Re: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required)

2006-04-18 Thread Susan Data-Samtak
Me, too! Plus size and only 5' 2" tall. I can use all the help I can get. Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Kimiko Small

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe > something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Since she's describing clothes and not veils, probably not. Fortunately I don't have to guess; I'll ask

[h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required)

2006-04-18 Thread Kimiko Small
At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. Hi Kathleen, As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentenni

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Heather Rose Jones
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold lace." I'm quite

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > That help? Yes! Thank you for typing it all in. (Dollars to donuts my author came up with "gold lace" by quoting some art book or museum description, whose author had no clue about any of these techniques.) --Robin ___

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Chris Laning
Being the first to have the book handy and a few minutes to type. the very first sentence of Chapter 1 of THE classic reference, Santina Levey's _Lace: A History_, says: "During the two decades 1560 to 1580, lace became an increasingly important feature of fashionable dress in most European

Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something

2006-04-18 Thread Leah L Watts
> Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. > My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have >

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Dawn
Dawn wrote: Robin Netherton wrote: So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Carol Kocian wrote: > In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be > used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military > coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten > things. > > I know what you mean, though

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Marie Stewart
> No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me > enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Thanks... wow. > > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes >

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Carol Kocian
So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Robin Netherton
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put > holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, > embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by > forming a repetitive pattern that becomes t

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Marie Stewart
Hey there Robin... There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin lace

Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
Hi Robin, If you look in the archives, i have posted a coupple of times about the first written proof of bobbin lace. Dont remember the year and date for it. It was an italian letter and the lace worked on had 6 pairs of bobbins. Bjarne Original Message - From: "Robin Netherton" <[EMAIL

[h-cost] Quick lace question

2006-04-18 Thread Robin Netherton
I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) --Robin ___ h-costume mailing li

Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig...

2006-04-18 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
I have an antique hoop from family that I use and my skirts re about 3 panels. It fits just right. Proportion says it all! One of the problems I have with the 'new' patterns is that the bodice is usually for a modern fit and is too long for the proportions viewed in Godey's and Peterson's. The two

[h-cost] crescent shaped leather on 18th century stays

2006-04-18 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
One thing i also wonder about this, is why did Diderot not show this in his encyklopedia? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.

[h-cost] Tudor tailor

2006-04-18 Thread Bjarne og Leif Drews
I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are making this period. May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.t

Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Dig...

2006-04-18 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. *** 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard

Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337

2006-04-18 Thread Lloyd Mitchell
This has been my take on the subject too. Years ago when I first connected with the idea of historical costuming, I tended to use the yardages quoted in novels and inventories in trying to construct, say a mid nineteenth Century gown, which was often 10 yards. It wasn't until I had opportunity to

Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Di...

2006-04-18 Thread AlbertCat
In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:30:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. * Well, you get Juan's idea of what yardages sho

yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337

2006-04-18 Thread Susan B. Farmer
In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, though the men's things look pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They look costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because everything looks like it's

[h-cost] Bliaut

2006-04-18 Thread Deredere Galbraith
Here the picture of me while I am wearing it at the open air museum. And an other one with my friend. http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliautaf.jpg http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Benf.jpg Greetings, Deredere ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.in

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337

2006-04-18 Thread Debloughcostumes
In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And, though the men's things look > pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > look > costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > everything lo