Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Marius you wrote: but one of our goals is to use plain browser functionality, available on all devices. Recently I changed my mind a little bit in connection to that - this goal is more technical than commercial. Users want certain functionality, if functionality demands plugin - they will install plugin. E.g. ref Flash technology. Silverlight gives huge amount to business customers ( at least to their certain category). Next - this goal is not mentioned in your document :) Also note - if you try complex GWT application on your phone you will be likely disappointed, so available on all devices still is not 100% reality. But of course if you must traget *nix users, then Silverlight is not your choice. Just mention that in goals :) Maxim On Sep 1, 8:57 pm, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Maxim (saw your email), http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/says Missing plugin. So I left ;) I'm sure silverlight can have great results for controlled end user environments, but one of our goals is to use plain browser functionality, available on all devices. On Sep 1, 4:40 pm, Maxim maxim...@gmail.com wrote: Marius, in your document you compare GWT wih ASP.NET AJAX but I think it should be rather compared with Silverlight, this is a client-side technology like GWT which is not linked to server. ASP.NET AJAX is something very different and demands IIS to be installed server-side. My story about this comparison. We are having good customer we were trying to develop forusingGWT. Actually skeleton was developedusing GWT but then he wanted more modern appearance, and he could pay money for commercial libs. We figured out that commercial libraries for Silverlight are light years ahead of what GWT 3rd party libraries can offer. Price for such libraries are relatively low ( say in comparison to developer monthly salary), so cost is not a big problem I think. e.g.http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/ Still we love GWT and use it heavily for sayhttp://www.projectkaiser.com:8080/ One more thing: from time to time we have browser-compatibilty-related issues ( not so big though ) with GWT, especially in Firefox. Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
I completely agree with marius on the plugin requirement for silverlight. Also, until M$ decides to make a full version of Silverlight available on Linux it will never become popular. Since the majority of the people that use Linux are software devs, it would make sense that you would want to support it to gain acceptance with devs. Those who argue that Moonlight is an acceptable alternative and M$ is giving Novell full support I challenge you to try to use the most popular feature of Silverlight; DRM streaming, which M$ refuses to license for x86 because they are afraid their architecture isn't good enough to withstand a barrage of Linux devs. Also, I don't see what silverlight and business customers have to do with each other other than the corporate insistence of paying for M$ products. Also, it has been well documented that with GWT you can architect your software in such a way that you can output an optimized display for mobile clients. On Sep 2, 12:24 am, Maxim maxim...@gmail.com wrote: Marius you wrote: but one of our goals is to use plain browser functionality, available on all devices. Recently I changed my mind a little bit in connection to that - this goal is more technical than commercial. Users want certain functionality, if functionality demands plugin - they will install plugin. E.g. ref Flash technology. Silverlight gives huge amount to business customers ( at least to their certain category). Next - this goal is not mentioned in your document :) Also note - if you try complex GWT application on your phone you will be likely disappointed, so available on all devices still is not 100% reality. But of course if you must traget *nix users, then Silverlight is not your choice. Just mention that in goals :) Maxim On Sep 1, 8:57 pm, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Maxim (saw your email), http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/saysMissing plugin. So I left ;) I'm sure silverlight can have great results for controlled end user environments, but one of our goals is to use plain browser functionality, available on all devices. On Sep 1, 4:40 pm, Maxim maxim...@gmail.com wrote: Marius, in your document you compare GWT wih ASP.NET AJAX but I think it should be rather compared with Silverlight, this is a client-side technology like GWT which is not linked to server. ASP.NET AJAX is something very different and demands IIS to be installed server-side. My story about this comparison. We are having good customer we were trying to develop forusingGWT. Actually skeleton was developedusing GWT but then he wanted more modern appearance, and he could pay money for commercial libs. We figured out that commercial libraries for Silverlight are light years ahead of what GWT 3rd party libraries can offer. Price for such libraries are relatively low ( say in comparison to developer monthly salary), so cost is not a big problem I think. e.g.http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/ Still we love GWT and use it heavily for sayhttp://www.projectkaiser.com:8080/ One more thing: from time to time we have browser-compatibilty-related issues ( not so big though ) with GWT, especially in Firefox. Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
On 30 août, 21:32, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, A few weeks ago I started a shared document which analyses using GWT for a large UI project, which has also reviewed by this group (thanks for your feedback!). After learning more, the analysis has been updated to include the following sections: Using GWT for a large UI project Goals Web applications paradigm alternatives Google Web Toolkit (GWT) Engineering Cross-functional team collaboration More info on GWT Recommendation Appendix: Evaluating GWT 3rd party libraries Appendix: Cool web apps on GWT Appendix: Useful articles If you'd like to have a look at it, please see https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=16rQknO-r3ZqfMbuIl0R52OnFcWBCOKTPm1wDCzSQgvU Feel free to share your feedback and experiences on larger projects either on this group or in private. If you have developed GWT front- ends on .NET back-ends, your feedback is specially appreciated :) In the not so good list of the GWT intro, I believe SmartGWT's TileList and DataSource can be replaced by GWT 2.1's Cell widgets (CellGrid –announced on the design Wave–) and Editor support (databinding for RequestFactory records/proxies) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Marius, in your document you compare GWT wih ASP.NET AJAX but I think it should be rather compared with Silverlight, this is a client-side technology like GWT which is not linked to server. ASP.NET AJAX is something very different and demands IIS to be installed server-side. My story about this comparison. We are having good customer we were trying to develop for using GWT. Actually skeleton was developed using GWT but then he wanted more modern appearance, and he could pay money for commercial libs. We figured out that commercial libraries for Silverlight are light years ahead of what GWT 3rd party libraries can offer. Price for such libraries are relatively low ( say in comparison to developer monthly salary), so cost is not a big problem I think. e.g. http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/ Still we love GWT and use it heavily for say http://www.projectkaiser.com:8080/ One more thing: from time to time we have browser-compatibilty-related issues ( not so big though ) with GWT, especially in Firefox. Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Oops, sorry, I gave wrong link, this is the correct one: http://www.projectkaiser.com:8080/pk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Thanks Thomas, I'll look at 2.1 widgets once it's released and it haves more docs. On Sep 1, 11:02 am, Thomas Broyer t.bro...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 août, 21:32, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, A few weeks ago I started a shared document which analysesusingGWT for a large UI project, which has also reviewed by this group (thanks for your feedback!). After learning more, the analysis has been updated to include the following sections: UsingGWT for a large UI project Goals Web applications paradigm alternatives Google Web Toolkit (GWT) Engineering Cross-functional team collaboration More info on GWT Recommendation Appendix: Evaluating GWT 3rd party libraries Appendix: Cool web apps on GWT Appendix: Useful articles If you'd like to have a look at it, please see https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=16rQknO-r3ZqfMbuIl0R52OnFcWB... Feel free to share your feedback and experiences on larger projects either on this group or in private. If you have developed GWT front- ends on .NET back-ends, your feedback is specially appreciated :) In the not so good list of the GWT intro, I believe SmartGWT's TileList and DataSource can be replaced by GWT 2.1's Cell widgets (CellGrid –announced on the design Wave–) and Editor support (databinding for RequestFactory records/proxies) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Thanks Maxim (saw your email), http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/ says Missing plugin. So I left ;) I'm sure silverlight can have great results for controlled end user environments, but one of our goals is to use plain browser functionality, available on all devices. On Sep 1, 4:40 pm, Maxim maxim...@gmail.com wrote: Marius, in your document you compare GWT wih ASP.NET AJAX but I think it should be rather compared with Silverlight, this is a client-side technology like GWT which is not linked to server. ASP.NET AJAX is something very different and demands IIS to be installed server-side. My story about this comparison. We are having good customer we were trying to develop forusingGWT. Actually skeleton was developedusing GWT but then he wanted more modern appearance, and he could pay money for commercial libs. We figured out that commercial libraries for Silverlight are light years ahead of what GWT 3rd party libraries can offer. Price for such libraries are relatively low ( say in comparison to developer monthly salary), so cost is not a big problem I think. e.g.http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/salesdashboard/ Still we love GWT and use it heavily for sayhttp://www.projectkaiser.com:8080/ One more thing: from time to time we have browser-compatibilty-related issues ( not so big though ) with GWT, especially in Firefox. Maxim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Thanks Marius, your document has helped me a lot. On Aug 30, 9:34 pm, Fred Sauer fre...@google.com wrote: Thanks, Marius On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, A few weeks ago I started a shared document which analyses using GWT for a large UI project, which has also reviewed by this group (thanks for your feedback!). After learning more, the analysis has been updated to include the following sections: Using GWT for a large UI project Goals Web applications paradigm alternatives Google Web Toolkit (GWT) Engineering Cross-functional team collaboration More info on GWT Recommendation Appendix: Evaluating GWT 3rd party libraries Appendix: Cool web apps on GWT Appendix: Useful articles If you'd like to have a look at it, please see https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=16rQknO-r3ZqfMbuIl0R52OnFcWB... Feel free to share your feedback and experiences on larger projects either on this group or in private. If you have developed GWT front- ends on .NET back-ends, your feedback is specially appreciated :) Thanks, Marius -- Fred Sauer Developer Advocate Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View, CA 94043 fre...@google.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Using GWT for a large UI project
Hello group, A few weeks ago I started a shared document which analyses using GWT for a large UI project, which has also reviewed by this group (thanks for your feedback!). After learning more, the analysis has been updated to include the following sections: Using GWT for a large UI project Goals Web applications paradigm alternatives Google Web Toolkit (GWT) Engineering Cross-functional team collaboration More info on GWT Recommendation Appendix: Evaluating GWT 3rd party libraries Appendix: Cool web apps on GWT Appendix: Useful articles If you'd like to have a look at it, please see https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=16rQknO-r3ZqfMbuIl0R52OnFcWBCOKTPm1wDCzSQgvUhl=en Feel free to share your feedback and experiences on larger projects either on this group or in private. If you have developed GWT front- ends on .NET back-ends, your feedback is specially appreciated :) Thanks, Marius -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: Using GWT for a large UI project
Thanks, Marius On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, marius.andreiana marius.andrei...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, A few weeks ago I started a shared document which analyses using GWT for a large UI project, which has also reviewed by this group (thanks for your feedback!). After learning more, the analysis has been updated to include the following sections: Using GWT for a large UI project Goals Web applications paradigm alternatives Google Web Toolkit (GWT) Engineering Cross-functional team collaboration More info on GWT Recommendation Appendix: Evaluating GWT 3rd party libraries Appendix: Cool web apps on GWT Appendix: Useful articles If you'd like to have a look at it, please see https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=16rQknO-r3ZqfMbuIl0R52OnFcWBCOKTPm1wDCzSQgvUhl=en Feel free to share your feedback and experiences on larger projects either on this group or in private. If you have developed GWT front- ends on .NET back-ends, your feedback is specially appreciated :) Thanks, Marius -- Fred Sauer Developer Advocate Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View, CA 94043 fre...@google.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
