Decline Causes Spurt in Migration - The Flight - Panic Mounts - The Diaspora 1 Bombay's Beginnings 1 Mumbai - Bombaim - Bombay 2 Finding their Way 9 Framji Institute / the Old Talao - Cavel - East Indians - Kudds 3 Early Professions 23 Seamen - Cooks Butlers - Ayahs - Bread makers - Tailors - Musicians - Coach-builders - Jewellers - Millworkers - Undertakers 4 The Rich and Famous 53 Rama Kamati - Merchant Princes of Mazagaon: Sir Roger de Faria - Sir Miguel de Lima e Souza - Sir Miguel de Quadros - Sir Braz Fernandes 5 Intellectual Stalwarts 71 Bal Shastri Jambhekar - Dr. Bhau Daji Lad - Dr. Gerson J. da Cunha - Sir Ramkrishna Gopal Bhandarkar - Kashinath Trimbak Telang - Sir Narayan Ganesh Chandavarkar 6 Eminent Physicians 85 Educational advance in Goa - Dr. Caetano Baptista de Rozario - Dr. Luis Philippe de Rozario - Dr. Sebastiao Antonio de Carvalho - Dr. Jose Camillo de Lisboa Dr. Anant Chandroba Dukle - Dr. Narayan Daji Lad - Dr. Antonio Manuel Constancio Coutinho - Dr. Andre Paulo de Andrade - Dr. Jeronimo Acacio da Gama - Dr. Acacio Gabriel Viegas - Dr. Manoel A. Heredia - Women Doctors Nurses 7 Some Notables 99 Wagle Bal Mangesh - Luis Jose de Souza - Luis Braz de Sa - Jose M. Gonsalves - Andre Constancio Augusto - Luis Mariano Gomes - Jose Nicolau da Fonseca - Bernado Xavier Furtado 8 Promotion of Learning 109 The Pioneers - Barreto School - Antonio de Souza School Other Missionary - Endeavours - Government Board of Education - Students' Literary Scientific Society - Wood's Despatch - the University of Bombay - Bombay Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society - Catholic Revival - St. Xavier's High School College - Anjuman-i-Islam 9 Goan Press and Literature 127 English language newspapers - Portuguese Press - Portuguese writers - Konkani Press - Konkani authors 10 Marathi Press and Literature 141 11 Early churches, priests 151 Padroado - Propaganda Controversy - Our Lady of Glory, Mazagaon - Our Lady of Health, Cavel - Our Lady of Salvation, Lower Mahim - St. Francis Xavier, Dabul - Canon Mariano Faria - Fr. Francisco Luis de Gonzaga d'Athaide - Fr. Anthony Pereira - Francisco Xavier Alvares 12 Welfare services 169 Gremio Lusitano - Amigos de Letras - Instituto LusoIndiano - Associacao Goanna de Mutuo Auxilio - Uniao Goanna - Maji Agbott Company - Goa Hindu Association of Bombay - Kitte Bhandari Association 13 Sports and entertainment 179 Aurora Borealis Club - Indo-Portuguese Hockey Team - Lusitanian Sporting Club - Early Theatre in Bombay - Goan Tiatr Select bibliography 189 Books . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 189 Journals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 Articles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 Unpublished theses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 About the Author 193 -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] An international conference... Goa 1961 and Beyond (Goa Univ, Dec 18-20, 2011)
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: GOA 1961 AND BEYOND An Intellectual Appreciation and Celebration of Fifty Years of the Liberation of Goa Co-organised by Indian Institute of Advanced Study, Shimla India Goa University Goa, India Centro de Estudos Sociais Universidade de Coimbra, Portugal Goa University, Goa, India 18-20 December, 2011 Conference Hall - Faculty of Social Science Goa University Registration: 9.00 to 9.35 am INAUGURATION 9.45 - 10.45 am Inaugural Session * Welcome Address: Prof. Dileep N. Deobagkar (Vice Chancellor, Goa University). * Introducing the Conference: Prof. Peter R. De Souza (Director, Indian Institute of Advanced Study, Shimla). * Address of the Guest of Honour: Prof. Basudev Chatterji (Chairman, Indian Council of Historical Research, New Delhi). * Keynote Address: Prof. Boaventura de Souza Santos (Director, Centre for Social Studies, Coimbra University, Portugal). Title: Development of Self-determination: How to decolonize the past without recolonizing the future? * Vote of Thanks: Parag D. Parobo (Department of History, Goa University) 10.45 to 11.00 am Tea Break 11.00 to 12.15 pm Plenary Session I C: Prof. Basudev Chatterji * A. Shahid Amin, ‘Making the Nation Habitable’ * B. Rukmini Bhaya Nair, ‘The Goa That Never Was: Jose Saramago’s Counterfactual Narrative’ 12.15 to 1.15 pm Lunch Break Note: Changes in the schedule if any will be displayed on a white board at the entrance. Note: The Inaugural Function, the Plenary Sessions (for the two days, 18-19th December, 2011) and the Session on Day 3 (9.30-10.30 am) shall be held in the Conference Hall, Faculty of Social Science, Goa University. All the Academic Session will be held simultaneously in the Halls 01, 02 03 at the Dept. of Management Studies, Goa University. Transport will be available to carry delegates and other participants to the Dept. of Management Studies, Goa University. IMPORTANT: Please confirm the programme against the PDF version, which has been text-converted here. More details from Parag Parobo goa1...@gmail.com --FN C: Chairman D: Discussant 1.15 to 2.45 pm session I Hall 01 C: Manish Thakur D: Seema Risbud THE BEGINNING OF THE END (OPERATION VIJAY AND THE END OF COLONIZATION) * Dalila Cabrita Mateus, ‘Goa and Satyagraha’ * Maria de Lourdes Bravo da Costa Rodrigues, ‘Dr. Salazar’s Attempt to Recover Goa’ * Nishtha Desai, ‘Liberation vs Armed Aggression the Media Response to Operation Vijay Hall 02 C: Savio Abreu D: Madhavan K. Palat PUBLIC LIFE OF HISTORY * Maria Paula Meneses, ‘A Kind of a Low Silence: Narratives of Nationalist Struggle in 1961 Mozambique’ * Ângela Xavier, ‘Past is Always Present. History and Identity in post-colonial Goa’ * Sidh Mendiratta, ‘New and Old ideas for Old Goa: The Gracias/Vassalo e Silva Conservation and Musealization Plan of 1960 and its Aftermath’ Hall 03 C: Pamela de Mello D: R. Benedito Ferrao QUESTIONING GOA'S DEVELOPMENT * Shaila de Souza, ‘Dynamics of Tourism Development and the Status of Women in Goa’ * Janet A. Rubinoff, ‘Fisheries Development in Goa: Transformation of Traditional Fishing Communities over 50 Years’ * Blanche Mascarenhas, ‘Evolution and Growth of Trade Unions in Goa during the post-Liberation Period’ Questioning Goa’s Development Hall 03 Public Life of History 2.45 to 3.00 pm Tea Break 3.00 to 5.00 pm Session II Hall 01 C: Amitav Gosh D: Madhavi Sardessai LITERATURE, POWER AND 'OTHERNESS' * Vishram Gupte, ‘Absence of an ‘Exile’ at the Centre of Goan Literature: Some Problematic Issues’ * Everton V. Machado, ‘Postcolonial Studies and Goan Literature in Portuguese: Limits and Challenges’ * Victor Rangel-Ribeirio, ‘The Liberation of the Colonial Mind in Goa, and the Literature that is Flowing from It’ * Damodar Mouzo, ‘How Liberated is Goan Literature?’ C: Alberto Gomes D: Gopal Guru Hall 02 I. IDENTITY HEGEMONY AND II. GENDER * Parag D. Parobo, ‘Rise of the Little Selves: Bahujan Samaj and the Political Space in Postcolonial Goa, 1961-2011’ * Cláudia Pereira, ‘Caste and post Colonialism – Comparing the Gaudde in Contemporary Goa and in “Signo da Ira”’ * Priyanka Velip, ‘Does Goa Listen to Tribal Women’s Voices?’ D: Jason Keith Fernandes Sachin Savio Moraes, 'Negotiating Male Migration: The Experience of Women in Goa'. C: Albertina Almeida D: Robert Newman Hall 03: VOICES FROM THE DIASPORA * Michelle Cahill, ‘From Silence to Rhetoric: The Poet As Ethnographer’ * R. Benedito Ferrao, ‘The Many Africa’s of Goa: Liberation and Literature in the Making of Subjectivity’ * Shubhro Michael Gomes, ‘The Forgotten Portuguese of Mirpur, A Study on their ‘Paribartan’ (transformation)’ * Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes, ‘The Role of Portuguese and British Colonialism in the Migration and Settlement of Goans in Britain.
