It seems that Google is embracing the 'revolution':
http://dev.chromium.org/spdy
SPDY solves the protocol problem. Soon we will see a replacement
coming for HTML/JavaScript.
Cheers!
On 23 set, 10:02, Célio ccid...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 set, 01:24, lusus l...@fishbytedesign.com wrote:
Well it looks like this discussion is fizzling out, but just in case
there are still people actually view this, I wanted to add some other
related thoughts.
I started doing some research into this idea, and found some
interesting things. Like for one, that there are people much larger
than me
On Sep 23, 12:18 pm, Thomas Broyer t.bro...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 sep, 16:54, lusus l...@fishbytedesign.com wrote:
I think I can safely say that push is NOT evil. Not in itself.
I must admit I agree (Yanick: how do you think GMail, (Wave), Facebook
and the like do? oh, sure, that's not
I believe it is. In my understanding, having a browser listen on a
specific port and having it wait for any incoming connection from
anyone exposes it to attacks.
Hi Yanick,
I think you are misunderstanding push communication. When you use a
chat program (outside of the web), push is being
It would be a titanic effort to rebuild so many standars.
Would it? It been done many times before. And in the long run, I'm
really only talking about (relatively) minor changes to the existing
protocols. And then the browser sitting on top would just need to
address security, and understand
On 23 sep, 06:24, lusus l...@fishbytedesign.com wrote:
First I would like to point out a few important facts:
1) I think that GWT is a fantastic idea, and that the developers
deserve awards and ice cream and funny hats and should be carried
through the streets.
2) I am just throwing this
On Sep 23, 1:00 am, Daniel Jue teamp...@gmail.com wrote:
You've essentially described the JVM which is on some 4 billion
machines. Have you programmed with Swing or Applets?
The idea that I am suggesting is, yes, essentially like the JVM. But
in my world, it would be a JVM running on a
On Sep 23, 1:25 am, DuoCentillion duocentill...@gmail.com wrote:
I think currently the browser is more general, more secure, and more
streamlined a model for broadcasting and communication than anything
else yet proposed. We dont rely exclusively on java programs or
applets to do
Well, have a look at Java Web Start, .NET ClickOnce or Adobe AIR
install badge.
Java Web Start is in the right direction, but is still limited pull
communication, unless you use sockets on other ports, which may or may
not be available. I am starting to realize that my want for push is
Hi lusus,
I'm not a a guru in all web technologies, but I think knowing enough
to comment on this.
On Sep 23, 12:24 am, lusus l...@fishbytedesign.com wrote:
First I would like to point out a few important facts:
1) I think that GWT is a fantastic idea, and that the developers
deserve awards
Would it be that hard to get the general public to accept a new internet
that involves application browsers?
I think that you dramatically underestimate people’s reluctance to
install something new. It took a long time for the web and its
protocols to reach the levels of saturation that
What do you mean by major programming languages? Javascript is a
major programming language. (more on this below) I understand,
however, that HTTP was originally created to display content
(documents) in standardized way, as BBS were insufficient, and there
was a need to, well, please the
Would it be that hard to get the general public to accept a new internet
that involves application browsers?
I think that you dramatically underestimate people’s reluctance to
install something new. It took a long time for the web and its
protocols to reach the levels of saturation
On 23 set, 01:24, lusus l...@fishbytedesign.com wrote:
Isn't it time that we finally quit trying to warp the WWW into what we
really want it to be, and come up with a new protocol all together?
Mr. Lusus, let me shake your hand, that's exactly as my own feeling is
about the web today. We have
Mr. Lusus, let me shake your hand, that's exactly as my own feeling is
about the web today. We have tried to push the actual 'web' beyond its
capabilities.
Thank You Sir. Consider my hand shook. If only we could get others to
understand? Many of the replies (as expected) have focused on the
Let me summarize: what you want is... Java applets, Silverlight, Flash/
Flex, with a way to do server push. Well, you already have all this:
Silverlight can use sockets [1], as well as Flash/Flex [2] (I don't
know for Java/JavaFX, but as far as I'm concerned java on the web is
dead for a
I think currently the browser is more general, more secure, and more
streamlined a model for broadcasting and communication than anything
else yet proposed. We dont rely exclusively on java programs or
applets to do everything because it is not general and is not secure
and certainly came after
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