Hi all,
-11 has just been uploaded.
I believe it address all comments received so far: during WGLC and some private
comments afterward.
There have been significant editorial changes introduced, with a main goal to
put the focus on the Graceful BGP session shutdown itself, and reduce/remove
Hi all,
> draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-09
> diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-09
This version is expected to address all comments received.
>From a technical standpoint, the main changes are:
a) g-shut community is not
> > > From: heasley [mailto:h...@shrubbery.net] > Sent: Monday, June 26,
> 2017 7:07 PM
> > > > To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
> > > > Cc: grow@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
> > &g
gt; > -Original Message-
> > From: bruno.decra...@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decra...@orange.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:56 PM
> > To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jhe...@cisco.com>
> > Cc: grow@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bg
; 2017 7:07 PM
> > > To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
> > > Cc: grow@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
> > >
> > > Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:57:54PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com:
> > > > > Suggestions:
Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 01:14:34PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com:
>
>
> > From: heasley [mailto:h...@shrubbery.net] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017
> 7:07 PM
> > To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
> > Cc: grow@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bg
.decra...@orange.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jhe...@cisco.com>
> Cc: grow@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
>
> Jakob,
>
>
> > From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) [mailto:jhe...@cisco.com]
> > Sent:
Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 05:39:12PM +0200, Job Snijders:
> > As for my requirements, I'm considering that our ASes have the
> > knowledge of the backup path. Hence I don't need for the extra
> > coverage. Regarding the extra cost, I agree that one can hardly
> > consider this unacceptable since this
Jakob,
> From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) [mailto:jhe...@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:13 PM
>
> Bruno,
>
> > > If they are available to the gshut initiating router, then they
> > > are available to the other routers.
> >
> > Why?
>
> The advertising router advertised
Bruno,
> > If they are available to the gshut initiating router, then they
> > are available to the other routers.
>
> Why?
The advertising router advertised it.
Your example is iBGP. When one speaker advertises, the whole AS receives it.
Now suppose because of some weirdness, not every
Jakob,
> From: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) [mailto:jhe...@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 7:53 AM
>
> Bruno,
>
> To my mind, the purpose of graceful shutdown is to tease out the
> hidden paths before sending the withdraw. In your cases, the
> alternative paths are not hidden. They
Job,
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:31 PM
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:47 PM
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > the
Job,
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:39
> PM
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:58:40PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > Hi Job, all
> >
> > > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 22,
> > > 2017 10:47 PM
> >
> From: heasley [mailto:h...@shrubbery.net] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017
> 7:07 PM
> To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
> Cc: grow@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
>
> Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:57:54PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.
Hi all,
In-line as [BM]
On Mon, 2017-06-26 at 17:39 +0200, Job Snijders wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:58:40PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com
> wrote:
> > Hi Job, all
> >
> > > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Thursday, June
> > > 22, 2017 10:47 PM
> >
> > [...]
> >
>
that.
Thanks,
Jakob.
> -Original Message-
> From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Job Snijders
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:31 AM
> To: bruno.decra...@orange.com
> Cc: grow@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
>
> On Mon, Jun 26,
: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
>
> Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:57:54PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com:
> > > Suggestions:
> > >
> > > OLD Abstract:
> > >This draft describes operational procedures aimed at reducing the
> >
Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:57:54PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com:
> > Suggestions:
> >
> > OLD Abstract:
> >This draft describes operational procedures aimed at reducing the
> >amount of traffic lost during planned maintenances of routers or
> >links, involving the shutdown of
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:58:32PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > I think section 6 for link up should stay.
> > The cases desctibed are real, whether corner or not.
>
> [Bruno] agreed.
I agree it is valuable text, but the draft is about "SHUTDOWN" - not
about "Link Up". Perhaps
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 01:58:40PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> Hi Job, all
>
> > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017
> > 10:47 PM
> [...]
>
> > I think that the neighbor ASBR should _not_ strip the GSHUT
> > well-known community.
>
> I'm
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 02:14:19PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:47 PM
>
> [...]
>
> > the place where the low local preference is set
> > should move closer to the initiator of the gshut. Instead of
Hi Job ,all
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:47 PM
[...]
> the place where the low local preference is set
> should move closer to the initiator of the gshut. Instead of setting
> the low LP on Adj-RIB-Out to IBGP neighbors, the low LP should be
Hi Job, all
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017
> 10:47 PM
[...]
> I think that the neighbor ASBR should _not_ strip the GSHUT well-known
> community.
I'm personally open to both options.
Discussing this further:
- First of all, stripping the g-shut
ks,
Regards,
--Bruno
> Thanks,
> Jakob.
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Will Hargrave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 3:46 AM
> > To: Job Snijders <j...@ntt.net>
> > Cc: grow@ietf.or
Hi Job,
Thanks for the comments.
Please see inline [Bruno]
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:47 PM
>
> Dear working group,
>
> > > BGP g-shut (possible action for Bruno et al)
> > >
> > >
> > >
7 3:46 AM
> To: Job Snijders <j...@ntt.net>
> Cc: grow@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut
>
> On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:47, Job Snijders wrote:
>
> Hi all, a few comments below:
>
> > NEW (in Pre-configuration):
> >On ea
On 22 Jun 2017, at 21:47, Job Snijders wrote:
Hi all, a few comments below:
NEW (in Pre-configuration):
On each ASBR supporting the g-shut procedure, an inbound BGP route
policy is applied on all BGP sessions of the ASBR, that:
o matches the g-shut community
o sets the LOCAL_PREF
Dear working group,
> > BGP g-shut (possible action for Bruno et al)
> >
> >
> > Bruno promised a new, fresh version of draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut which
> > would focus on the rfc1997 well-known community 65535:0 - I would
> > appreciate if this
Hi all,
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:05 PM
>
> Hi GROW,
>
> I've compiled a todo list to outline the next steps for the
> draft-ietf-grow-bgp-session-culling document.