Re: [Goanet] Re; Goanet
Dear Tony, Nothing will be held against Albert! We were neighbours in Saligao (and good ones at that!) In my younger days, we even served Mass together as altar-boys. Such relations go deep :-) FN On 14 December 2011 11:59, Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com wrote: Are you getting Fredparanoia Albert? Check your mail settings. Your goanet mail may be going to your spam, bulk or all mail folders If I am still a member of goanett I am not getting any mail. Why is the person incharge of goanett is not taking trouble of sending the mail to me ? I cannot understand as to why I am deprived of these mails. From the time this goanett started I have been getting mails regularly and only when Fredrick Noronha took over my mails stopped. I feel this is done on purpose or else what could be the reason for not getting the mails over last six months. If they do not want me to be a member please write to me . I will not bother to know about goanett.Albert de Souza alizadeso...@hotmail.com --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
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No question of senility. Albert has many plays to write yet, and Alfred has so much more to pen down too. FN On 14 December 2011 15:06, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: Perhaps the Chacha Senility Syndrone is getting on to a virulent virus? Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:59:23 +0530 From: tonyde...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Re; Goanet Are you getting Fredparanoia Albert? Check your mail settings. Your goanet mail may be going to your spam, bulk or all mail folders If I am still a member of goanett I am not getting any mail. Why is the person incharge of goanett is not taking trouble of sending the mail to me ? I cannot understand as to why I am deprived of these mails. From the time this goanett started I have been getting mails regularly and only when Fredrick Noronha took over my mails stopped. I feel this is done on purpose or else what could be the reason for not getting the mails over last six months. If they do not want me to be a member please write to me . I will not bother to know about goanett.Albert de Souza alizadeso...@hotmail.com -- **Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com ** --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] NEW BOOK: Goan Pioneers in Bombay... by Dr Teresa Albuquerque
Dear all: Some details from the table of contents of a new book by historian Dr Teresa Albuquerque (incidentally the grand-daughter of B.X. Furtado, well known for his early and pioneering work in printing and publishing, and the sister of the prominent editor late Frank Moraes) was released at a function at the Heras Institute, St Xavier's College on Dec 14, 2011. For a list of the writings of Dr Teresa (Email teresa...@gmail.com Phone +91-22-2649 9005 or mobile +91-9833340837) check out the Goa Book Club [ http://groups.google.com/group/goa-book-club/] FN GOAN PIONEERS IN BOMBAY Contents Preface vii PREAMBLE: Goa Through the Ages ix Under Dynastic Rule - Muslim Interlude - Advent of the Portuguese - Portuguese Conversion - Discrimination - Decline Causes Spurt in Migration - The Flight - Panic Mounts - The Diaspora 1 Bombay's Beginnings 1 Mumbai - Bombaim - Bombay 2 Finding their Way 9 Framji Institute / the Old Talao - Cavel - East Indians - Kudds 3 Early Professions 23 Seamen - Cooks Butlers - Ayahs - Bread makers - Tailors - Musicians - Coach-builders - Jewellers - Millworkers - Undertakers 4 The Rich and Famous 53 Rama Kamati - Merchant Princes of Mazagaon: Sir Roger de Faria - Sir Miguel de Lima e Souza - Sir Miguel de Quadros - Sir Braz Fernandes 5 Intellectual Stalwarts 71 Bal Shastri Jambhekar - Dr. Bhau Daji Lad - Dr. Gerson J. da Cunha - Sir Ramkrishna Gopal Bhandarkar - Kashinath Trimbak Telang - Sir Narayan Ganesh Chandavarkar 6 Eminent Physicians 85 Educational advance in Goa - Dr. Caetano Baptista de Rozario - Dr. Luis Philippe de Rozario - Dr. Sebastiao Antonio de Carvalho - Dr. Jose Camillo de Lisboa Dr. Anant Chandroba Dukle - Dr. Narayan Daji Lad - Dr. Antonio Manuel Constancio Coutinho - Dr. Andre Paulo de Andrade - Dr. Jeronimo Acacio da Gama - Dr. Acacio Gabriel Viegas - Dr. Manoel A. Heredia - Women Doctors Nurses 7 Some Notables 99 Wagle Bal Mangesh - Luis Jose de Souza - Luis Braz de Sa - Jose M. Gonsalves - Andre Constancio Augusto - Luis Mariano Gomes - Jose Nicolau da Fonseca - Bernado Xavier Furtado 8 Promotion of Learning 109 The Pioneers - Barreto School - Antonio de Souza School Other Missionary - Endeavours - Government Board of Education - Students' Literary Scientific Society - Wood's Despatch - the University of Bombay - Bombay Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society - Catholic Revival - St. Xavier's High School College - Anjuman-i-Islam 9 Goan Press and Literature 127 English language newspapers - Portuguese Press - Portuguese writers - Konkani Press - Konkani authors 10 Marathi Press and Literature 141 11 Early churches, priests 151 Padroado - Propaganda Controversy - Our Lady of Glory, Mazagaon - Our Lady of Health, Cavel - Our Lady of Salvation, Lower Mahim - St. Francis Xavier, Dabul - Canon Mariano Faria - Fr. Francisco Luis de Gonzaga d'Athaide - Fr. Anthony Pereira - Francisco Xavier Alvares 12 Welfare services 169 Gremio Lusitano - Amigos de Letras - Instituto LusoIndiano - Associacao Goanna de Mutuo Auxilio - Uniao Goanna - Maji Agbott Company - Goa Hindu Association of Bombay - Kitte Bhandari Association 13 Sports and entertainment 179 Aurora Borealis Club - Indo-Portuguese Hockey Team - Lusitanian Sporting Club - Early Theatre in Bombay - Goan Tiatr Select bibliography 189 Books . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 189 Journals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 Articles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 Unpublished theses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 191 About the Author 193 -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] An international conference... Goa 1961 and Beyond (Goa Univ, Dec 18-20, 2011)
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: GOA 1961 AND BEYOND An Intellectual Appreciation and Celebration of Fifty Years of the Liberation of Goa Co-organised by Indian Institute of Advanced Study, Shimla India Goa University Goa, India Centro de Estudos Sociais Universidade de Coimbra, Portugal Goa University, Goa, India 18-20 December, 2011 Conference Hall - Faculty of Social Science Goa University Registration: 9.00 to 9.35 am INAUGURATION 9.45 - 10.45 am Inaugural Session * Welcome Address: Prof. Dileep N. Deobagkar (Vice Chancellor, Goa University). * Introducing the Conference: Prof. Peter R. De Souza (Director, Indian Institute of Advanced Study, Shimla). * Address of the Guest of Honour: Prof. Basudev Chatterji (Chairman, Indian Council of Historical Research, New Delhi). * Keynote Address: Prof. Boaventura de Souza Santos (Director, Centre for Social Studies, Coimbra University, Portugal). Title: Development of Self-determination: How to decolonize the past without recolonizing the future? * Vote of Thanks: Parag D. Parobo (Department of History, Goa University) 10.45 to 11.00 am Tea Break 11.00 to 12.15 pm Plenary Session I C: Prof. Basudev Chatterji * A. Shahid Amin, ‘Making the Nation Habitable’ * B. Rukmini Bhaya Nair, ‘The Goa That Never Was: Jose Saramago’s Counterfactual Narrative’ 12.15 to 1.15 pm Lunch Break Note: Changes in the schedule if any will be displayed on a white board at the entrance. Note: The Inaugural Function, the Plenary Sessions (for the two days, 18-19th December, 2011) and the Session on Day 3 (9.30-10.30 am) shall be held in the Conference Hall, Faculty of Social Science, Goa University. All the Academic Session will be held simultaneously in the Halls 01, 02 03 at the Dept. of Management Studies, Goa University. Transport will be available to carry delegates and other participants to the Dept. of Management Studies, Goa University. IMPORTANT: Please confirm the programme against the PDF version, which has been text-converted here. More details from Parag Parobo goa1...@gmail.com --FN C: Chairman D: Discussant 1.15 to 2.45 pm session I Hall 01 C: Manish Thakur D: Seema Risbud THE BEGINNING OF THE END (OPERATION VIJAY AND THE END OF COLONIZATION) * Dalila Cabrita Mateus, ‘Goa and Satyagraha’ * Maria de Lourdes Bravo da Costa Rodrigues, ‘Dr. Salazar’s Attempt to Recover Goa’ * Nishtha Desai, ‘Liberation vs Armed Aggression the Media Response to Operation Vijay Hall 02 C: Savio Abreu D: Madhavan K. Palat PUBLIC LIFE OF HISTORY * Maria Paula Meneses, ‘A Kind of a Low Silence: Narratives of Nationalist Struggle in 1961 Mozambique’ * Ângela Xavier, ‘Past is Always Present. History and Identity in post-colonial Goa’ * Sidh Mendiratta, ‘New and Old ideas for Old Goa: The Gracias/Vassalo e Silva Conservation and Musealization Plan of 1960 and its Aftermath’ Hall 03 C: Pamela de Mello D: R. Benedito Ferrao QUESTIONING GOA'S DEVELOPMENT * Shaila de Souza, ‘Dynamics of Tourism Development and the Status of Women in Goa’ * Janet A. Rubinoff, ‘Fisheries Development in Goa: Transformation of Traditional Fishing Communities over 50 Years’ * Blanche Mascarenhas, ‘Evolution and Growth of Trade Unions in Goa during the post-Liberation Period’ Questioning Goa’s Development Hall 03 Public Life of History 2.45 to 3.00 pm Tea Break 3.00 to 5.00 pm Session II Hall 01 C: Amitav Gosh D: Madhavi Sardessai LITERATURE, POWER AND 'OTHERNESS' * Vishram Gupte, ‘Absence of an ‘Exile’ at the Centre of Goan Literature: Some Problematic Issues’ * Everton V. Machado, ‘Postcolonial Studies and Goan Literature in Portuguese: Limits and Challenges’ * Victor Rangel-Ribeirio, ‘The Liberation of the Colonial Mind in Goa, and the Literature that is Flowing from It’ * Damodar Mouzo, ‘How Liberated is Goan Literature?’ C: Alberto Gomes D: Gopal Guru Hall 02 I. IDENTITY HEGEMONY AND II. GENDER * Parag D. Parobo, ‘Rise of the Little Selves: Bahujan Samaj and the Political Space in Postcolonial Goa, 1961-2011’ * Cláudia Pereira, ‘Caste and post Colonialism – Comparing the Gaudde in Contemporary Goa and in “Signo da Ira”’ * Priyanka Velip, ‘Does Goa Listen to Tribal Women’s Voices?’ D: Jason Keith Fernandes Sachin Savio Moraes, 'Negotiating Male Migration: The Experience of Women in Goa'. C: Albertina Almeida D: Robert Newman Hall 03: VOICES FROM THE DIASPORA * Michelle Cahill, ‘From Silence to Rhetoric: The Poet As Ethnographer’ * R. Benedito Ferrao, ‘The Many Africa’s of Goa: Liberation and Literature in the Making of Subjectivity’ * Shubhro Michael Gomes, ‘The Forgotten Portuguese of Mirpur, A Study on their ‘Paribartan’ (transformation)’ * Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes, ‘The Role of Portuguese and British Colonialism in the Migration and Settlement of Goans in Britain.
[Goanet] Portugal in Salazar-times
PORTUGUESE FASCIST PROPAGANDA (WITH TRANSLATION) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKEKwWYmJEfeature=related Wonder if anyone saw this in Goa in those times, and what they thought of it then? (1940s). FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Mario Miranda, noted Goan cartoonist, is no more
Mario Miranda, noted Goan cartoonist, is no more. He passed away at 86. Mario, apart from being a very popular cartoonist, defined the way in which Goa was perceived by the outside world too. More about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Miranda An earlier tribute to his work here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GFJap31s0 FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Mario Miranda, noted Goan cartoonist, is no more
Mario Miranda, noted Goan cartoonist, is no more. He passed away at 86. Mario, apart from being a very popular cartoonist, defined the way in which Goa was perceived by the outside world too. More about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Miranda An earlier tribute to his work here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3GFJap31s0 FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] William de Curtorim
An unusual photo of William de Curtorim... http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/100774626/ FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Research... and writing on Goa
http://iias.org/goa/contents.html Abstracts CONTENTS Language Dynamics in the Classroom: the Agency of the Teacher and Language Planning AFONSO BOTELHO Rosary College of Commerce and Arts, Navelim, Goa Vistas on the Road from Portuguese Civil Code to Family Laws of Goa ALBERTINA ALMEIDA Advocate and Independent Researcher, Goa Soiled Blood: Indigeneity, Hybridity and the Portuguese Eurasians in Malaysia ALBERTO GOMES La Trobe University, Australia Moving the Self through Post-Colonial Spaces: the Gaude Jagor ALEXANDER HENN School of Historical, Philosophical Religious Studies, Arizona State University, USA Economic Transitions – Financial Growth and Consumption Outcomes AMITHA SHANBHOGUE, VISHAL CHARI, APARNA LOLAYEKAR, PRANAB MUKHOPADHYAY S.S Dempo College of Commerce and Economics, Panaji, Goa MES, College of Arts and Commerce, Zuarinagar, Goa D.M’s College of Arts, Science and Commerce, Assagao, Goa Department of Economics, Goa University, Goa Recreation and Memory: Goa, an Inexpugnable Place ANABELA MENDES Faculdade de Letras, Universidade de Lisboa, Alameda da Universidade, Portugal Past is Always Present: History and Identity in Post-Colonial Goa ÂNGELA BARRETO XAVIER Instituto de Ciências Sociais da Universidade de Lisboa, Portugal Margins of Desire: Sexuality, Historiography, Goa ANJALI ARONDEKAR Department of Feminist Studies, University of California, USA Conversion, Trauma and Memory Loss: Cultural Complexes in Contemporary Goa ANJALI D’SOUZA The Jung Center, Bangalore How Different are Goa’s Politics? ARTHUR G. RUBINOFF Professor Emeritus of Political Science, University of Toronto, Canada Dichotomy of the Representation: a Study of Historical Narratives of Goa BHAVESH KUMAR Research Scholar, EFL University, Hyderabad Evolution and Growth of Trade Unions in Goa during the Post Liberation Period BLANCHE MASCARENHAS St. Xavier's College, Mapusa, Goa Development of Self-determination? How to decolonize the past without recolonizing the future BOAVENTURA DE SOUSA SANTOS Director, Centre for Social Studies, University of Coimbra, Portugal Jurisdiction and Ownership of Communidade Lands: Threats and Challenges CAJETAN RAPOSO St. Xavier’s College, Mapusa, Goa Buried Heritage of Civil Law Traditions in Goa: Vision for 2011 and Beyond CARMO DE SOUSA Honorary Director, Ismilda Research Consultancy, Goa Caste and Post Colonialism – Comparing the Gaudde in Contemporary Goa and in “Signo da Ira” CLÁUDIA PEREIRA Instituto Universitário de Lisboa (ISCTE-IUL), Centro de Investigação e Estudos de Sociologia (CIES-IUL), Lisboa, Portugal Into the Mainstream: “Goa Lusophona” CONSTANTINO XAVIER Johns Hopkins University, USA Beyond Predicaments: Goan Writings on Identity and History CRISTIANA BASTOS Institute of Social Sciences, University of Lisbon, Portugal Goa and Satyagraha DALILA CABRITA MATEUS IHC [FCSH – New University of Lisbon] Researcher, Portugal How Liberated is Goan Literature? DAMODAR MOUZO Writer, Goa Does Goa have the Potential to Become the Future Excellence Hub in Asia for Learning and Teaching Portuguese? DELFIM CORREIA DA SILVA Department of Portuguese, Goa University, Goa Women’s Voices after 1961 EDITH MELO FURTADO Department of French, Goa University, Goa Postcolonial Studies and Goan Literature in Portuguese: Limits and Challenges EVERTON V. MACHADO Centre for Comparative Studies – Faculty of Letters – University of Lisbon - Alameda da Universidade, Lisbon, Portugal Elephant Imaginaries: Where the Wind Blows Stronger FELICIANO JOSÉ BORRALHO DE MIRA Researcher, Portugal Writing from many Frontiers: José Gerson da Cunha’s Historical and Journalistic Approaches to Past and Present Colonialisms (1870-1900) FILIPA LOWNDES VICENTE Institute of Social Sciences, University of Lisbon, Portugal Goa and its Elites: New and Old – a Look at how the Media has Built and Unbuilt Elite Perceptions in the Last Five Decades FREDERICK NORONHA Journalist and Publisher, Goa Pinking of Higher Education FREDA A. TAVARES Student of Sociology, Goa University, Goa Postcolonial and Gender Iconographies in the Goa Cartoons of Mario de Miranda GEORGE MATHEW P.G and Research Dept of English, Mar Ivanios College, Trivandrum, Kerala The Language Issue in Post-Colonial Goa: from the Standpoint of Modern Japanese Experience GIRI SUZUKI Taisho University, Tokyo, Japan Goa Em 1956: Colonial Resi-Stances and Contrapuntal De/Colonization Hi/Story GITIKA GUPTA Ph D Student, Institute of Portuguese Language and Literature of the Arts Faculty, University of Coimbra Title not mentioned ISABEL DE NORONHA Goan Tiatr and Macanese Theatre in Patuá: the Persistence
