ng. I integrated most of bournish into Gash, and then also
Timothy's Geesh came on my radar. Interesting puzzle this...Timothy?
> Thank you for the amazing work, and again apologies for taking so long
> to get back to you!
Thanks! To be fair, although wip-bootstrap has been "mostly working"
for quite some time now, I only got wip-bootstrap in a somewhat
reviewable state and fixed the integration with Guix since a week.
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more work. Thanks for chiming in!
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For the 3rd time, again I believe that I have built i686-linux `hello'
without using any bootstrap inputs. This time, I have actually built
./pre-inst-env guix build --system=i686-linux hello
on x86_64 (Previously, I did most development in a x86 VM which hides
problems with --system=
8<---cut here---end------->8---
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> The wip-bootstrap branch now builds without binutils, gcc, and glibc seeds.
Well, I'm very sorry but I cheered just a little bit too early, as I
just found out.
> Thanks to #bootstrappable and #glibc and a week's work of hammering and
> determination we
ot be the highest priority from a full source
bootstrap point of view, having a shell in Guile is very exciting and
would help Guix a lot. We need to evaluate gash and geesh and
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ctl.h"
"sysinfo.h" ; for 2.2.5
"types.h"
"version.h" ; for 2.2.5
I'll keep you all informed here, thanks.
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lapping goal to create a posix/bash compatible shell in Guile.
Although it may not be the highest priority from a full source
bootstrap point of view, having a shell in Guile is very exciting and
would help Guix a lot. We need to evaluate gash and geesh and
formulate a strategy.
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We are delighted to announce the release of GNU Mes 0.17, representing
64 commits over 6 weeks.
Mes is now an official GNU package and we have bootstrapped gcc-4.7.4
for x86-linux with a reduced binary seed (i.e., without regular toolchain).
Next targets:
- upstream the x86 Mes bootstrap to
st too. Do you/Ricardo want to help with that too?
> Thank you for your patience!
Thanks for your help and support!
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e bridge to full bootstrappability
Hear, hear!
> But we still have a lot of details to hammer out, like getting basic
> ARM support and having the ARM and x86 binaries verify each other's
> bootstrap;
> Hammer out cross-platform build details for MesCC and M2-Planet
These I certainly agree
ls from the x86 bootstrap
binaries (possibly one at a time) and replace them by M1+Mes+Tcc-built
ones. Possibly by adding an alternative %bootstrap-binaries package
without them. Then build the x86 system on top of that. Then, or
meanwhile, start thinking about x86_64 or AArch64.
I'm not saying
for showing interest!
Greetings,
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-build-with-cxx
Greetings,
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
> Gábor Boskovits writes:
>
>> It seems that the errors you were getting are related to 128 bit
>> floating point support. It also seems that 128 bit floating point
>> support is enabled on 64 bits. I'm not sure about the 32 bit case
>> tho
iler be used to compile libgcc2?
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>
> If they both are the same arch then I would suggest to get the one
> fixed first where the STACK_DIRECTION is seemingly detected wrongly.
Hmm, this is definitely wrong.
I'll have a look at this first...
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was released two weeks ago I have tried many things, but
not knowing where this error comes makes progress difficult, e.g.: I
didn't manage to compile any glibc > 2.3.6, but that may not be
necessary?
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a any C compiler that supports only 60% of the features of M2-Planet
And very bootstrappable!
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Holger Levsen writes:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 07:22:02PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>> As of 0.14, Mes+MesCC compiles a self-hosting TinyCC. Using the 0.15
>> Mes C library, this TinyCC can build the GNU tools triplet:
>> binutils-2.14, gcc-2.95.3, glibc-2.2.5.
>
/guile/docs/master/guile.html/PEG-Parsing.html
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>> The plan is to replace the mes.M1 seed with mes.M2
> Exciting.
Yes, and it's so much fun over at #bootstrappable. M2-Planet just
got anonymous structs and function pointers -- that should be enough
for mes.c :-)
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and uploaded its armour to savannah.
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> + ("lz4" ,lz4)
> + ("pcre2" ,pcre2)
> + ("python" ,python)
> + ("qrencode" ,qrencode)
> + ("util-linux" ,util-linux)
> + ("xz" ,xz)
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I have good hopes of bootstrapping Guile but...won't we be creating
a non-bootstrappable system here? Does this mean that modern Linux
systems are essentially non-bootstrappable? Has this been discussed?
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B key. And what
>fits onto a 1 GB USB key should also easily fit on a hard disk...
>
> What do you think?
I'm not experienced in this, otoh if things "just work", that's always
nice.
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iscovered at Verum that a guix pack would not run on CentOS and
took another road in the end. Good to know there's still a way
to work around this.
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t my mind on other things atm. The things you fixed were
all troublesome. I'll let you know once I get down to deploying it.
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Marius Bakke writes:
Hi!
> Ludovic Courtès <l...@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> civodul pushed a commit to branch master
>> in repository guix.
>>
>> commit ae12d586275cdd96db23fb01bf840b2055b5b979
>> Author: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org>
>>
n libtool-for-ddc.
