Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa Message

2012-01-15 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Venantius J Pinto wrote: These discussions go through phases of articulation -- rhetoric,  layered in their connotation and denotation. Marlon was striking  hard but his intent was not to be mean although he came close to it.  Communication is hard enough, and often the most smartest, 

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Vivian A. DSouza
In my several decades in the USA, one of the local folk sayings  I heard was  Never get into a pissing match with a skunk  .  The implication is obvious.  With this statement I will refrain from further comment on this subject.

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Viv, Though this would sound good in a shouting-match, it is a slogan. Not an argument! FN On 14 January 2012 08:19, Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com wrote: In my several decades in the USA, one of the local folk sayings I heard was Never get into a pissing match with a skunk . The

[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Carvalho
Every East African Goan I meet and interview is extremely articulate, well mannered, successful, educated, hard-working, devoted and loyal. They loved Africa deeply (yes perhaps it was Colonial Africa they loved but Africa nonetheless).   I frankly don't know if the factors that contrived to

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
The Africander Goan is undeniably an influential animal, and I understand why nobody would like to cross his or her path! My intention here is not to judge the past with the spectacles of the present. Only, when someone like Viv lauds Goans for serving the colonial order in unabashed and

[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa Message

2012-01-14 Thread Mervyn Elsie Maciel
Apologies for prolonging this topic, Fred, but there are a few points I'd like to clear. I never felt that the African ire was directed at us, WaGoa(as we were known), but rather at the Wahindi(Asian businessmen), who openly exploited the illiterate African masses especially in the

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Frederick FN Noronha wrote: The Africander Goan is undeniably an influential animal, and I  understand why nobody would like to cross his or her path! My intention here is not to judge the past with the spectacles of the present. Only, when someone like Viv lauds Goans for serving the colonial

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Dear 12012012Mervyn, Your short response wasn't very short. This is a neat attempt at curbing the discussions by suggesting (i) that everyone is trying to be an expert (ii) that only those who have an experience of migrating to East Africa can have an opinion on that attitudes that some still

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Carvalho
Hey FN, Thanks for digging out the Himal article. Did you notice the one guy in Indonesia who thought it was a good article :-) I wonder if he is Indonesia or Goan. It sounds like the makings of another book, The Last Goan in Indonesia.   Best, Selma

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa Message

2012-01-14 Thread Venantius J Pinto
gymnastics. But again, see it in that light I have attempted to present my views. Best, venantius j pinto Message: 4 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:06:39 + From: Mervyn Elsie Maciel mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] British awards for Goans

[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Bernado Colaco
Any African based Goans knows Leo Noronha former headmaster in Nairobi? Please continue writing the stories of you successful lives in Africa. Unfortunately the puppets in the current colonial rule in Goa shows no value to any overseas Goan.   BC

Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

2012-01-14 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Frederick FN Noronha wrote: This is a neat attempt at curbing the discussions by suggesting  (i) that everyone is trying to be an expert (ii) that only those who have an experience of migrating to East Africa can have an opinion on that attitudes that some still display about the role of our