[Goanet] Research... and writing on Goa
http://iias.org/goa/contents.html Abstracts CONTENTS Language Dynamics in the Classroom: the Agency of the Teacher and Language Planning AFONSO BOTELHO Rosary College of Commerce and Arts, Navelim, Goa Vistas on the Road from Portuguese Civil Code to Family Laws of Goa ALBERTINA ALMEIDA Advocate and Independent Researcher, Goa Soiled Blood: Indigeneity, Hybridity and the Portuguese Eurasians in Malaysia ALBERTO GOMES La Trobe University, Australia Moving the Self through Post-Colonial Spaces: the Gaude Jagor ALEXANDER HENN School of Historical, Philosophical Religious Studies, Arizona State University, USA Economic Transitions – Financial Growth and Consumption Outcomes AMITHA SHANBHOGUE, VISHAL CHARI, APARNA LOLAYEKAR, PRANAB MUKHOPADHYAY S.S Dempo College of Commerce and Economics, Panaji, Goa MES, College of Arts and Commerce, Zuarinagar, Goa D.M’s College of Arts, Science and Commerce, Assagao, Goa Department of Economics, Goa University, Goa Recreation and Memory: Goa, an Inexpugnable Place ANABELA MENDES Faculdade de Letras, Universidade de Lisboa, Alameda da Universidade, Portugal Past is Always Present: History and Identity in Post-Colonial Goa ÂNGELA BARRETO XAVIER Instituto de Ciências Sociais da Universidade de Lisboa, Portugal Margins of Desire: Sexuality, Historiography, Goa ANJALI ARONDEKAR Department of Feminist Studies, University of California, USA Conversion, Trauma and Memory Loss: Cultural Complexes in Contemporary Goa ANJALI D’SOUZA The Jung Center, Bangalore How Different are Goa’s Politics? ARTHUR G. RUBINOFF Professor Emeritus of Political Science, University of Toronto, Canada Dichotomy of the Representation: a Study of Historical Narratives of Goa BHAVESH KUMAR Research Scholar, EFL University, Hyderabad Evolution and Growth of Trade Unions in Goa during the Post Liberation Period BLANCHE MASCARENHAS St. Xavier's College, Mapusa, Goa Development of Self-determination? How to decolonize the past without recolonizing the future BOAVENTURA DE SOUSA SANTOS Director, Centre for Social Studies, University of Coimbra, Portugal Jurisdiction and Ownership of Communidade Lands: Threats and Challenges CAJETAN RAPOSO St. Xavier’s College, Mapusa, Goa Buried Heritage of Civil Law Traditions in Goa: Vision for 2011 and Beyond CARMO DE SOUSA Honorary Director, Ismilda Research Consultancy, Goa Caste and Post Colonialism – Comparing the Gaudde in Contemporary Goa and in “Signo da Ira” CLÁUDIA PEREIRA Instituto Universitário de Lisboa (ISCTE-IUL), Centro de Investigação e Estudos de Sociologia (CIES-IUL), Lisboa, Portugal Into the Mainstream: “Goa Lusophona” CONSTANTINO XAVIER Johns Hopkins University, USA Beyond Predicaments: Goan Writings on Identity and History CRISTIANA BASTOS Institute of Social Sciences, University of Lisbon, Portugal Goa and Satyagraha DALILA CABRITA MATEUS IHC [FCSH – New University of Lisbon] Researcher, Portugal How Liberated is Goan Literature? DAMODAR MOUZO Writer, Goa Does Goa have the Potential to Become the Future Excellence Hub in Asia for Learning and Teaching Portuguese? DELFIM CORREIA DA SILVA Department of Portuguese, Goa University, Goa Women’s Voices after 1961 EDITH MELO FURTADO Department of French, Goa University, Goa Postcolonial Studies and Goan Literature in Portuguese: Limits and Challenges EVERTON V. MACHADO Centre for Comparative Studies – Faculty of Letters – University of Lisbon - Alameda da Universidade, Lisbon, Portugal Elephant Imaginaries: Where the Wind Blows Stronger FELICIANO JOSÉ BORRALHO DE MIRA Researcher, Portugal Writing from many Frontiers: José Gerson da Cunha’s Historical and Journalistic Approaches to Past and Present Colonialisms (1870-1900) FILIPA LOWNDES VICENTE Institute of Social Sciences, University of Lisbon, Portugal Goa and its Elites: New and Old – a Look at how the Media has Built and Unbuilt Elite Perceptions in the Last Five Decades FREDERICK NORONHA Journalist and Publisher, Goa Pinking of Higher Education FREDA A. TAVARES Student of Sociology, Goa University, Goa Postcolonial and Gender Iconographies in the Goa Cartoons of Mario de Miranda GEORGE MATHEW P.G and Research Dept of English, Mar Ivanios College, Trivandrum, Kerala The Language Issue in Post-Colonial Goa: from the Standpoint of Modern Japanese Experience GIRI SUZUKI Taisho University, Tokyo, Japan Goa Em 1956: Colonial Resi-Stances and Contrapuntal De/Colonization Hi/Story GITIKA GUPTA Ph D Student, Institute of Portuguese Language and Literature of the Arts Faculty, University of Coimbra Title not mentioned ISABEL DE NORONHA Goan Tiatr and Macanese Theatre in Patuá: the Persistence
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Re: [Goanet] CLEARING THE POLITICAL GARBAGE
Looks like just a case of ageism to me (on Aires' part, while the good doctor seems guilty of provocatively overdiagnosing here). It might seem tough to legally disallow more than one in a family from contesting. But what with the reality of politicians here bringing in their brothers, sons, daughters, cats, dogs and mice into politics? Can understand the (A)ire(s) here, but we need better legal advice on what a potential solution might be. Saying the voters should be more sagacious (or is it cautious?) in the choices they make is fine, but what happens when there is such a limited choice? Where Opposition can be as bad as ruling, and worse when it comes to power? And the ruling members only to happy to shift to Opposition and back, when there's a chance to get into power? FN On 10 December 2011 02:49, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com wrote: Those over the age of 65 should be put to pasture. Also under no condition should more than one in a family be allowed to contest. There should be no exceptions. COMMENT: The above post from Aires Rodrigues - as scripted - smacks of the following: 1: Prejudice 2: Bigotry 3: Ignorance 4; Arrogance 5: Dictatorship 6: Violation of Human Rights. Good thing that he does not live or practice law in the West or any area which has signed Human Rights Acts. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Lisbon’s rule over Goa unacceptable
Eric, this is not 2011! FN On 8 December 2011 19:19, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the official were either misquoted or misinterpreted. They are in a struggle to survive, and are more likely to ask India for assistance, rather than damage the amity of several decades. Little justifies the provocation, and the story is not credible. eric. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Should the Church or Priest dabble in politics? response to Nisser Dias
The word dabble is a loaded word. It presumes ab initio that the priest is doing something wrong by being where he is not meant to be. How would we respond to a question such as: should the common man dabble in the elections? (We would think this is a bizarre question, and rightly so.) My views are as under: * Popes, sadhus, Rasputins, St Joan of Arcs and men and women of the garb in diverse religious faiths have long dabbled in politics. In colonial times, the archbishop of Goa's post was an extremely political one, and nobody (at least not those on one side of the fence) saw no problem with that. The Renaissance Papacy is known for its forays into European power politics. The Holy Roman Empire and the history of its creation is too well known to need repetition, and goes back to the time of Charlemagne in 800 * To me, it all depends on what role the priests play. Are they doing something good for society? Are the taking us back in time, making us hate and suspect our neighbour, or unleash communalism in society? I would welcome the work of a Swami Agnivesh, but definitely not that of a VHP or RSS or HJS/SS (that speaks in the garb of religion), of an Archbishop Romero or Desmond Tutu but not of a Ku Klux Klan or one of those many conservative priests in today's Goa who help harness votes of the sheeps for the most dubious of Salcete (or other) politicians. As for Basilio Monteiro's argument below, why should we assume that priests are leaders, educators, voices of the public conscience... society's cry for justice, for peace, for development, for human progress and human dignity? They are only human and subject to all the frailities of being human. Likewise, there are good persons who may not have been priests. Added to this, in today's world, the fact is that the priest (particularly the secular or diocesan) seldom bothers too much about higher education. (Basilio is one of the few exceptions). In the past, the priest was about the most educated person in many villages. Not any more! I would say that priests have as much right as the average citizen to take a political stance. When it comes to harnessing the pulpit (or temple or mosque) for this purpose, they need to be very careful, and under supervision of their authorities. We know that there are quite a few freelancers who are known to play whatever political game suits them best. Priests too have a role to play in taking society forward; if they work to keep us divided, take us back to the 16th century, play on communal fears to harness votes for controversial politicians, or prefer to curry favour with the powerful rather than keep them in check... then definitely we should not only not welcome their role, but also challenge the stand they take (and maybe their motives for doing so). FN On 8 December 2011 23:39, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2011 17:19, basilio Monteiro basilio.monte...@gmail.com wrote: The priests in the Church play a unique role. They are leaders, they are educators, and they are voices of the public conscience, voices of the society’s cry for justice, for peace, for development, for human progress and human dignity. Should the Church and the Priests Dabble in Politics? YES. Why? Let us examine briefly what is the role of the Church and the priests in society. COMMENT: That was a nice powerful piece; Had the Church not intervened in many South American Communities, things would have gone from bad to worse... --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] FS: Boarding Party: The Last Action of the Calcutta Light Horse, by James Leasor, WWII espionage
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rachel Jagareski oldsaratogabo...@gmail.com Date: 8 December 2011 01:04 Subject: [b] FS: Boarding Party: The Last Action of the Calcutta Light Horse, by James Leasor, WWII espionage To: Bibliophile bib...@bibliophilegroup.com Dear Biblians: Today we are pleased to offer: Boarding Party: The Last Action of the Calcutta Light Horse, by James Leasor, London: William Heinemann, 1978, first edition. Foreword by the Earl Mountbatten of Burma. VG/VG (spine cocked, jacket lightly scuffed). 204 pages, index, photos. Author photo on rear jacket flap. ISBN: 0434410268. This book is about a little known World War II episode in the former Portuguese colony of Goa on the Indian subcontinent. During WWII Portugal was neutral, and a German ship, the Ehrenfels, was situated in the Goan harbor. British intelligence found out that the ship was relaying information about Allied ships to German U-boats, who sunk an amazing 46 boats in one month in 1942. The Brits recruited a posse of middle-aged reservists from the Calcutta Light Horse, whose previous military exploits consisted of boozing and parading, to sabotage the Ehrenfels. The Germans believed their ship had come under attack by British and helped along by false communiques, they believed Goa would be invaded so they themselves blew up two other of their own ships to avoid capture. This adventure was later made into a 1980 film, The Sea Wolves, starring David Niven, Gregory Peck, Trevor Howard and Roger Moore. Offered to the list for $20 postpaid via media mail to the U.S. WME. Will ship elsewhere. Thank you. Rachel Old Saratoga Books Dan and Rachel Jagareski, Owners 94 Broad Street Schuylerville, NY 12871-1301 USA Check out our bookstore blog: http://booktrout.blogspot.com www.oldsaratogabooks.com (518) 695-5607 oldsaratogabo...@gmail.com Store hours: Wed. through Sun. noon to 5 pm Eastern Standard Time --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] PHOTO: Goan diaspora youth... at Porvorim
NRI Affairs Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro with 11 youth from the Goan diaspora, drawn from various countries, currently on the Fourth Know Goa Programme, at the Assembly Complex, Porvorim, on December 6, 2011. Also seen are chief secretary Sanjay Srivastava, NRI Affairs Director UD Kamat, OEAG chairman Vice Admiral John de Silva, among others. Source: DI http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6468453033/sizes/l/in/photostream/ --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] LONDON: Talk: From Invisibility to Visibility: Africans in Portuguese Space (Dec 16)
-- Forwarded message -- From: shihan desilva shihan.desi...@sas.ac.uk Date: 1 December 2011 15:12 Subject: FW: Invitation to Canning House, Belgrave Square: Friday 16 December at 6.30 pm To: shihan desilva shihan.desi...@sas.ac.uk Talk: From Invisibility to Visibility: Africans in Portuguese Space http://www.canninghouse.org/index.php?option=com_acymailingctrl=urlurlid=113mailid=41subid=6382 From Invisibility to Visibility: Africans in Portuguese Space, by Shihan de Silva, author of 'African Identity in Asia' and 'The Portuguese in the East' African movement to Asia has gone on for centuries and many migrants have assimilated with the local populations. Within historical documents, Africans become conspicuous through their military role. Moreover, there are Afro-Asian communities today, separated by vast distances and hidden in the villages and forests of Asia. Through their vibrant forms of music and lyrics still in Portuguese, they emerge from obscurity. Concentrating on Africans who moved within Portuguese space in India, Sri Lanka, Macau, Timor, this presentation will highlight the way in which the migratory process took place and affected their lives. Dr Shihan de Silva is a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Commonwealth Studies (University of London) and a member of the UNESCO International Scientific Committee (Paris) Friday 16th December 2011 | Canning House, 2 Belgrave Square, London SW1 | 18.30-19.30 |Free event| Further details shihan.desi...@sas.ac.uk --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Photos of 1961...