> It should be noted in the package documentation, that this package is not
> recommended for general use.
Are you proposing to patch libtool? If so, even if patching it for
[gcc-]dcc only would be a great hack for now. Please go forward with
that idea at least until
ed.
OK!
> I'm now investigating the checksum issue.
Great to hear your progress
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branch is that? You did see Ludo's suggestions? I like
them and planned to look at them when my mind is less occupied with
bootstrapping.
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locations. Source code for these libraries can be found at
their respective hosting sites as well as at
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/infrastructure/. See also
Note that mes-tcc also still fails some tests and that we run mescc on
Guile rather than on Mes because of severe Mes Scheme performance
guile-2.0.9? That would already help a lot!
*) should i push this to savannah wip-bootstrap?
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> try the clang one, and see if some things are still missing or not.
> We have the definition in place for that at least.
Sure.
> I cannot paste the text of the patch because of limitations in my current
> mail client, I will work on it,
> though.
> The patch should be applied no
le it is already "handy" as it is, I
consider adding a commit argument and imply --recursive, like so
guix hash --git HEAD
guix hash --git v0.13
WDYT?
janneke
>From cfc9e557db6fe6c9aece68cfc5153ec9481a45a4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org>
Da
So, when this happens we simply have case 1: we are not relocated.
>
> In gcc/gcc.c this pattern is guarded by if(gcc_exec_prefix) basically.(it
> is in an else block)
> It is not so in gcc/gcc-ar.c.
>
> This is how far I could get with it
built from a lisp compiler
Hmm, it's my understanding that Guile is pretty heavily tied to
libguile/*.c. What makes you think that it's possible for Guile to run
without libguile/*.c?
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if we consider it to be of value, then x86_64 is
just more work. Other architectures...well, "just" more work ;-)
> Thank you, and congrats on this milestone!
Thanks!
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> Also: I wonder if we can simplify these bootstrap packages in Guix, so
> that they can be built with even fewer build-time features.
Yeah, the mean reason to do it in Guix packages is that it becomes
impossible to cheat. However, coding the bootstrap path in Guix means
that we depend
sr")
then we still need to make sure that make install uses the prefix we
want by writing our own install phase...it gets ugly here I guess...
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eeds a lot more work and tinycc-boot, gcc-boot
packages are still missing.
Greetings,
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*) Or fetch branch wip-bootstrap: https://gitlab.com/janneke/guix
>From c64a0af956754a22a7900a96260b7615c62c14b1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org>
Date: Su
PEG-Parsing.html
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes:
>>> Usage: guix build gcc-dcc
>>>
>>> Building gcc-dcc tests the diverse double compilation property
>>> of the gcc that Guix is using.
>>>
>>> * gnu/packages/bootstrappable.scm: New file.
>>> * gnu/local
.)
Yes, I'd like to join.
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the install-prefix that
debian and others do not have.
I'll be sending updated patches soon.
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ove the real script
> to .wrapped-bin/foo.
To probably state the obvious, yes it would be great if top/ps would
show `foo' instead of .foo-x.y-real; also great for `killall'.
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sense?
Attached is a patch prototyping this diverse double compilation test.
janneke
>From c91609e847066c384826d726033146e08d8185ed Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org>
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 06:52:46 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: Add clang-gcc, gcc-ddc. WIP
Usage: guix build
ucible, like the
installation binaries/USB installer, bare-bones.tmpl or even
lightweight-desktop.tmpl?
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t;grep")))
Does that help?
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A similar patch is waiting for guix proper.
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=28487
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>> script before patch-shebanging; the spec examples in the manual lacks
>> a (list (quote ..)...
>
> Please report these issues and/or send a patch! :-)
I added smart http to our git server and now have cuirass somewhat
going...intend to send so
Arne Babenhauserheide writes:
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org> writes:
>> Arne Babenhauserheide writes:
>>> Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org> writes:
>>>> I am pleased to announce the release of Mes 0.10, representing 82
>>>> comm
http:// urls with Cuirrass I now get
Git error: no Content-Type header in response
janneke
* cuirass' guix envronment -l guix.scm is broken, cuirass package runs a
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Arne Babenhauserheide writes:
> Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I am pleased to announce the release of Mes 0.10, representing 82
>> commits over 6 weeks. Mescc now compiles a bootstrappable-modified
>> TinyCC into a mes-tcc that in turn can succe
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Catonano writes:
> could anyone here verify if they can run postgresql with a reasonably recent
> version of GuixSD ?
I installed GuixSD two days ago, guix pull/master, with postgresql. Using only
(postgresql-service)
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ang.scm says:
As of go-1.5, go cannot be bootstrapped without go-1.4, so we need
to use go-1.4 or gccgo-5.
So that sounds like more work/more steps, but still sweet milky
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n elisp. You also need the direnv tool itself,
> which is written in Go. No thanks!
No thanks here too. A yoghurt language just to run a shell, ugh.
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briefly on
irc yesterday are various ways this could go: use emacs-direnv, read the
manifest file in elisp, use guix repl to read it..etc
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concrete suggestion here, just a feeble wish
to have networking as simple and crisply declaritively configurable as
the rest of GuixSD.