>
[...]
> BGP g-shut (possible action for Bruno et al)
>
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 07:07:24AM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017
> > 1:41 AM
> >
> > If you'd like help editing draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-06 to reflect the
> > proposed changes discussed in the last 3 months in
there is an rfc to xml converter somewhere. i once used it.
randy
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Hi Job,
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:41
> AM
>
> Dear Bruno, other gshut authors & GROW,
>
> If you'd like help editing draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-06 to reflect the
> proposed changes discussed in the last 3 months in GROW, I'd be happy to
>
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 03:21:18PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > I'm somewhat inclined to proceed with the gshut concept as a well-known
> > transitive rfc 1997 community. What do others think?
>
> I agree with you.
> Until now, in order to capture all the options, waiting for
>
From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 2:09 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
Cc: Ben Maddison; grow@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
[Bruno] The benefit of using a well-known community
> [Bruno] The benefit of using a well-known community is that everyone uses
> the same. Otherwise, the operator shutting down/reloading a node with 50
> EBGP sessions would need to attach 50 different communities.
>
Nope. You send only one .. the one you told your peers that means your
g-shut.
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:52:56PM +0100, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> > > ???Not that long ago we went via tsunami ???of IDR on and offline emails
> > when
> > > discussing large communities which contained "operators" voice stating
> > > *NO* to any well known or predefined meaning to the
f Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 12:39 PM
To: bruno.decra...@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decra...@orange.com>
Cc: grow@ietf.org<mailto:grow@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
Hi Bruno,
[Bruno] The goal was to be able to use gshut even if both EBGP p
>
> > ???Not that long ago we went via tsunami ???of IDR on and offline emails
> when
> > discussing large communities which contained "operators" voice stating
> > *NO* to any well known or predefined meaning to the communities nor
> > welcomed any predefined actions associated with the
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 01:33:34PM +0100, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> > ???> ???
> > The primary benefit is the use of a well-known community
> >
> >
> ???Not that long ago we went via tsunami ???of IDR on and offline emails when
> discussing large communities which contained "operators" voice
> >
> The primary benefit is the use of a well-known community
>
>
Not that long ago we went via tsunami of IDR on and offline emails when
discussing large communities which contained "operators" voice stating
*NO* to any well known or predefined meaning to the communities nor
welcomed any
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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:30 PM
To: Ben Maddison <b...@workonline.co.za>
Cc: bruno.decra...@orange.com; grow@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
Hi Ben & Bruno,
If we all agree commu
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> *From:* GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk
> *Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2017 12:39 PM
> *To:
ent: Friday, March 17, 2017 12:39 PM
To: bruno.decra...@orange.com
Cc: grow@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
Hi Bruno,
[Bruno] The goal was to be able to use gshut even if both EBGP peer are not
enhanced to support it. The benefit of flagging routes with a community
Hi Robert,
From: Robert Raszuk
Hi Bruno,
[Bruno] The goal was to be able to use gshut even if both EBGP peer are not
enhanced to support it. The benefit of flagging routes with a community is that
gshut may be implemented on vanilla routers using a BGP route map/policy.
Sure thing. However
Hi Bruno,
[Bruno] The goal was to be able to use gshut even if both EBGP peer are not
> enhanced to support it. The benefit of flagging routes with a community is
> that gshut may be implemented on vanilla routers using a BGP route
> map/policy.
>
Sure thing. However peers need to be
Hi Robert,
Please see inline [Bruno]
From: rras...@gmail.com [mailto:rras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 9:42 AM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
Cc: grow@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
Bruno,
BGP session can carry multiple
Thanks for the useful feedback.
--Bruno
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Maddison [mailto:b...@workonline.co.za]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:23 PM
> To: Job Snijders; DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN
> Cc: grow@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshu
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-Original Message-
From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Job Snijders
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:54 PM
To: bruno.decra...@orange.com
Cc: grow@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [GROW] draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut status?
Hi Bruno,
On Wed
Hi Job,
Thanks for the feedback.
More inline
> From: Job Snijders [mailto:j...@ntt.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017
> 3:54 PM
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 02:00:37PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Hi Bruno,
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 02:00:37PM +, bruno.decra...@orange.com wrote:
> > From: GROW [mailto:grow-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Job Snijders >
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:11 PM
> >
> > I noticed that https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-06
> > expired
Hi group,
I noticed that https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-06
expired two years ago. Can anyone offer some insight why it lapsed?
What implementatations exist? A fellow operator told me that IOS, IOS XE
has support for graceful shutdown, are there others?
Kind regards,
Job
Robert,
[Changing the title of the thread to better reflect the subject]
From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:rob...@raszuk.net] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012
11:25 AM
Hello Bruno,
Excellent - this is exactly what we discussed in the past. But when I
read the draft before sending email yesterday
Bruno,
2. Lower the local preference value of the paths received over the
eBGP session being shut down, upon their propagation over iBGP
sessions.
Looking at the definition of upon:
upon - immediately or very soon after
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/upon
What is the
Robert,
From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:rob...@raszuk.net] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012
3:23 PM
Bruno,
2. On the iBGP side, (re-) advertises the path received over
the eBGP session being shutdown with a low LOCAL_PREF.
Sounds good.
Great.
Btw what is low ?
Low enough such as a backup
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