Would anyone have photos of the end of Portuguese rule in Goa in 1961? Or if you know where these could be accessed, kindly let me know. Thanks! FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] PHOTO: Goan diaspora youth... at Porvorim
NRI Affairs Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro with 11 youth from the Goan diaspora, drawn from various countries, currently on the Fourth Know Goa Programme, at the Assembly Complex, Porvorim, on December 6, 2011. Also seen are chief secretary Sanjay Srivastava, NRI Affairs Director UD Kamat, OEAG chairman Vice Admiral John de Silva, among others. Source: DI http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6468453033/sizes/l/in/photostream/ --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] IFFI clashing with St. Xavier feast: GCWU petitions Sonia Gandhi.
Juino, is this part of the pro-BJP pre-poll campaign? FN PS: Not that I think Congress is any better! On 5 December 2011 10:14, juino desouza juinodeso...@gmail.com wrote: The Goan Catholic Welfare Union J.B. Villa, Park Street, B.B. Borkar Road, Alto Porvorim- Goa 403521 Tel: 2420394 , Mob: 09923133412 IFFI clashing with St. Xavier feast: GCWU petitions Sonia Gandhi. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Secularism, Goan Style...
This *is* secularism Goa-style, because: (i) A supposedly secular Congress government turns a blind eye to all of this, and the Opposition position on it is even more rich! (ii) In addition: The Goa Government had come under criticism after the incident for funding the outfit's daily Sanatan Prabhat through release of advertisements despite it propagating the idea of the Hindu Rashtra and writing against the minorities. http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp?filename=Ws130911Maharashtra.asp and http://twocircles.net/2009oct30/goa_government_was_advertising_sanatan_sansthan_paper.html (iii) All that is needed is a change of name or launching a new front, and all the hate-speech and campaigning can continue unabated. (iv) To add to it all, secular campaigners end up raising a hue and cry when someone sees a problem with the above. FN PS: And now, the Opposition in Goa is going about sending feast day greetings for the SFX feast! Some secularism this, I say! On 5 December 2011 00:32, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Goanet Administrator* Noronha, In what sense does this hate-filled Hindu extremist propaganda constitute Secularism, Goan Style? Do you regard Hindu Janajagruti Samiti as a Goan secular organization? Cheers, Santosh P.S. * - Please let me know if you are not a Goanet Administrator. 2011/12/3 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Hate-speech [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech] is not free-speech! Time for history to be left to historians, and for the State to take action against this obnoxious violation of Sec 153(A) of the Criminal Procedure Code [Section 153A. Promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion etc., and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony] See this Dec 3 post from the guys who were allegedly also trying to set up explosives at a narkasura celebration: http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/13112.html Pushing for an electoral polarisation? --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English : Why can't we all just get along?
This is getting both boring and childish. (i) I have a name, so please use it, if you wish. (ii) As I see it, I do not need either honorifics or patronisingly-bestowed prefixes or suffixes to my name. JC has also been using the word patracar in a similar vein. (iii) When I take part in Goanet debates, I'm not doing so in my role as a member of the Goanet Admin Team. If any of us speaks out on behalf of the Admin Team, we specifically sign the outgoing mail as such. So why attempt to confuse the roles? (iv) On 2011/9/27, I had written to you via another network My first name is not 'Admin'. FN On 3 December 2011 21:46, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks E. D'Sousa for this suggestion. Henceforth, I will call him Goanet Administrator, if he does not mind. Cheers, Santosh --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Goa and the Gramophone
Goa and the Gramophone India almost missed the hallowed Gramophone at the 54th Grammys this year. Not a single Indian artiste or one of Indian origin living abroad has been nominated. There is, but one desi connection, even though it may not be the proudest moment for Indian music. London folk outfit, Mumford and Sons’ song, The Cave, from the album Sigh No More (Universal Music), has been nominated in the ‘Record of the Year’ category. It was shot in the streets of Goa with four Goan musicians dressed in blue brass band uniforms. The video begins with the quartet that has Marcus Mumford, Ben Lovett, Country Winston and Ted Dwane, giving their instruments to the local musicians next to a quaint local beach, after which they ride the narrow streets of Goa on four scooters. The song begins with a chamber folk feel, as four reedy voices chime above a strong instrumentation. After the slightly ambiguous start, the vocals soar up by way of harmonies, apart from the interesting horn arrangements, to reach a frenzy over the banjo and trombone as the Goan musicians join in (only in the video). Blending inner brooding with lyrical spirituality, the song, with an ethereal four-part harmony, works well. With aggressive lyrics, the album, that is being pitted as a strong contender, has been nominated alongside this season’s favourites like Adele, Bon Iver, Bruno Mars and Katy Perry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYGccOizj7Ifeature=player_embedded#! FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] FW: Invitation to Canning House, Belgrave Square: Friday 16
Talk: From Invisibility to Visibility: Africans in Portuguese Space http://www.canninghouse.org/index.php?option=com_acymailingctrl=urlurlid=113mailid=41subid=6382 From Invisibility to Visibility: Africans in Portuguese Space, by Shihan de Silva, author of 'African Identity in Asia' and 'The Portuguese in the East' African movement to Asia has gone on for centuries and many migrants have assimilated with the local populations. Within historical documents, Africans become conspicuous through their military role. Moreover, there are Afro-Asian communities today, separated by vast distances and hidden in the villages and forests of Asia. Through their vibrant forms of music and lyrics still in Portuguese, they emerge from obscurity. Concentrating on Africans who moved within Portuguese space in India, Sri Lanka, Macau, Timor, this presentation will highlight the way in which the migratory process took place and affected their lives. Dr Shihan de Silva is a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Commonwealth Studies (University of London) and a member of the UNESCO International Scientific Committee (Paris) Friday 16th December 2011 | Canning House, 2 Belgrave Square, London SW1 | 18.30-19.30 |Free event| Further details shihan.desi...@sas.ac.uk --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Fwd: MOI- will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
About the MGP supporters I cannot speak, because I do not know the circumstances of the case. Was it a caste or class battle? To me, your disdain for diversity is reflected in your criticism of networks where The Other (however these be defined) seem to predominate. If you had to make such comments uniformly about all groupings (even though the argument of seeing identity primarily in religious terms is basically flawed), I would have accepted your concerns more easily. How is one's personal faith (or lack of it) a relevant issue? Do you decide about the religion of the posters to Goanet (over 98%) on the basis of their names and surnames? Would this necessarily reflect their religious positions? Why are you obsessed with religious divides alone, when it is a fact that we are made up of multiple, simultaneous identities (gender, class, caste, language, region, age, skin-colour, etc)? Why do you pick and choose names and facts selectively to gain credence for your theories on the above basis? I think it is a rather imagination-rich creative interpretation of facts to see Mario Goveia as a secular catholic driven out from Goanet. Many people have left and joined us over the years. Why do you not shed tears for any ones with Catholic-sounding names? If what you say is true, why do a number of practising Catholics find Goanet too secular, or feel the need of other networks (like the Catholic-Goan Network, for instance)? You also seem to be dangerously trying to overlap Hindu and independent-thinking Catholic with support for the BJP. At the end of the day, I think it boils down to the high envy levels among some against a 17-year-old volunteer-driven experiment in alternative communication. One that has reshaped communication (particularly among the Goan diaspora, but also a small but significant section back home). So much so, that some would like to discredit Goanet, if they can't damage it. Whisper campaigns can cause suspicions; but people do know how to read between the lines. Please participate in discussions on a regular basis, if you would like not to be seen as someone just shift a few votes and influence public opinion at election time (like the ads before previous elections that appeared in newspapers here). FN PS: The BJP or MGP are not the only two demonic political parties. The Congress is tougher to deal with, because it is a chameleon and claims to be secular. Smaller regional parties have proven to be little more than feeder channels for the Big Two parties when they fall short of MLAs. What we need is an alert citizenry who would not see politics merely as a voting-once-every-five-years duty, and one which cannot be manipulated to suit the narrow electoral interests of the parties that -- yes -- *dominate* us! --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Lies and video-tape by our Goans
Melvyn, If you really want to go beyond imputations and allegations and do something positive for *The Sixth Night*,why not write a review of it and post it to Goanet? Eddie mentioned something about you submitting a review to GoanVoice.org.uk. As we known, the Goan Voice model is to compile pointers to already-published Goa-related articles available online (and I too find this an interesting model). If you have a review of *The Sixth Night* (or any other Goa publication), and it has not yet been posted to Goanet, please post it. To criticise others for what they have not done is very easy. The challenge is to light a candle ourselves, no? FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI- will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
Dear Dr Desai, I like the way you marshalled your facts to lead upto a certain point. I would still think your labelling some institutions as Catholic dominated and others as not Hindu dominated does indeed betray bias. Why does the average Goan (and the highly educated Goan too) continue to think in the paradigm of the 1960s or worse still, the sixteenth century? Personally, I think that prioritising a religious identity over all other identities we possess (gender, class, race, caste, language, skin colour, blood group etc) is part of the identity of communalism. And, of course, we can selectively pick and choose facts to make our case, but I would prefer not to stray into that game. As the election 'vaaro' hots up for 2012, I guess we can only expect more of this to come our way, both at Ground Zero in Goa and in cyberspace! FN On 4 December 2011 15:55, anil desai anild...@gmail.com wrote: That Goanet is catholic dominated is a statement of fact.You are much closer to Goanet being one of the Administrators and Moderators. So, please answer the following questions: What is the religion of the owner of goanet? What percentage of the moderators are catholic? What percentage of contributors to Goanet are catholic? Why are Hindu contributors who try to contribute regularly driven out? e.g. Anand Virgincar, Chinmay Bhandare. Why are secular catholics such as Mario Goveia driven out from Goanet? Why are people like Carmo(I believe that is his name) who supported Parrikar and the BJP pilloried on this forum? --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Wanted: translators
Wanted, contacts of literary translators who can translate novels from any Indian language into foreign languages (including Portuguese or Spanish). Or translate even English literary texts into foreign languages. If interested, please contact Anupama Raju raju.anup...@gmail.com -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Translations...