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>> Also, mescc can now compile a
>> modified TinyCC into a running [mostly segfaulting] executable.
>
> Very cool!
>
> Thank you for your great work!
:-)
Thanks for the support!
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le/eval.c ;-) and
develop a fork/sister of mescc as guilecc.
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>> Author: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org>
>> Date: Thu Jun 15 19:22:00 2017 +0200
>>
>> tests: Allow setting of qemu memory-size for system tests.
>>
>> * gnu/system/vm.scm (common-qemu-options): Remove hardc
Ludovic Courtès writes:
>>> 1. Include (gnu packages) in the default evaluation environment of
>>> manifests.
>>>
>>> 2. (define (package-specifications->manifest specs)
>>>(packages->manifest (map (compose list specification->package+output)
>>>
the rumoured the
rumoured gash or some shell-utils package; possibly together with some
scsh-like goodies.
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p?
PFA
> For Ubuntu users (or others distros with LXD) it would be a nice
> managed way of trying out GuixSD if I get this to work.
Great work, thanks!
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;; this is for work
"icedtea:jdk")
and have package-strings be usable in operating-system too?
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at hello, guile and the lilypond stack (still waiting for some
love and integration).
> Probably not a blocker, but something nice to have.
Sure. Bash is a pretty convenient interface to fork/exec/pipe, having
that on MinGW would be quite something ;-)
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Ludovic Courtès writes:
Hi Ludo & all!
> Bash fails to cross-build for i686-w64–mingw32 on ‘core-updates’:
> Ideas?
Hmm. Did bash successfully cross build to i686-w64–mingw32 before?
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F
pinging gnu.org or google.com does not work. I am
> able to ping both from my host
> machine.
Don't try to use ping (ICMP) to test the network. Use someting tcp/udp,
wget/ssh for example.
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no answer.
Possibly I'm wrong and/or my information is outdated?
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janneke
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m into GuixSD, I'm at the point of giving
up on npm and am planning to migrate away from it.
I can hardly imagine...but does this report in any way hint that some
packages can be built from source and how to do that?
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ome packages set GUILE_LOAD_PATH and
GUILE_LOAD_COMPILED_PATH and mixing guile-2.0 and guile-2.2 packages
that do so is still troublesome. It would be nice (TM) if we could
find a way not to rely on setting those environment variables.
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?
If I'm not mistaken, everything else in GuixSD will run if I select a
previous system generation in Grub...except for this?
Is involving postgres developers an option, I'm sure a least one of
the postgresql hackers[cc] are already looking at Guix[SD]?
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figure out how to do that. But
do our users need to know this? And more importantly, if I upgrade,
will I be able to revert to a previous generation of my system?
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janneke
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Christopher Allan Webber writes:
> Wow... what a list...
>
> This is really incredible work! Fully bootstrappable Guix is looking
> more and more feasible!
:-)
thanks!
--janneke
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I like the name, you are the one who wants another name; what would you
suggest?
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o down
- add separate assembly step, assembly output
- use stage0+ project, esp rewrite mes.c in stage2-LISP
- use/work with epsilon?
or it can stay level
- cleanup mescc
- fix bugs
- look into Nyacc
- decide on psyntax
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cts/LISP/book/LISP%25201.5%2520Programmers%2520Manual.pdf
[6] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
[7] https://github.com/oriansj/stage0
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hould make working together on a project
like Hurd a lot easier.
I'm sure the recipe has bitrotten a bit, esp. names of branches and
hashes; it would be great if you could try it and help keep it up to
date.
Greetings--janneke
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701
# PASS: 573
# SKIP: 34
# XFAIL: 0
# FAIL: 94
# XPASS: 0
# ERROR: 0
Are you [all] running core-updates? Should I be?
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eke, we even have immutable GOOPS! ;)
> Plus then you get generic methods!
+1
> - Chris Webber, who may only be slightly trolling and knows Guix will
>probably never adopt using GOOPS
:-D
Greetings,
--janneke who'd like to see a lightweight functional GOOPS more
prom
eview should be done here, with patches. I thought it might be
just a bit too early for that and was hoping others [you] would want to
make some changes first...and maybe pulling my git would be handier
then.
I'm happy to send the patches here, whatever is convenient.
Greetings, janneke
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of full-source/sanitized npm
packages.
Greetings, janneke
[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2016-08/msg01567.html
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me working on Free Software
> projects that I consider more tolerant.
Wow, I'm shocked to read this! Let me check. Are you saying that
condoning disrespectful/non-considerate behaviour is actually
"tolerance" and preferrable when building a community?
Greetings,
janneke
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cross-compiled binaries
> end up pulling the whole cross toolchain (due to cross-gcc not having a
> separate “lib” output), so for instance the cross-built grep tarball
> above weighs in at 91 MiB (330 MiB uncompressed :-)). We’ll fix that.
:-) Oh well.
> Anyway, pretty cool!
Pret
> I hope you can understand and respect my decision.
Sure; thanks and all the best!
Greetings, --janneke
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