Re: Why do the Socorro docs have ads on them?
On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 6:15:33 AM UTC-7, William Kahn-Greene wrote: > > I don't think their advertising model goes against Mozilla's mission. > I do think that ReadTheDocs provides a service to open source > projects--including many of Mozilla's projects--that's invaluable and > helps us immensely. I don't think "readthedocs.io" provides a valuable service. It's a static website built from Sphinx. This would be free, without ads, on many services. I guess the problem I have with this is that it looks a little corrupt. Like, why is Mozilla supplying display advertising real estate to "readthedocs.io", when it could easy host the pages itself, or on github, at zero cost? The worst interpretation would be that it pays someone's buddy. ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Why do the Socorro docs have ads on them?
On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 1:01:15 PM UTC-7, Andrew Halberstadt wrote: > > Maybe if Mozilla wants to continue supporting them while simultaneously > getting rid of ads and using our own domains/branding, we could sign up > for a corporate account: > https://readthedocs.com/pricing/ That seems totally reasonable. That way, the price would be up front and documented. thanks, Rob ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Why do the Socorro docs have ads on them?
It is possible to build documentation with Travis and host it with pages, e.g: https://gist.github.com/brenns10/f48e1021e8befd2221a2 But it still requires more effort than the single button click that readthedocs provides. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with hosting docs there, and it's worth mentioning that readthedocs was a MOSS recipient. Maybe if Mozilla wants to continue supporting them while simultaneously getting rid of ads and using our own domains/branding, we could sign up for a corporate account: https://readthedocs.com/pricing/ I imagine it would be a lot cheaper than asking employees to spend time figuring out how to host their docs with Github Pages (which is also a for- profit company btw). - Andrew On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 12:34 PM Rob Sayre via governance < governance@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 6:15:33 AM UTC-7, William Kahn-Greene wrote: > > > > I don't think their advertising model goes against Mozilla's mission. > > I do think that ReadTheDocs provides a service to open source > > projects--including many of Mozilla's projects--that's invaluable and > > helps us immensely. I don't know offhand if we currently support them > > or not. If we don't, we really should. I'm pretty sure we have in the > > past. > > It's not the ads themselves that bother me, but rather that Mozilla's > documentation is being served by a for-profit company. Firefox hosts their > own: > > http://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/ > > It seems like the output of Sphinx could be hosted on Github Pages for > free... > > thanks, > Rob > ___ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Why do the Socorro docs have ads on them?
On Friday, March 22, 2019 at 6:15:33 AM UTC-7, William Kahn-Greene wrote: > > I don't think their advertising model goes against Mozilla's mission. > I do think that ReadTheDocs provides a service to open source > projects--including many of Mozilla's projects--that's invaluable and > helps us immensely. I don't know offhand if we currently support them > or not. If we don't, we really should. I'm pretty sure we have in the > past. It's not the ads themselves that bother me, but rather that Mozilla's documentation is being served by a for-profit company. Firefox hosts their own: http://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/ It seems like the output of Sphinx could be hosted on Github Pages for free... thanks, Rob ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
Re: Why do the Socorro docs have ads on them?
Socorro's documentation is built by and hosted on ReadTheDocs as is documentation for many Mozilla projects. ReadTheDocs uses "ethical advertising" to fund the infrastructure. They talk more about that here: https://docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/advertising/ethical-advertising.html I don't think their advertising model goes against Mozilla's mission. I do think that ReadTheDocs provides a service to open source projects--including many of Mozilla's projects--that's invaluable and helps us immensely. I don't know offhand if we currently support them or not. If we don't, we really should. I'm pretty sure we have in the past. /will On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:54 AM Rob Sayre via governance wrote: > > Hi! > > I had occasion to look around Socorro, and I noticed the documentation has > ads. Why is this? At first, I thought I might have happened on random > shovelware, but it seems that > > https://github.com/mozilla-services/socorro > > links to > > https://socorro.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > > I named Socorro and the "collector", which is what I was looking at. I was > surprised to see a banner ad on the docs for this software. There are > probably no lines of code written by me left, but it is nevertheless > troubling. > > It doesn't seem consistent with Mozilla's mission to serve static > documentation with ads. For example, MDN doesn't work this way. > > thanks, > Rob > ___ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance ___ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