Can someone help me to build this list of translators, please? It is so important for a multilingual society like Goa. We are currently discussing it at http://groups.google.com/group/goa-book-club : * Sometime back, I had got a quote for Spanish-English translations from Delhi Minni Shawhney minnisawh...@yahoo.com * Architect-musician in Margao Ze Carlos Gracias translated the biography on Aquino Braganza, which we published: zecar...@rediffmail.com * Marise D'Lima is at the Goa University (Portuguese) and we have often spoken about the need for more translations happening, which she agrees to: marise.dl...@gmail.com * Augusto Pinto of Moira, despite being Africa-born (or because of it?) is a very classy Devanagari Konkani to English translator. His rendering into English is very neat, maybe because he is more familiar with English. He should be able to work with the Romi script too. pinto...@gmail.com * Isidore Dantas, a retired bank officer based in Mumbai/Pune, has helped me with quite a few translations from English to Romi Konkani, at the early stages of attempts to set up a Konkani Wikipedia. isidordan...@yahoo.co.in * For Kannada-English translations, R Rao BS rrao...@gmail.com 9886366453 B.V.Kishore Kumar 9880415328 editor...@yahoo.com Nirmala Mary nirmala...@gmail.com FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Why Goa-related books sell and do not sell - personal impression
On 4 December 2011 19:25, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: There were a number of stalls. During our 2 hours in stalls' area, not a fly visited the book stall whereas the sausages and pickles were selling like hotcakes (so to speak). Assuming your experience reflects a wider reality, at best you could conclude that Goans *who attend a expat festival overseas* are more inclined to buy more of sausages and feni rather than books. But even that might be debatable. Anyway, your experience is not sufficient for us to draw a wider conclusion that Goans as a whole won't buy books, or won't read. (Even just reading is good enough for me...) On the contrary, my experience since 2007 suggests something very different. Of course, pricing the book aptly, making it easily available (we are still struggling here), packaging it well, and choosing a good (preferably non-fiction) topic makes a big difference. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Say it... in Konkani (FN, in GT)
Hi Angela, Agreed with what you say. Goa might be a better place from where to pick up such movies and music CDs. (Video-films or CD-based films are more popular and widespread than mainstream films here, for the obvious reason that few of the latter get produced.) JoeGoaUk has been compiling useful lists of VCDs available in Konkani. If the producers had subtitled these, they could play a useful role as a languge-learning tool too. Looking forward to more of your sketches on Goanet! FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 5 December 2011 09:45, Angela Ferrao angelafer...@gmail.com wrote: I like a lot of your posts. Especially the ones that are about Goa. As someone who lives out of Goa I am always hunting for things related to Goa. Do you know how hard it is to find movies, tiats, music in konkani in major shops? you will find the most obscure indian language, but not konkani. Regards. Angela --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Why Goa-related books sell and do not sell - personal impression
JC, Thanks for conferring me on expertise in a field where I don't claim to have it. Yes, I have been a longtime collector of Goa-related books (if given the license to brag a bit, over 1500 in my home collection when I last stopped counting, but far fewer than Eddie Fernandes of course). In addition, one has been applying some ideas from the world of Free Software to a certain kind of alternative publishing here. But apart from that, I'm still learning and clearly have a long way to go. Even from my limited experience of the past four years, I would tend to disagree with your analysis though. According to me (and I'm open to correction), below are some of the significant reasons why books don't sell (and incidentally I'm not just pointing fingers, because we at Goa,1556 have made our fair share of mistakes too): * Lack of awareness of a book -- few reviews happening still. * Lack of effective distribution networks -- in Goa, rest of India, overseas. * Incorrect pricing. * Unappealing packaging. * Not reaching the target audience. * Not easily available in bookshops and non-bookshop spaces. * Fiction and poetry can be tough to draw attention to. I'm presuming that quality per se would not be an issue. Anyone who spends so much time and energy in writing a book would mostly know what they're in to. Being anti-Portuguese, anti-Indian, anti-Catholic or anti-whatever is not an issue. There is always a market willing to read anti-something books. Salman Rushdie didn't lose out on readers for the stands he takes, nor did Priolkar (The Goa Insquisition). An even more extreme example is Adolf Hitler's 'Mein Kampf', which mysteriously gets repeatedly often in India itself. Going to experts is not necessarily helpful. Some individuals have themselves learnt the job, and done well. Vasco Pinho's books are one example. Then too, you can get expert advice for free or next to free, if you know whom to ask -- for instance, I myself learnt the rudimentary principles of book publishing from a National Book Trust (New Delhi) course that set me back by a princely Rs 500! Even Cecil Pinto, whilst we jostle in cyberspace, has helped gratis with designing the Goa,1556 logo and some of our early covers. I'm not saying don't-pay-if-you-can, but a good idea will somehow find the route to surface, whether you have the money or not. I agree fully on c below. We should not expect a fellow Goan to buy a book just because it is written by another Goan. Book-buying is not charity; it is an economic decision. We should make an attractive offer. Lamenting that Goans don't buy books is futile; are we giving them good enough reason to read? When it comes to constructive criticism, let's acknowledge that there is a lot of subjectivity in this field. One man's food is another's poison. You can take on a lot of the work yourself, if strapped for resources (or if you feel you can do it well). I feel though that cover-design should be assigned to a professional -- even if you have to beg for help (we do!), or someone who has a good sense of aesthetics. Secondly, trying to edit/proofread your own writing can be a disaster. At the very least, give it to someone with a good eye for detail; second- and third-readings help a lot. So do fourth- and fifth-readings, though time is always in short supply. We have gained and learned a great deal from veterans like Goanetter Victor Rangel-Ribeiro on this front (and have more to learn). Publishing a book is not an end in itself. I would disagree with your suggestion (e) below. It needs to get visible and possibly become viable too (or as close to it as possible, using a range of sources for making it viable if possible). This is the test of a job well done. Lastly, all this talk about Goans not reading, about them being more interested in feni and sausages rather than books, is just loads of crap. Every book has its own set of readers. Finding them is the challenge. Pricing the book well, and making it easy to buy is an even bigger challenge. Not being able to find the readers is a hint that we're getting something wrong; or not working smartly enough or hard enough. Just because we have a whole lot of market inefficiencies (and 'broken links') in the scattered market that is Goa and her diaspora, let's not blame the reader unfairly. I agree, it's a challenging situation. But don't overlook the other side of the picture. To conclude: my visiting Sri Lankan friend MJR David (one of the key players at the Kothamalee radio station and part of the BBC Sinhala service) was just this evening commenting over how many books-in-print Goa currently has. Definitely no other part of India of comparable dimensions would have as many. Twenty years back, you could choose from five or 10 to 15 easy-to-buy books. Today, some bigger bookshops have a choice of upto 300 books on Goa, and there are many more if you dig deeper! So, the issues might be more complex than it seems... FN On 3 December 2011 21:46, J.
[Goanet] Overillumination ...
Even in our villages, we have an over-illumination problem. At Sonarbhat (Saligao, where I live), some roads have been flooded with halogen. Others are dark, and some weeks back we've been facing daily half-hour powercuts. Talk of priorities! This is what Chryselle D'Silva wrote on Facebook: QUOTE Spending St. Xavier's Feast fighting with law and order (!) to not let an electric high-mast with stadium-type lights be erected right outside our house. This (bright lights), according to our neighbours will eradicate the visibility of prostitutes, beggars, vagrants and the drunks who stumble by old Panjim after midnight. Yeah, right. If only bright light were the solution to all our problems... Why can't they just repair the broken streetlights instead? Part 2 of the 'fight' happens this afternoon when our local MLA will come to assess the situation. God help him (and us)... ...So we had a 'meeting' with Manohar Parrikar and local residents at the site. Parrikar said, I'll make sure the light doesn't come into your house. And that should be the end of our objections, according to him. When I asked him the logic behind having such an expensive system in place when just repairing or installing a few more streelights would be sufficient to illuminate the place, he said, I don't understand why you should object to other people having light. !!! Trying to explain the effects of over-illumination (including increased stress, increased anxiety, insomnia, the environmental effects on birds and bats, damage to nocturnal ecosystems - which have a cascading effect on all of us) to this so-called IIT graduate was pointless. I'll come to your house one day to explain this, he said. We told him we had the time right then to listen to the explanation, but he was too busy making chit-chat with the hangers on. END QUOTE -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Secularism, Goan style...
Hate-speech [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech] is not free-speech! Time for history to be left to historians, and for the State to take action against this obnoxious violation of Sec 153(A) of the Criminal Procedure Code [Section 153A. Promoting enmity between different groups on grounds of religion etc., and doing acts prejudicial to maintenance of harmony] See this Dec 3 post from the guys who were allegedly also trying to set up explosives at a narkasura celebration: http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/13112.html --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
May I say it here too, that neither Admin nor FN is my first name. FN are my initials (which I use sometimes *instead* of my name and definitely don't mind if people call me that), and as for what honorofic titles I deserve is best left to someone who can disagree less disagreeably in public. Now that shouldn't be rocket science for Scientist Helekar, or should it? FN On 1 December 2011 20:29, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Admin Noronha had told me in the Secular Goa forum that his first name was not Admin. So I switched to calling him FN Noronha in that forum. But he is an Admin on Goanet, and has never disavowed that appellation here. He deserves that honorific title in this forum. I have no idea why Gabe chose to abuse me when I had not provoked him personally in any way. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
This is a good duck doc! You were eloquent in your reluctance to answer... FN On 1 December 2011 04:34, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: re #2: While I try not to involve anyone else's children or grandchildren (or spouse) in GN discussions - unless they are public figures, I will answer your question thus: Suffice it to say that NONE of my children had to take the TOEFL exam in order to study at UK/US universities. Me, earlier: One question: JC, do you speak to your children and grandchildren in Konkani or a foreign language? What do you consider your own and your children's mother tongue? I also wonder how others in the diaspora see this issue. It does throw up interesting questions, about the assumptions we make. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI - will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
Dear Dr Desai, While ignoring the flame-baits and all attempts to personalise the debate, I would like point to the politics of your language. * Pseudo-secularist has been effectively used as a cover for communalism by the majoritarian party which is today blocking dissent space by claiming to be the Opposition. * Catholic-dominated is a reflection of a certain disdain for diversity. (By the same logic, would you define Goa as Hindu-dominated? Never mind the fact that treating religious communities as monoliths is self-delusionary at best or an attempt at deliberately creating confusion in the debate.) My point is that election once in five years, fought on polarised lines, are not the best indicator of what the citizenry wants. Everyone is voting with their feet, when they go to English-medium schools. For politicians to stake the future of the State and rabble rouse over this is understandable. But for an educated person, to lend justification to this thinking? Did you feel the same when you were a proud student (I guess) of Loyola's Margao [http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg23390.html] Or do you feel that only that lesser plebians deserve no access to an English education? As for your last query, the attempt to banish English from Goa's primary education is a gift from both writers in our regional languages (who believe the best way to promote a language is to push it down the throat of a reluctant populace) and also the PDF khidchi, with our beloved Tayee Shashikala Kakodkar as education minister, and a whole lot of honourable others (Churchill Alemao, Luis Proto Barbosa, etc) making use of their brief stint in power to feather their own nests. You will find one interpretation here: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2011-April/207622.html Regards, FN Dear Shri Noronha, First of all, I thank you for your gentlemanly response to a serious point that I made refraining from the usual BJP, saffron references that are good to score amongst atheist catholics and other pseudo-secular( a term invented by Advani, by the way) contributors to this catholic dominated forum. Your first two statements show the problem with your logic.In the first post you say that the support for English is near universal and yet in the second post you ask whether such issues are best sorted by the tyranny of the majority. Can you see the problem in this? As a communist, your reference to democracy as tyranny of the majority is understandable.. You would rather have the decision of a 'politburo' than democratic support of majority of the citizens voting at an election. By the way can you inform us all as to which government decided that Goan children should have primary education in a local language and secondary education in English? Was it Kangress? Was it UGP, UGDP, SG? --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI - will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
