Re: [grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

[Benjamin Krämer]

Thanks for the information. I think once OpenCensus is officially in GRPC 
c-core, the C# users (and other c-core implementations) can just rely on 
that implementation using OpenCensus C++ in the background.

Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 23:36:15 UTC-8 schrieb Adrian Cole:
>
> I don't think many people are using opentracing's grpc instrumentation in 
> java. 
>
> There were 21 unique IPs downloading it last month, from the only 
> version that generated stats (0.1.0). I don't have access to census 
> stats (no pun intended), but to put this in perspective, zipkin's grpc 
> instrumentation has 412 unique ips downloading from maven central. 
> Other language mileage may vary. 
>
> Point being that I don't think there's many impacted by whatever's out 
> there right now, that or they are very good at proxying downloads. 
>
> -A 
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Benjamin Krämer  > wrote: 
> > Hi Dino, 
> > 
> > thanks for your reply. I'm specifically looking into C++ and C# and 
> couldn't 
> > find neither OpenCensus nor OpenTracing. I can see that both have C++ 
> > implementations ready but I can't find any code in the gRPC repository 
> (of 
> > C++ or C#) on how to connect it. I know that Java has it working and 
> also 
> > about the demo implementation over at 
> > https://github.com/rakyll/opencensus-grpc-demo 
> > 
> > Am Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 02:21:36 UTC+1 schrieb Dino Oliva: 
> >> 
> >> Hi Benjamin, 
> >> 
> >> I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention, 
> >> OpenCensus provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project 
> from 
> >> OpenTracing. We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use 
> >> OpenCensus to instrument their code and it is integrated in at this 
> point 
> >> (has been for a while). 
> >> 
> >> I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing 
> >> support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively. 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer 
> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about 
> the 
> >>> plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's 
> already 
> >>> implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are 
> some 
> >>> platforms in grpc-ecosystem that implement OpenTracing. So as far as I 
> >>> understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats while OpenTracing is just 
> >>> tracing. 
> >>> 
> >>> Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and 
> >>> OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus 
> is the 
> >>> main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like 
> to use 
> >>> it. 
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Re: [grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

[Adrian Cole]

I don't think many people are using opentracing's grpc instrumentation in java.

There were 21 unique IPs downloading it last month, from the only
version that generated stats (0.1.0). I don't have access to census
stats (no pun intended), but to put this in perspective, zipkin's grpc
instrumentation has 412 unique ips downloading from maven central.
Other language mileage may vary.

Point being that I don't think there's many impacted by whatever's out
there right now, that or they are very good at proxying downloads.

-A

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Benjamin Krämer  wrote:
> Hi Dino,
>
> thanks for your reply. I'm specifically looking into C++ and C# and couldn't
> find neither OpenCensus nor OpenTracing. I can see that both have C++
> implementations ready but I can't find any code in the gRPC repository (of
> C++ or C#) on how to connect it. I know that Java has it working and also
> about the demo implementation over at
> https://github.com/rakyll/opencensus-grpc-demo
>
> Am Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 02:21:36 UTC+1 schrieb Dino Oliva:
>>
>> Hi Benjamin,
>>
>> I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention,
>> OpenCensus provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project from
>> OpenTracing. We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use
>> OpenCensus to instrument their code and it is integrated in at this point
>> (has been for a while).
>>
>> I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing
>> support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively.
>>
>> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer wrote:
>>>
>>> I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about the
>>> plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's already
>>> implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are some
>>> platforms in grpc-ecosystem that implement OpenTracing. So as far as I
>>> understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats while OpenTracing is just
>>> tracing.
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and
>>> OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus is the
>>> main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like to use
>>> it.
>
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Re: [grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

['Dino Oliva' via grpc.io]

I looked into the status of C# support - we have an informal
agreement/understanding that Microsoft will work on it but we don't have a
formal commitment on resources or dates confirmed.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Dino Oliva  wrote:

> We are actively working on adding more documentation - general and
> language-specific - to opencensus.io along with examples. There should be
> more information available towards the end of the week (and incrementally
> from that point on). I have asked the OpenCensus C++ tech lead to follow-up
> here as well.
>
> I am not certain of the status of the C# work but I'll look into it.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Dino
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM, Benjamin Krämer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dino,
>>
>> thanks for your reply. I'm specifically looking into C++ and C# and
>> couldn't find neither OpenCensus nor OpenTracing. I can see that both have
>> C++ implementations ready but I can't find any code in the gRPC repository
>> (of C++ or C#) on how to connect it. I know that Java has it working and
>> also about the demo implementation over at https://github.com/rakyll/open
>> census-grpc-demo
>>
>>
>> Am Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 02:21:36 UTC+1 schrieb Dino Oliva:
>>>
>>> Hi Benjamin,
>>>
>>> I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention,
>>> OpenCensus provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project from
>>> OpenTracing. We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use
>>> OpenCensus to instrument their code and it is integrated in at this point
>>> (has been for a while).
>>>
>>> I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing
>>> support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer wrote:

 I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about the
 plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's already
 implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are some
 platforms in grpc-ecosystem
  that implement
 OpenTracing. So as far as I understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats
 while OpenTracing is just tracing.

 Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and
 OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus is the
 main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like to
 use it.

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Re: [grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

['Dino Oliva' via grpc.io]

We are actively working on adding more documentation - general and
language-specific - to opencensus.io along with examples. There should be
more information available towards the end of the week (and incrementally
from that point on). I have asked the OpenCensus C++ tech lead to follow-up
here as well.

I am not certain of the status of the C# work but I'll look into it.

Regards,

--Dino


On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM, Benjamin Krämer 
wrote:

> Hi Dino,
>
> thanks for your reply. I'm specifically looking into C++ and C# and
> couldn't find neither OpenCensus nor OpenTracing. I can see that both have
> C++ implementations ready but I can't find any code in the gRPC repository
> (of C++ or C#) on how to connect it. I know that Java has it working and
> also about the demo implementation over at https://github.com/rakyll/
> opencensus-grpc-demo
>
>
> Am Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 02:21:36 UTC+1 schrieb Dino Oliva:
>>
>> Hi Benjamin,
>>
>> I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention,
>> OpenCensus provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project from
>> OpenTracing. We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use
>> OpenCensus to instrument their code and it is integrated in at this point
>> (has been for a while).
>>
>> I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing
>> support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively.
>>
>> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer wrote:
>>>
>>> I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about the
>>> plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's already
>>> implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are some
>>> platforms in grpc-ecosystem
>>>  that implement
>>> OpenTracing. So as far as I understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats
>>> while OpenTracing is just tracing.
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and
>>> OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus is the
>>> main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like to
>>> use it.
>>>
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[grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

[Benjamin Krämer]

Hi Dino,

thanks for your reply. I'm specifically looking into C++ and C# and 
couldn't find neither OpenCensus nor OpenTracing. I can see that both have 
C++ implementations ready but I can't find any code in the gRPC repository 
(of C++ or C#) on how to connect it. I know that Java has it working and 
also about the demo implementation over at 
https://github.com/rakyll/opencensus-grpc-demo

Am Samstag, 24. Februar 2018 02:21:36 UTC+1 schrieb Dino Oliva:
>
> Hi Benjamin,
>
> I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention, 
> OpenCensus provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project from 
> OpenTracing. We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use 
> OpenCensus to instrument their code and it is integrated in at this point 
> (has been for a while).
>
> I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing 
> support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively.
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer wrote:
>>
>> I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about the 
>> plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's already 
>> implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are some 
>> platforms in grpc-ecosystem 
>>  that implement 
>> OpenTracing. So as far as I understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats 
>> while OpenTracing is just tracing.
>>
>> Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and 
>> OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus is the 
>> main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like to 
>> use it.
>>
>

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[grpc-io] Re: OpenCensus vs. OpenTracing

[dpo via grpc.io]

Hi Benjamin,

I am the tech lead for the OpenCensus Java work. As you mention, OpenCensus 
provides both tracing and stats and is a separate project from OpenTracing. 
We have worked in conjunction with the gRPC team to use OpenCensus to 
instrument their code and it is integrated in at this point (has been for a 
while).

I don't know of any plans for gRPC to provide integrated OpenTracing 
support but someone from the gRPC team would need to say definitively.

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 7:28:41 AM UTC-8, Benjamin Krämer wrote:
>
> I looked a bit into tracing with gRPC lately and I often read about the 
> plans to have OpenCensus directly integrated. It looks that it's already 
> implemented in some platforms (java?). On the other side, there are some 
> platforms in grpc-ecosystem 
>  that implement 
> OpenTracing. So as far as I understood it, OpenCensus is tracing + stats 
> while OpenTracing is just tracing.
>
> Can anyone explain what the concrete plans are for OpenCensus and 
> OpenTracing support? From my point of view, it looks like OpenCensus is the 
> main goal and that OpenTracing is just supported for people that like to 
> use it.
>

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