This is really where all that contempt for neo-learners of English and foreign languages lead us to... willy-nilly. FN On 30 November 2011 13:00, anil desai anild...@gmail.com wrote: This was reported in the Herald today. Anil Desai BBSM demands govt’s dismissal for violating High Court order BBSM demands govt’s dismissal for violating High Court order TEAM HERALD teamher...@herald-goa.com PANJIM: Bharatiya Bhasha Suraksha Manch (BBSM) Tuesday mounted an attack on State Government, demanding its dismissal for violating High Court order, on Medium of Instruction (MoI) issue. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Gonzaga Coutinho from Lisbon ... via YouTube
Feedback to Gonzaga Coutinho: gonz...@netcabo.pt Gonzaga Coutinho - Shangrilá http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvfXBkAPg-U Gonzaga Coutinho e Sónia Shirsat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj9zvqWpOTk Don Kallzam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZXBmucINE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZXBmucINE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBDvM7hiO8 Gonzaga Coutinho - Rajan Ani Prema http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMC8bWoYXWM Gonzaga Coutinho - Ya Ya Mayaya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy7VW_9MPPs Gonzaga Coutinho acordeonista moçambiqueno, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24vq2wbaAZw Gonzaga Coutinho e seu grupo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6r7p7xZfck Gonzaga Coutinho e Rui Veloso - Garota de Ipanema http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjyq3lvXvjQ Gonzaga Coutinho - Menino de Bairro de Zinco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkwbvuR1HiM Gonzaga Coutinho e Ivan Lins cantam Sucedeu assim de Tom Jobim... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Dt1GlE8HY Don't appreciate it because it's Goan. Appreciate it because it's good! -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
On 30 November 2011 04:27, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: c: Interesting that FN asks, in one breath: 'What makes English a foreign language?' and then refers us to the TOEFL scores 'specially in places like Goa'. As arguments, these are good... but I don't know where this logic takes us. One question: JC, do you speak to your children and grandchildren in Konkani or a foreign language? What do you consider your own and your children's mother tongue? I also wonder how others in the diaspora see this issue. It does throw up interesting questions, about the assumptions we make. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI - will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
On 30 November 2011 16:48, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Having said that, I fully understand your indignation at Anil Desai's post. To corrupt my argument with his usual saffroni masala and tumeric paste is not a new trick. For the record, I fully support the Goan Catholic's desire to learn in the English medium. My only point is that learning must be robust and aided in every respect by the government and not left to the faulty methods of aging grandparents or nannies. (1) It is not a Goan Catholic desire. The desire is near universal, and widely seen all over Goa, regardless of religion or class and caste, not excluding the Anil Desais. (2) From Standard V onwards, in Goa itself, education is conducted 99% through the medium of English today. The ire against primary medium education in that language is about political, if not communal, motives. (3) The State *is* aiding in every respect education in what Santosh calls the foreign language of English. The politicisation at the primary level is a post-1991 development. On what basis could anyone claim that the task is being left to aging grandparents or nannies? (4) Learning any language has to be a mix of one's own initiatives, support structures in the form of non-official or non-profit institutions, for-profit initiatives, and official support. We can't depend on the last alone, and if we feel this is a priority need to work on it. Some are already earning a little by teaching English or other foreign languages, for instance: http://www.esl-languages.com/en/adults/learn/english/goa/india/index.htm http://www.iegoa.com/ http://goa.click.in/classifieds/education-learning/1/74/language-classes.html http://www.global-english.com/travel-teach-english-in/India/ http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/goa/coaching-training/coaching-tuitions/spoken-english/539.htm http://www.asklaila.com/search/Goa/Goa%20velha/Learn%20english/?searchNearby=falsev=listing Not sure how effectively these work though... FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI - will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
On 30 November 2011 22:47, anil desai anild...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest to you that one way of making that decision democratic would be to put it in the party manifesto for the next elections in Goa. We would all then know if a majority of Goans support this idea. Doctor, Are you suggesting that such issues are best sorted out by the tyranny of the majority? Ideally, elections could be taken as a reflection of public opinion. (By that yardstick, Congress is today still more acceptable than BJP, god forbid!) But you know the reality in Goa. Way back since the first elections in 1963, politics has been fought largely on communally-tinged lines. The MGP did it, the UGP did it (less successfully). I won't blame the BJP alone, even the Congress plays its (less-apparent, somewhat less potent, one could argue) communal games. So did the Goa Congresses, the UGDPs, and others in their own ways. The GLPs were more regionalistic, but unsucessful to build a coalition across religion and caste though they might have not shown bias on this front (other than anti-migrant bias). What it would take is some section of the media drumming up public opinion (they have already being doing so), and showing the aspiration for learning English out to be the ogre threating Goa. I think there should be scope for all points of view and aspirations in a non-majoritarian democracy. That would mean accepting English too, even if our friend Santosh dubs it a foreign language. (It incidentally is as foreign as the religion, clothes, food and furniture of a large section of Goa and its diaspora -- cutting across many more obvious divides.) Anyway, even if we accept this questionable logic, what is a good definition of judging what is democratic? That 99% of students choose to study through the English-medium from Standard V (middle school, secondary school, higher secondary, college, university) in all and every part of Goa today? I don't agree with your logic. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] MOI - will Kangress dare put their preference for English in the election manifesto?
On 1 December 2011 00:00, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Frederick, You are being a contrarian for the sake of it. This brings to mind a Konkani saying loosely translated to mean, you can't change the tail of a dog not even if you shoot it through a cannon. I have run out of steam to debate any further. The attitude of Goans in any case can best be described by another famous Konkani saying, loosely translated as whose father, what goes. So I end with bon noite from W. Drayton. Selma, hang on! Don't quit so fast... It's not even night here (okay, these are relative terms)... leave aside Drayton. Anyway I need to bug you some more, as I've been very successfully doing these days: the shot it through a cannon bit is totally fictional or a figment of someone's imagination. As Jerry Pinto would say, you cannot translate anyhow and call it a loose translation... a crime I am myself often guilty of. Contrarian-ly yours, FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Hi Eugene, I think this entire engineered debate was a conspiracy to get unsuspecting you to read Selma's book. Finally! If that was really the case, I would definitely give full marks to Selma, and withdraw all my charges, insinuations, allegations, aspersions, etc, etc about her possibly being elitist in her attitude towards the humble folk trying to learn English in today's Goa. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org On 29 November 2011 13:12, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the book on my bookshelf is beckoning me to read it again ;-( Should I or should I not is my dilemma. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
All good arguments, but veering off the point. A few issues struck me while reading this: * What makes English a foreign language? National boundaries? Its origins? How does this tie up with its current position in India, where it is used as an associate national language? * Also, what about these facts: Today there are more non-native than native users of English, and English has become the linguistic key used for opening borders: it is a global medium with local identities and messages (Kachru 1996: 11,14). English has become a world language, spoken by at least 750 million people. It is more widely spoken and written than any other language, even Latin, has ever been. It can, indeed, be said to be the first truly global language. English is nowadays the dominant or official language in over 60 countries. http://www.languageinindia.com/may2003/annika.html * How do you define one's primary language? In places like Goa, does this tally with the official language (both in terms of script and dialect)? * Is the presumption that we don't have to teach one's kids grammatically and lexically when it comes to their own mother tongue. Does the process of language acquisition among children vary according to what they claim as their relationship with a local, national or foreign language? This raises a whole lot of issues, specially in places like Goa, where those who are capable have picked up English to near mother-tongue levels (the TOEFL scores and Dr Kurzon's work has studied that). The challenge is what happens to those still struggling to pick up those skills. Do we treat them with disdain, charity, condescension or hope? FN On 29 November 2011 23:52, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: I noticed that, using the well-honed skills of distortion and incomprehension, Admin Noronha has now left far behind the simple reasonable suggestion on the need to teach one's kids grammatically and lexically correct English, especially if one adopts this foreign language as one's primary language, rather than one's own mother tongue. Instead, the Admin has migrated far and wide looking for some kind - any kind - of moral high ground, into faraway places such as Texas and Drayton, and onto distant topics such as racism, elitism, exclusivism and class bias. So before he finds Nazism from his standard deck of cards to play on any topic of discussion on Goanet, or gets lost further in the wilderness, let me tell you that people in Texas do not speak Queen's English. They speak the Texan variant of English. But the important thing from the standpoint of drawing the correct analogy to the situation described by me in this thread is, I am yet to find any native Texan who shuns his mother tongue and tries to speak Konknni, instead. If I find such a Texan, I will make an analogous suggestion to him/her, namely, that he/she should try to learn and teach his/her kids the correct Konknni grammar and lexicon. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] I bees childish but I want to know...
Selma, I don't want to get into a dog-fight over this one. My actions are out there for everyone to see; if someone feels it is inconsistent, so be it! In addition, I don't want to go about justifying my stands re. Venita Coelho, Jerry Pinto or Cecil Pinto. Personally, I don't feel the need to be defensive about anything. Beyond that, it is for every reader, and you, to judge. Anyway, you have made your point on how you perceive the standard of English in Goa today (or among a section of Goans). In response, I've made my arguments over why I refuse to be pessimistic. In between, I got distracted and started enjoying *Why this kolavery kolavery di*. Terrible! Anyway, we need not debate our respective points ceaselessly. And I'm not suggesting that your motives are superficial or morally compromised. All that I'm saying is that my perspective on this issue varies drastically from yours. That's fine. Such perspectives can co-exist. Neither need be wholly correct or fully wrong too. If you feel hurt over the debate, then you have an apology from me. (Actually, I wouldn't have felt this way. We are all elitist and detached from realities -- not necessarily due to geography alone -- at some time or another. Anyone following the Regional Plan-panchayat debate going on in Saligao currently might not be inaccurate from suggesting that I am myself detached from realities here itself!) Going off at a tangent, my sincere thanks to the Goanetter who took my query of yesterday quite seriously, and responded to say that cut-and-paste in Konkani would best be rendered as: kator ani chittkai. Thanks to everyone who had the patience with this debate; I've made my point, and am willing to smoke the peace pipe. For now. FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Why this Kolaveri di? Or, the shape of English to come in India today and tomorrow....
... or the shape of English to come in India today and tomorrow (regardless of the wagging fingers of a Selma or a Santosh)... My belief is we shoot ourselves in our collective foot, with arguments like (i) the standard of English used in Goa is abysmal or worse than it was (ii) don't use English if you can't learn it well, or teach it to your kids properly or even (iii) Konkani is tough to learn, and so on. At the same time, the facts are as under: * Goans, despite their largely non-English colonial traditions, took to English big time in the past. They cashed in on their knowledge, and made good use of it. They were teachers all over India, and in the diaspora, including in Vassanji's novel. My mother informally taught English to the Brazilians in the 1950s in a tiny shed outside our home (if I picked up the family lore right) * Some of the early big names in journalism and advertising across India were from Goa, thanks to their early encounter with English. Think of Frank Moraes, or all those Goan gurus in the ad world. Instead of castigating others who might have been left behind, the question is -- how do we up standards here and now? * Everyone may not be equally adept at the language, but that's little excuse to poke fun, or browbeat anyone into surrendering their opportunity to try and learn the language. * Other, traditionally non-English cultures have been reshaping their encounter with English is most unusual (and, may I add, creative... though the purists would obviously disagree) ways. One example is from the recent hit, *Why this Kolaveri di?* More about it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDITz7g-s8U http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_This_Kolaveri_Di What Selma seems as the incorrect use of English, to me is the creative reconstruction of the language. We need a Goan Kolaveri Di! I am quick to buy in to the line of thinking of a Chinua Achebe, the Nigerian writer, who incidentally has been pro the use of English in contemporary Africa (unlike, say, the Kenyan Ngugi wa Thiong'o). In my view, the way English is today being used in India (and Goa) gives us the chance to move away from this very dilemma he points to: For an African writing in English is not without its serious setbacks. He often finds himself describing situations or modes of thought which have no direct equivalent in the English way of life. Caught in that situation he can do one of two things. He can try and contain what he wants to say within the limits of conventional English or he can try to push back those limits to accommodate his ideas ... I submit that those who can do the work of extending the frontiers of English so as to accommodate African thought-patterns must do it through their mastery of English and not out of innocence. At the end of the day, let's accept language for what it unfortunately continues to be, specially in places like Goa -- a tool for maintaining hegemony, defining what is right and wrong, and who is kosher and who's not! I feel pained when otherwise well-intentioned people fall into this trap to. To each his/her own (English, even if you call it a pidgin)... Why this Kolaveri di? FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] OLDPHOTO:MUMBAI: Mohammadi Mahal at the Junction of Kalbadevi Road Girgaon
Thanks for that Desmond! Please note, it is not my work though. Over the years, my expertise in cut-and-paste is growing (not that I necessarily look down on this field of creative endeavour). Just yesterday, at the esteemed Cafe Prakash, we were wondering if an apt translation for this kind of work would be (i) kator ani dossoi (ii) kator ani pankoi or (iii) kator ani tenkoi. Now could we have some inputs from the language gurus out there (including experts of the Queen's tongue, since complex multicultural translation issues are involved here)? :-) Have a nice day! FN On 29 November 2011 11:44, Desmond Fernandes desha...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Fredrick! Can I just say a big THANK YOU for all your efforts on the Goanet site. This picture resource of Mumbai is brilliant! Thanks again. Desmond On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Frederick FN Noronha wrote: Between St Xavier’s College and Metro Cinema is a Grade-III heritage structure known as Jer Mahal. A cluster of six buildings and an annexe, it represents the finest example of a whole style of vernacular Indian architecture. It has even been called ‘Bombay’s most beautiful chawl’. A Goan cultural hub, Jer Mahal accommodates 50 Goan clubs on its premises at Dhobi Talao. These clubs have been around for over a century; the oldest one can be traced back to 1857. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Goan music... via Portugal
Dia 24 Nov 2011 - R.T.P. - Portugal no Coração. - Gonzaga Coutinho YaYa Mayayahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy7VW_9MPPsfeature=share Rajan ani Prema http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMC8bWoYXWMfeature=share -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] LINK: An early Goan lithographer in Bombay... Jose M Gonsalves
Lithograph of the Marine Battalion at the Esplanade by Jose M. Gonsalves (fl. 1826-c.1842). Plate 4 from his 'Lithographic Views of Bombay' published in Bombay in 1826. Gonsalves, thought to be of Goan origin, was one of the first artists to practice lithography in Bombay and specialised in topographical views of the city. In 1772, the English feared an attack on Bombay by the French and cleared a semi-circular area of land around the fort to provide a clear line of fire. This area was known as the Esplanade. In the southern section of this area, there was a parade ground known as Marine Lines. This view shows a battalion soldiers on parade with military bungalows in the background. http://oldphotosbombay.blogspot.com/2011_09_28_archive.html -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Selma, you're shifting the goalposts to justify your earlier post. These are two very different issues here: Jerry Pinto is faulting India's bestselling author for writing in sloppy English. You are targetting the underdog (a subaltern Goan, and most likely a first-generation learner of English, or someone forced to go to a Konkani medium primary school) for not knowing the Queen's English. I would agree to quite some extent with Jerry. FN On 27 November 2011 03:28, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you posting this link. I especially liked Jerry Pinto's impassioned plea and I totally agree with the two points he makes, “I don’t mind changing the language. What really gets to me is if you change it not with rigour and purpose but by the virtue of being plain lazy, and the other more important point , language makes us human.. But the most important point being made is that it is not just snobby, disdainful expats putting forward this debate on Goan forums but worthies in India debating it. What makes a debate authentic, what makes points and observations valid? Does it depend on our geographical location? I think people should rise above the morass of constantly creating exclusion - this is just old wine in a new bottle. The idea of a dominant group and a peripheral group with fewer rights and liberties. And the fact that fairly progressive people adhere to such ideas in Goa is perhaps what is most shocking in the end. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Selma, I don't want to personalise this debate, because it is not about Selma or Venita, Goans or expats. It's about perceptions and arguments based on accuracy. Just some responses: (1) I disagree with Venita's view that Goans need to know better Hindi. Why? Those who need it will learn it, others can manage life fine without it, and will probably invest in other languages. Overall, languages are an assets. But nobody can tell someone else *what* they should know, what they should be learning, and how proficient they should be in which language. That is for each individual to decide. So, someone deriding the current English-language skills of a section of Goans is as unhelpful, in my view, as Konkani protagonists shoving the language down the throats of reluctant schoolkids and their parents. (2) Incidentally, I do circulate or publish a lot of articles which I don't agree with. Even books. This is essential for debate. Everyone has a right to make their own arguments. Yet, at the personal and individual level, I will continue to disagree with views I don't agree with, whether these are put forth by friends or otherwise. To extend that, I'd also agree with a rational, well-argued point of view even if it came from someone I personally dislike or otherwise don't get on with. Issues need to be separated from personalities. (3) It is not my perspective that all Goans return to the Goa promised land. I assure you that I'm no Theodor Herzl [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl] and I don't see Goa as a kind of Zionist state! What I do believe in is that (i) everyone, regardless of ethnic origins or geographical situation, has a right to join the debate, make a point, and present their views on Goa (ii) each view needs to be judged on its own merit (iii) anyone giving tall talk needs to place their money where their mouth is (iv) nobody has the right to make an illogical argument dressed up in propah English ... and get away unchallenged. This is in the interest of productive and fair debate. (4) As far as changing goes, yes, we are morphing all the time, and suspect it's more due to overwork and exhaustion rather than what you call success. I'm used to having brief honeymoon phases with authors and writers, but, as in real life, this sours when they see our delays on our part, an inability to always offer what is expected, or simply with the passage of time :-) Time, as they say, wounds all heels. As far as self-righteousness goes, since as long as I can recall I've been undeniably blessed with more than my fair share; as for infallibility, my dream at the age of seven was to be Pope! Fortunately, life has its own logic... FN On 27 November 2011 14:18, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Even if your interpretation of Jerry's point was accurate, which it is not, the larger point is that you insist on disenfranchising viewpoints purely because they belong to non-resident (some like me only temporarily non-resident) Goans. And you use this rebuttal every time regardless of its appropriateness. To illustrate: about a year ago Vinita Coelho had made exactly the same point in the Herald, that because Goans speak not only poor English but poor Hindi as well, they do not fare well in the job market outside of Goa. At the time, you had taken the liberty of circulating her article on various Goan forums. I can only presume you did this because you agreed with her or at the very least respected the point she was trying to make. On the other hand, you felt the need to turn the point I was making into a disparaging assault on me and accuse me of elitist snobbery. You seem to uphold certain ideals; the most constant being the need for Non-Resident Goans to give up their livelihoods and return to Goa. Unfortunately, mass humanity doesn't work like that. Migration is an essential element of survival and integral to the evolution of the human species. Blame it on the first homo-sapien who left the plains of Africa and went in search of food elsewhere. As an old friend, let me in sum say, that of late you have changed. While the confidence that success has brought you is attractive this sense of infallibility and self-righteouness is not. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
On 27 November 2011 22:53, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Jia munxeank tanchi avoibas soddun English ulovnk zai tanni sarki English xikpachi ani ulovpachi dhasdus korunk zai. Komitkomi tanni aaplea bhurgeank bori English xikovnk zai. Dotorbab, Maka tuji preskripshun somzona! Ami sogle Ingliss shikle ten'na, akosmat amche basha sudharli kai kitem? Mujhi xamaiachi bhoinnak, ponnas vorsam fatti, Ingliss ulopak ye-natli. Amkam Konknni ulopak ye-natle. Magir, sokas-sokas, donui sideantlean, ek pul staphan zalo. Mat'tso sovkas voch reh baba. Sogleakoddea Ranichi Ingliss eka rati bitor shokaya zauchena, xannobab! Tenka babdieak matche vell di. Amchem Goenkar lok, ek dis, ekdom borem Ingliss shiktolem ... Tu mhojem xobdh Matthew, Mark, Luke ani John kore ani poloi. Tuka Teksaschean ought to, ought to munpak sopem. Pun he soglem kaam hangasor konn kortolo reh baba? Borem Ingliss uloipi lokk sogle Drayton ani Teksasak gele. Kai nozo... yea vorsan noi tor fuddlea vorsan amchem kaam jerur zatolem. Here is a general suggestion that I would like to make to those who want to know what I or anybody else is saying on any topic on Goanet. Upkar korun Goanetacher ami kitem boroilam tajer Mukhel Karmachari Noronyache kainch aikunaka. Tajem borovop visvas dovorpa sarkem kennach nasta. Konn aikona ghelyar upkarta. Punn sogleanni (dotor suddha) uktem monn doron vachlear, hanv ekdom khushi astolo. Tuje shobdhachi yaad korpak, hanv khala kator-ani-gomm-lai (adhikrut Micro$oft transilashun) kortaum: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg83156.html It looks like the fair point that Selma has tried to make, Admin Noronha has chosen to misunderstand. The point is not that Goans should not speak English in a Konknni accent or use transliterated Konknni expressions when they are speaking English as a second language. The point is two-fold: 1. When Goans learn English they ought to learn it properly in terms of its grammar and vocabulary. They ought to have teachers that teach it properly. 2. If they decide to use it as their primary language at home, in school and at work, and shun their native Konknni or Portuguese or whatever, then they ought to learn to speak it properly, or at the very least make certain that their kids do so. It is absolutely true that if you do not know how to express yourself at a minimum level of proficiency in what you yourself regard as your primary language of expression, then you are unlikely to be able to think complex thoughts, and indeed, learn and discuss anything of substance. Cheers, Santosh --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] LINK: An early Goan lithographer in Bombay... Jose M Gonsalves
Lithograph of the Marine Battalion at the Esplanade by Jose M. Gonsalves (fl. 1826-c.1842). Plate 4 from his 'Lithographic Views of Bombay' published in Bombay in 1826. Gonsalves, thought to be of Goan origin, was one of the first artists to practice lithography in Bombay and specialised in topographical views of the city. In 1772, the English feared an attack on Bombay by the French and cleared a semi-circular area of land around the fort to provide a clear line of fire. This area was known as the Esplanade. In the southern section of this area, there was a parade ground known as Marine Lines. This view shows a battalion soldiers on parade with military bungalows in the background. http://oldphotosbombay.blogspot.com/2011_09_28_archive.html -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Lest some of our readers feel they're becoming victims, once again, to Goan exclusionism and snobbery in its varied forms, permit me to do a creative and freewheeling translation of the text below: 2011/11/28 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com: Dotorbab, Maka tuji preskripshun somzona! Ami sogle Ingliss shikle ten'na, akosmat amche basha sudharli kai kitem? Mujhi xamaiachi bhoinnak, ponnas vorsam fatti, Ingliss ulopak ye-natli. Amkam Konknni ulopak ye-natle. Magir, sokas-sokas, donui sideantlean, ek pul staphan zalo. Mat'tso sovkas voch reh baba. Sogleakoddea Ranichi Ingliss eka rati bitor shokaya zauchena, xannobab! Rome was not built in a day. Hold your horses, guys. Goans will learn English, and learn it well. Just give 'em some time. Tenka babdieak matche vell di. Amchem Goenkar lok, ek dis, ekdom borem Ingliss shiktolem ... Tu mhojem xobdh Matthew, Mark, Luke ani John kore ani poloi. You please mark my words on this... Tuka Teksaschean ought to, ought to munpak sopem. Pun he soglem kaam hangasor konn kortolo reh baba? Borem Ingliss uloipi lokk sogle Drayton ani Teksasak gele. Kai nozo... yea vorsan noi tor fuddlea vorsan amchem kaam jerur zatolem. Why have all the Goan experts in the Queen's English simply migrated to Texas and Drayton? Upkar korun Goanetacher ami kitem boroilam tajer Mukhel Karmachari Noronyache kainch aikunaka. Tajem borovop visvas dovorpa sarkem kennach nasta. Konn aikona ghelyar upkarta. Punn sogleanni (dotor suddha) uktem monn doron vachlear, hanv ekdom khushi astolo. Following a doctor's advice can be hazardous to your health: I'm fine if you don't *listen* to me on this forum. Just *read* me: plaintext would do fine. Have an open mind, keep your specs firmly on your nose, and see if there's anything sensible in what I say. (Hint: you might be surprisedso don't look too hard.) Tuje shobdhachi yaad korpak, hanv khala kator-ani-gomm-lai (adhikrut Micro$oft transilashun) kortaum: This is a cut-and-paste on what Santosh-said-he-said so that you don't get confused with what I-said-he-said-but-he-said-he-didn't. Typically Goan, nah? Enjoy! Am off to bed. FN http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg83156.html It looks like the fair point that Selma has tried to make, Admin Noronha has chosen to misunderstand. The point is not that Goans should not speak English in a Konknni accent or use transliterated Konknni expressions when they are speaking English as a second language. The point is two-fold: 1. When Goans learn English they ought to learn it properly in terms of its grammar and vocabulary. They ought to have teachers that teach it properly. 2. If they decide to use it as their primary language at home, in school and at work, and shun their native Konknni or Portuguese or whatever, then they ought to learn to speak it properly, or at the very least make certain that their kids do so. It is absolutely true that if you do not know how to express yourself at a minimum level of proficiency in what you yourself regard as your primary language of expression, then you are unlikely to be able to think complex thoughts, and indeed, learn and discuss anything of substance. Cheers, Santosh --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Hey doc, your class bias is showing! I wouldn't judge anyone on their ability (or lack of it) to speak English. Or any other language for that matter. Guess there are other, deeper qualities which we need to look for in decent human beings! FN On 28 November 2011 03:45, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: 6: I briefly remembered the subject Foo wil tiich during the church service last night. There were a number of 'amche folks' (really nice chaps) from 'on bode the sheep' who were offering Piss to us. We offered 'Peace in return. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] OLDPHOTO:MUMBAI: Mohammadi Mahal at the Junction of Kalbadevi Road Girgaon
Between St Xavier’s College and Metro Cinema is a Grade-III heritage structure known as Jer Mahal. A cluster of six buildings and an annexe, it represents the finest example of a whole style of vernacular Indian architecture. It has even been called ‘Bombay’s most beautiful chawl’. A Goan cultural hub, Jer Mahal accommodates 50 Goan clubs on its premises at Dhobi Talao. These clubs have been around for over a century; the oldest one can be traced back to 1857. Each floor accommodates 3 to 4 clubs, along with a single kitchen and a bathroom. Today, the clubs are characterised by broken walls, protruding cable wires and worn out arches. http://oldphotosbombay.blogspot.com/2011/10/mohammadi-mahal-at-junction-of.html -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] re Foo will titch our chillren English?
Eugene, I'm sorry, but I did not realise you were asking the question without checking the imprint. If I had, I would have not made you go into the wilderness. Anyway, ghara yo baba, Goa needs you! FN On 26 November 2011 16:32, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: The answer to my quest as to who edited Selma's Into the Diaspora Wilderness lay in the book itself. I did not check the publisher's page when I began reading the book because I knew who the publisher was. As I was reading Just Matata, a new book by Braz Menezes, I, for some reason, went back to Selma's book. As I opened the book and went to page ii I noticed the credits.Besides other things, it said Copy editing by Pamela D'Mello. Just why didn't the author or the publisher bring this to my notice instead of making me go into the wilderness for this bit of information? I normally read the ACKNOWLEDGEMENT page if there's one but Selma's book doesn't have one. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Independence? Was: GOVERNMENT OF INDIA TO ISSUE POSTAL STAMP TO MARK 50 YEARS OF GOA?s INDEPENDENCE
Independence? Goodness gracious! That would make Mr Naik sound like a certain Colaco in Macau! Since the word independence has connotations of its own (e.g. India or Kenya became independent from Britain), wouldn't a more accurate term just be the end of Portuguese colonial rule in Goa? FN Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:51:14 +0200 From: SHANTARAM NAIK shantaram...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] GOVERNMENT OF INDIA TO ISSUE POSTAL STAMP TO MARK 50 YEARS OF GOA?s INDEPENDENCE SHANTARAM NAIK M.P. 2137, Near Swami Math, Gogol, Margao, Goa 0832-2759555 --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] To add to the debate on English
Cecil, The debate below is about obscenely best-selling authors twisting the English language out of their laziness, or without any method to their madness. The debate on English in today's Goa is quite another thing. If I'm being accurate here, it saw Selma faulting Goans back in Goa (probably first generation learners) for speaking poor quality English, with others joining in (was it Santosh Helekar?) to suggest that if they can't speak English well they (meaning, these sections) should probably stick to Konkani. At least, that is how I understood things... So how does the Tata Festival debate add to the Goanet discussion? Needless to say, I'm not being critical for the sake of being so (actually, I did appreciate the points made, specially by amcho Jerry Pinto, and even tried to look for a video report online). But it just had me confused somewhat as I think the two discussions have very little in common ... apart from the involvement of English in contemporary India in both cases. Please correct me if I understood things wrong. FN On 26 November 2011 22:51, Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_take-liberties-with-english-dont-outrage-its-modesty_1608140 Take liberties with English, don't outrage its modesty Published: Sunday, Nov 6, 2011, 10:30 IST | Updated: Sunday, Nov 6, 2011, 0:48 IST By Rito Paul | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA It was an ambush. There is no other word to describe the panel discussion on ‘Taking Liberties with Language: How far can the English Language be stretched by Indians’ at the Tata Literature Live festival --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Postal services and rates... some pointers from Goa
--- Goanet Classifieds --- Enescil, a Brazilian engineering firm requires Engineers, Architects and Draftsmen, proficient in AutoCAD, for their new office in Goa Those interested can email enescil@gmail.com by 15 November 2011 Selected candidates will be sent to Brazil for 2 months training --- * List of post offices with PIN (postal index number) code and telephone numbers in Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402151299/sizes/l/in/photostream/ * Rs 12 for a speedpost letter (anywhere in Goa), within 50 gms Also phone contacts of the main post office http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402151315/sizes/l/in/photostream/ * Rough calculator for international postal rates from India http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402228893/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Hope you find this useful! FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Postal services and rates... some pointers from Goa
* List of post offices with PIN (postal index number) code and telephone numbers in Goa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402151299/sizes/l/in/photostream/ * Rs 12 for a speedpost letter (anywhere in Goa), within 50 gms Also phone contacts of the main post office http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402151315/sizes/l/in/photostream/ * Rough calculator for international postal rates from India http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/6402228893/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Hope you find this useful! FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] Goa... making music news
--- Goanet Classifieds --- Enescil, a Brazilian engineering firm requires Engineers, Architects and Draftsmen, proficient in AutoCAD, for their new office in Goa Those interested can email enescil@gmail.com by 15 November 2011 Selected candidates will be sent to Brazil for 2 months training --- * SunburnGoa2011, Dec 27, 28, 29, 2011 at the Candolim beach. 3 days, 7 stages, 90 artists Including Gabriel Dresden, Nic Fanciulli, Tocadisco, Above Beyond, Pete Tong, Skazi (DJ set), Axwell, Markus Schulz, Infected Mushroom. http://www.sunburn.in * Asha Bhosle enters Guiness World Records, for the most single studio recording sessions -- 11,000 solos, duets and chorus backed songs in over 20 Indian languages since 1947. Asha is sister to Lata Mangueshkar, and both trace their roots to Goa. Her 11,000 songs would take 38.1 days to play, and would fit into 11 iPod Shuffles. Hum Goa ka Jenny Nahin -- Free MP3 song download http://bit.ly/va8JR9 [Lyrics not the best!] * Kingfisher Voice of Goa 2008 Tavia Machado has surfaced with her own song *Your Love*, produced by Jazz Goa, and available for free download at http://www.jazzgoa.com featuring Warren D'Mello on classical guitar and Colin D'Cruz on fretless bass. Music arranged by Colin to include concert flute, piano, orchestral strings, drums, percussion and an entire church choir. SOURCE: SoundBox Nov 2011 -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet-News] History Hour | Awakening to the Indian Film Theory | Gaston Roberge
--- Goanet Classifieds --- Enescil, a Brazilian engineering firm requires Engineers, Architects and Draftsmen, proficient in AutoCAD, for their new office in Goa Those interested can email enescil@gmail.com by 15 November 2011 Selected candidates will be sent to Brazil for 2 months training --- History Hour | Awakening to the Indian Film Theory | Gaston Roberge Time 30 November ·2011 17:30 - 19:30 Location Xavier Centre of Historical Research B B Borkar Road, Alto-Porvorim, Goa 403521. Created by: Xavier Centre of Historical Research More info In this age of fierce globalization it is high time that we formulate 'The Indian Film Theory', a theory that informs the films that Gaston Roberge calls Indian folk-movies, seen and enjoyed more than once by millions of Indians over a long period of time. Roberge will discuss the reasons why that theory has not been formulated so far, the main reason being the class mentality. He proposes a pedagogy of the media oppressed comprising seven steps of self-education for liberation. Fr. Gaston Roberge SJ is an acclaimed media critic and film scholar. Having pursued an MA in Theatre Art (Film), University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), Fr Roberge, in collaboration with Satyajit Ray, founded the Chitrabani — the only independent film library in Kolkata. He has authored several books and contributed with many articles to different publications on cinema. His book Communication Cinema Development: From Morosity to Hope won the National Award (special mention) at the 46th National Film Festival of India in 1999. Fr Gaston Roberge SJ continues to be senior most faculty member at the Department of Mass Communication and Videography at St. Xavier’s College, Kolkata. He is one of the pioneers who initiated, cultivated and nurtured the film academia in this country. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=205680299507390 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Advani, BJP, a former BJP man, and mining... (Tehelka)
AS ADVANI drives from one state to the next, his message is the same. He gives gathered crowds facts on the stash of black money lying in overseas accounts. These are facts he claims to have got from a Washington, DC, based think-tank. He urges the throng to take a vow to eschew black money and bring home that is lying abroad. The template messaging is not without its surprises. As he enters Goa, a Congressruled state, where a former BJP man is chief minister, and faces charges of corruption and of facilitating illegal iron-ore mining, he resorts to copybook cricket. In a move that surprises the BJP unit in Goa, Advani does not take on the Congress government there. He reads out earnest statistics on black money, but chooses to call mining a larger malaise. “We were expecting him to take on the Congress government in Goa head-on,” mutters a BJP functionary in Goa, but all one gets to hear is a statement that goes, ‘Legal mining too is suffering from illegal mining’.” Prasad calls it deliberate action, so as not to pre-empt the report on illegal mining in Goa, which is yet to be submitted. The logic is difficult to fathom. The BJP had to remove one of its strongest regional chieftains, Yeddyurappa, following a mining scandal. Why then would it want the Congress to get away in just such a context in Goa? http://www.tehelka.com/story_main50.asp?filename=Ne19YATRA.asp --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Digital stories ... from Siolim
Just in case you didn't see it earlier http://gocreat.blogspot.com/ -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] History Hour | Awakening to the Indian Film Theory | Gaston Roberge
History Hour | Awakening to the Indian Film Theory | Gaston Roberge Time 30 November ·2011 17:30 - 19:30 Location Xavier Centre of Historical Research B B Borkar Road, Alto-Porvorim, Goa 403521. Created by: Xavier Centre of Historical Research More info In this age of fierce globalization it is high time that we formulate 'The Indian Film Theory', a theory that informs the films that Gaston Roberge calls Indian folk-movies, seen and enjoyed more than once by millions of Indians over a long period of time. Roberge will discuss the reasons why that theory has not been formulated so far, the main reason being the class mentality. He proposes a pedagogy of the media oppressed comprising seven steps of self-education for liberation. Fr. Gaston Roberge SJ is an acclaimed media critic and film scholar. Having pursued an MA in Theatre Art (Film), University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA), Fr Roberge, in collaboration with Satyajit Ray, founded the Chitrabani — the only independent film library in Kolkata. He has authored several books and contributed with many articles to different publications on cinema. His book Communication Cinema Development: From Morosity to Hope won the National Award (special mention) at the 46th National Film Festival of India in 1999. Fr Gaston Roberge SJ continues to be senior most faculty member at the Department of Mass Communication and Videography at St. Xavier’s College, Kolkata. He is one of the pioneers who initiated, cultivated and nurtured the film academia in this country. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=205680299507390 FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] ......And BTW When and Where is the Next GOANETTERS DAY in Goa
Tony, would you take on the initiative for making this happen please? Remember the first law of volunteering: if we suggest something, we should be willing to do what is needed to make ithappen. FN On 22 November 2011 12:42, Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com wrote: The month of December is round the corner and time for Christmas, shopping and fun and frolic. It's time also for the Goa Sudharop meeting Let us hope that it is time for the Annual Goanetters Day too, and for heavens sake, let it happen In the Capital of Goa, Panjim, Alias Ponjje or Panaji (Would have said Cidade de Goa, but desisted lest it be mistaken for that resort) --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
